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[Shin]

I really hate how environment in this game look so crap, like what's going on?
It's bland, the trees look 2D like, isn't there a point where you stop pumping more pixels into the cars and work on everything else?

Not crapping on the game, just to me the whole picture makes for a better experience instead of just pretty cars.

 

[chinoXL]

Look at the other gif and you'll see why it is. That comparison you quoted doesn't represent even the beta very well.

DAMN off that gif how could anyone not give credit to Sport..i didn't expect to see that much of a difference, looks dope!!

 

[BigEmil]

So GT going for photo realism and not gamey looking is what he said?

 

[Gestault]

So GT going for photo realism and not gamey looking is what he said?

I think it was more a comment of the series' goal of realism over flash, partly in reference to the track design and accuracy. Not necessarily that GTS was a departure from GT6 in that way.

 

[PdotMichael]

It definitely is a generational leap.


That said, it just goes to show how impressive the work with Driveclub and Forza/Horizon was.


All 3 of those titles, regardless of differences in simulation goals, look much better than GT at this point. Much better.

Forza doesn't look better. Either you a troll or just, well, a troll.

 

[ethomaz]

All 3 of those titles, regardless of differences in simulation goals, look much better than GT at this point. Much better.

From the Beta GTS looks better than DriveClub and I started both one after other to confirm.

So I disagree.

GTS is unbelievable impressive for a game.

 

[ethomaz]

Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with the comment in the video that GT6 is better played in the 720p display mode. The game looked and played pretty well on my 4K TV. I was playing it right up till I got my Pro.

It has better framerate in 720p mode that is why it is better played... the 1080p mode (around 1600x1080) has franerate issues.

 

[cakely]

Well at least this stops idiots from saying it looks like a PS2-tier game. One would hope anyways.

edit: gosh dang it

Amazing quality right there.

That picture makes it look like both those games are from PS2 era.

That particular brand of idiot is actually unstoppable.

 

[ethomaz]

I'd argue PCars is a step above all of them. PCars 2 is also taking things up a notch:

https://youtu.be/hXKtYrnmfuA

It's a great time for racing games overall.

PCARs is the least impressive racing game this generation... the graphics on consoles are sub par.

It shines a bit on PC powerhouses.

 

[Curufinwe]

Is it likely that GT Sport gets up around 10 million units sold with the amount of PS4s that are out there, particularly in Europe?

 

[Patrick S.]

That battlefield 4 thread at these new consoles launch will go down in gaf legend for the pop effect haha.

I'd love to read that, what is that thread called?

 

[R_thanatos]

This will probably sound snobby, but, those of us who put a ton of time into both GT5 and 6 will absolutely notice the significant improvements between those two and Sport, but, fly-by viewers probably won't. I dread the comments section, already.

i feel the same really

 

[BigEmil]

I'd love to read that, what is that thread called?

I believe it's these 2 threads:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961&page=1

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=724402&page=1

 

[Patrick S.]

I believe it's these 2 threads:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961&page=1

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=724402&page=1

Thank you, sir!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

GT always looks incredible. I'm more interested in a generational leap in AI, physics, and sound. The beta has been lacking in all three areas unfortunately. And I'm not able to play racing games just because they look purty anymore, not since WDC on N64

Hopefully the final release is better. Only racer I have bought this gen is Driveclu and while pretty to look at, gameplay was rather meh. I am hoping for huge things this year from GT and Forza 2017 on Scorpio.

 

[Omotesando]

no screentearing makes it such a big leap for the series. This is the smoothest GT, making it by far the biggest improvement in the series yet.

 

[Sad Affleck]

It isn't the sort of leap I would expect out of a new generation. It just isn't. This is the second time I've disagreed completely with the conclusion of a Digital Foundry video, the first was when DF said that the final version of Watch Dogs matched the game's E3 reveal, a truly absurd claim.

 

[Unknown?]

Neo, I don't wanna be too harsh, but that particular gif is one of the least-representative and least useful comparisons for the two games, unless it's just to show that some tracks are done at different times of day.

