Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!

Yondu is the first of many to fall leading into IW.

So for someone that can explain, I'm assuming Thor Ragnorok is going to be loosely tied here? Thought I saw Goldblum in the credits in a still photo?

And what is Stallones character in the comics?
 
BFIB said:
Yondu is the first of many to fall leading into IW.

So for someone that can explain, I'm assuming Thor Ragnorok is going to be loosely tied here? Thought I saw Goldblum in the credits in a still photo?

And what is Stallones character in the comics?
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Starhawk. Him, Yondu, and those other Ravager captains were among the original Guardians of the Galaxy teams from the comics.
 
BFIB said:
Yondu is the first of many to fall leading into IW.

So for someone that can explain, I'm assuming Thor Ragnorok is going to be loosely tied here? Thought I saw Goldblum in the credits in a still photo?

And what is Stallones character in the comics?
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Member of the OG Guardians of the frickin Galaxy
 
Subpar Spatula said:
Nebula is such a non-character that I'm surprised anyone knows her name. Her actions seem more rooted in her hated of her sister for excelling in her Father's eyes which makes sense since Gamora seems to be target #1. There's no insight, it's a poorly designed vehicle to make you hate Thanos and Ego but ends there.
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This is a really strange criticism of Nebula's characterisation and how child abuse feeds into it. You've correctly observed that since the first film Nebula has displayed a violent obsession with her sister that seems to stem from jealousy, but you fail to acknowledge how in this film the revelation of the pitted sibling conflict and abuse under Thanos' guidance re-contextualises that drive as an intense desire for Gamora to admit to her own culpability in their shared sibling experience. That added emotional complexity is the insight being derived from Nebula's story.

Within the wider context of the film it is an examination into the concept of parenthood and the influence that parents and mentors wield over those they're raising and their later development in life. You see this again reflected in Yondu's story where he expresses to Rocket how his parents ultimately discarded him into slavery or in Rocket's story where his creation was at the petty whims of scientists or again with Groot where his mistreatment at the hands of the mutinous Ravagers affects him so profoundly. All of which feeds back into the core themes of family that are both implicitly and explicitly expressed throughout the film.
Subpar Spatula said:
You could tell that theme was going to be exploited the moment a Ravager says, "we don't deal in kids": super psycho won't hurt kids so he's alright in our books. It's extreme wool over your eyes from that moment because it's an easy way to make you care just because of how loaded the subject is.
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Stallone's character, which you've lazily defined as a 'super psycho' in spite of the film revealing scant details into his actual nature beyond his commitment to 'the code', serves as a mentor figure to Yondu whose betrayal of said code disappointed him and forced him to cast him into exile. His association with Yondu serves to highlight the danger in the decision that Rocket makes at the beginning of the film as an omen for how his relationship with Peter and the rest of the Guardians could turn if he refuses to heed sound advice.

Anyway, this is just surface level observation.
 
Dalek said:
How bad ass was Gamora holding onto that cable Drax was attacked to when the ship was crashing?
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My second time seeing it, I was questioning why she was only just holding it. Keeping him tethered was no different than he free falling on impact. I was confused as to how he survived without a scratch actually lol.
 
Renpatsu said:
This is a really strange criticism of Nebula's characterisation and how child abuse feeds into it. You've correctly observed that since the first film Nebula has displayed a violent obsession with her sister that seems to stem from jealousy, but you fail to acknowledge how in this film the revelation of the pitted sibling conflict and abuse under Thanos' guidance re-contextualises that drive as an intense desire for Gamora to admit to her own culpability in their shared sibling experience. That added emotional complexity is the insight being derived from Nebula's story.
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Gamora leaving Thanos and her family is her admitting how terrible of a situation that is.
The entire thing feels a little off because from the moment you learn how innocent children are from a group of murderers, you get this gnawing feeling you're just being tricked into caring for something you're told to care for. We all know Thanos is a terrible person before but you still need that extra gut punch to hammer it in. Sibling rivalry, wanting a sister, yeah, it makes sense but it was never earned because of the trickery.

Renpatsu said:
Within the wider context of the film it is an examination into the concept of parenthood and the influence that parents and mentors wield over those they're raising and their later development in life. You see this again reflected in Yondu's story where he expresses to Rocket how his parents ultimately discarded him into slavery or in Rocket's story where his creation was at the petty whims of scientists or again with Groot where his mistreatment at the hands of the mutinous Ravagers affects him so profoundly. All of which feeds back into the core themes of family that are both implicitly and explicitly expressed throughout the film.
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I liked Yondu and Rocket's stuff because besides the whole "never deal in children", it was well done because it never forced you to care.

Renpatsu said:
Stallone's character, which you've lazily defined as a 'super psycho' in spite of the film revealing scant details into his actual nature beyond his commitment to 'the code', serves as a mentor figure to Yondu whose betrayal of said code disappointed him and forced him to cast him into exile. His association with Yondu serves to highlight the danger in the decision that Rocket makes at the beginning of the film as an omen for how his relationship with Peter and the rest of the Guardians could turn if he refuses to heed sound advice.

Anyway, this is just surface level observation.
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They're Ravagers: pirates, thieves, murderers, kidnappers, etc. BUT they don't harm children. It's a lazy trope that deserves ridicule. It's what undermines some of the core themes of the movie because a seed is implanted the moment Stallone says the line. It helps you believe some pretty shitty people are good people.
 
MoonsaultSlayer said:
My second time seeing it, I was questioning why she was only just holding it. Keeping him tethered was no different than he free falling on impact. I was confused as to how he survived without a scratch actually lol.
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What is Drax's powers again? I forget in the midst of all his literal misinterpretations.
 
MoonsaultSlayer said:
My second time seeing it, I was questioning why she was only just holding it. Keeping him tethered was no different than he free falling on impact. I was confused as to how he survived without a scratch actually lol.
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I wondered that too because as the ship was pretty low to the ground he would have literally been body skiing on the ground. I'd have rather just been let go and take my chances than being dragged at sonic speeds for a mile or two.
 
Fascinating reading some of the comments in this thread. All the things people disliked about this movie are the things I loved.

Watching Guardians 1 right now. The fact that no-name-blue-generic-bad-guy is the villian makes Vol 1 infinitely worse than 2.

Vol. 2 gives the characters room to breathe
 
killertofu said:
Fascinating reading some of the comments in this thread. All the things people disliked about this movie are the things I loved.

Watching Guardians 1 right now. The fact that no-name-blue-generic-bad-guy is the villian makes Vol 1 infinitely worse than 2.

Vol. 2 gives the characters room to breathe
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This is what I agree with. This movie expands and goes deeper with some of the characters.
 
I liked how they all without a second thought looked after "the baby" like a family or village would. One person picking him up or passing him off. Great stuff.

How they all cared for Groot really drove home the family angle for me.

He was everyone's baby.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I liked how they all without a second thought looked after "the baby" like a family or village would. One person picking him up or passing him off. Great stuff.

How they all cared for Groot really drove home the family angle for me.
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Gamora being worried about his safety during the first battle and then taking the time to indulge him by waving back was very heartwarming.
 
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