I know it's different times of day and not the best representation but much better than that other pic. It's really hard to compare in pics with different times of day and such however anyone who has played the beta and GT6 know how much it's improved. Willow Springs has clearly has way better textures, desert plants, anti aliasing, lighting, and just way more stuff in general going on in it. The time difference really doesn't prevent you from seeing those details.

Of course it's no surprise DF doesn't do a good job explaining and showing the difference. They need to up their game, lately they've been lazy on their comparisons and even facts in general.

 

[orava]

Looks like difference between low and high settings.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Are you sure about that?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfRbKvl-w8E

Holy shit, that's night and day - PCars, looks pretty awful in comparison. Also, GT Sports has a much meatier sound for me.

 

[Unknown?]

Holy shit, that's night and day - PCars, looks pretty awful in comparison. Also, GT Sports has a much meatier sound for me.

I always thought PCars had terrible sound. Your car sounds beefy but artificially enhanced and fake. Also, yeah Willow Springs in PCars is ugly. I even prefer the GT6 version.

 

[Gurish]

Is it likely that GT Sport gets up around 10 million units sold with the amount of PS4s that are out there, particularly in Europe?

Don't think it has the same brand power, maybe if it was a full sequel and was branded as GT7 than maybe it could have a chance, but Sport? no way.

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

Where is Wax Vanilla at spreading his "uprezzed gt6" lies?

 

[Always-honest]

This is the comparison to show that there truly is a generational leap??

No that's what we at Neogaf calls a useless compressed youtube turd.

I'm not impressed with GT Sport, but it's clearly an improvement in a lot of ways from GT6.

Now, if you just look at a compressed youtube screen and judge from that, maybe Gaf won't take you all that seriously.

 

[BigEmil]

Is it likely that GT Sport gets up around 10 million units sold with the amount of PS4s that are out there, particularly in Europe?

With Project Cars 2, Dirt 4, The Crew 2, NFS 2 this year, GT Sport I'll pick it up later

 

[Unknown?]

Don't think it has the same brand power, maybe if it was a full sequel and was branded as GT7 than maybe it could have a chance, but Sport? no way.

People said the same thing about GT5. I remember it opening to 700k in NPD and all the doom spread not realizing that GT has always been a game that sells over time. Now it's at 3M in North America. Most of GT3's 14.7M came from when it was $20 greatest hits. GT Sport will do way better than GT6 at 5million for sure.

Most recently we had the same convos about Final Fantasy and that hit it out of the park.

 

[Curufinwe]

Don't think it has the same brand power, maybe if it was a full sequel and was branded as GT7 than maybe it could have a chance, but Sport? no way.

The lack of a number could hurt. Maybe they drop the Sport and add a 7 at E3?

 

[soundscream]

Still wisb they would focus on getting that 60fps locked up.

 

[Maintenance]

Is it likely that GT Sport gets up around 10 million units sold with the amount of PS4s that are out there, particularly in Europe?

Maybe, I'm thinking 8-9m myself.

 

[shandy706]

This will probably sound snobby, but, those of us who put a ton of time into both GT5 and 6 will absolutely notice the significant improvements between those two and Sport, but, fly-by viewers probably won't. I dread the comments section, already.

Nah, even those that haven't played them should easily be able to see the improvements. Sport is certainly a significant jump if they just watch a side-by-side.

The hard part is being impressed if you played recent racers other than GT5/6. This comes from the high expectations of many, who expect PD to squeeze blood from the hardware. I'd still say the way PD lights vehicles in GT:S should be an instant eye catcher though.

 

[Fiber]

The question itself makes me think if there is a real leap.

 

[funkystudent]

It's a leap but GT6 looked pretty rough most tracks.


I feel like the most noticeable changes for sport are stuff they done on ps3. Like the grass. GT5.6 grass was basically the same misc green texture every track. In Sport they tried a bit more to add small dirt patches and change the colour tone a bit to be less copy pastey

It's a small art thing that Forza did a better job at that really helps the look of the game.

 

[nowheretorun]

From what I can see in my humble opinion is;

- No visual damage akin to the talk they said GT5 would have (To It's Last Nut & Bolt...)

- Not much improved Ai, if any, but then maybe not important as online focussed, but still...

- No massively improved trackside interaction at all making the game still seem sterile as but the particles of dust and gravel look nice.

- No improvement what so ever on car collision physics but instead we've got ghosts disappearing...

- It has taken a long time to come out into the PS4's lifecycle.

- It's on much more powerful hardware.

- There is no dynamic time of day (maybe even weather).

- It's a much smaller game in terms of content compared to previous GT's.

- Still lacking options such as adjusting cockpit views, shaking amongst other things etc. what other racers are doing.

- Still have 2D trees (I'm ok with this and understand the reasoning as long as it's no so bad and out of place but from what I've heard, this is not maybe the case).

- I've also seen quite a bit of pop-in (especially pop-out lol in the rear mirror) but maybe this will improve upon release.

- We do however, have improved resolution, framerate & lighting (HDR being somewhat a hardware to do with TV's - what if I don't have a 4K tv or one with HDR as I'm pretty sure DF will?).


Is this really a generation leap because I'm not really feeling it? I only have a 1080p PJ too so I'm not gonna see any HDR unless I pony up @ £1400 to get an equivalent 65" 4K TV.

Why is this so hard for others to understand why 'some' don't get the generation leap?

 

[BigEmil]

From what I can see in my humble opinion is;

- No visual damage akin to the talk they said GT5 would have (To It's Last Nut & Bolt...)

- Not much improved Ai, if any, but then maybe not important as online focussed, but still...

- No massively improved trackside interaction at all making the game still seem sterile as but the particles of dust and gravel look nice.

- No improvement what so ever on car collision physics but instead we've got ghosts disappearing...

- It has taken a long time to come out into the PS4's lifecycle.

- It's on much more powerful hardware.

- There is no dynamic time of day (maybe even weather).

- It's a much smaller game in terms of content compared to previous GT's.

- Still lacking options such as adjusting cockpit views, shaking amongst other things etc. what other racers are doing.

- Still have 2D trees (I'm ok with this and understand the reasoning as long as it's no so bad and out of place but from what I've heard, this is not maybe the case).

- I've also seen quite a bit of pop-in (especially pop-out lol in the rear mirror) but maybe this will improve upon release.

- We do however, have improved resolution, framerate & lighting (HDR being somewhat a hardware to do with TV's - what if I don't have a 4K tv or one with HDR as I'm pretty sure DF will?).


Is this really a generation leap because I'm not really feeling it? I only have a 1080p PJ too so I'm not gonna see any HDR unless I pony up @ £1400 to get an equivalent 65" 4K TV.

Why is this so hard for others to understand why 'some' don't get the generation leap?

For me I just don't like that there's no proper campaign like the previous GT's. This make it from a day one buy to a year later buy. Plenty of other racers this year anyway

 

[Horp]

From what I can see in my humble opinion is;

- No visual damage akin to the talk they said GT5 would have (To It's Last Nut & Bolt...)

- Not much improved Ai, if any, but then maybe not important as online focussed, but still...

- No massively improved trackside interaction at all making the game still seem sterile as but the particles of dust and gravel look nice.

- No improvement what so ever on car collision physics but instead we've got ghosts disappearing...

- It has taken a long time to come out into the PS4's lifecycle.

- It's on much more powerful hardware.

- There is no dynamic time of day (maybe even weather).

- It's a much smaller game in terms of content compared to previous GT's.

- Still lacking options such as adjusting cockpit views, shaking amongst other things etc. what other racers are doing.

- Still have 2D trees (I'm ok with this and understand the reasoning as long as it's no so bad and out of place but from what I've heard, this is not maybe the case).

- I've also seen quite a bit of pop-in (especially pop-out lol in the rear mirror) but maybe this will improve upon release.

- We do however, have improved resolution, framerate & lighting (HDR being somewhat a hardware to do with TV's - what if I don't have a 4K tv or one with HDR as I'm pretty sure DF will?).


Is this really a generation leap because I'm not really feeling it? I only have a 1080p PJ too so I'm not gonna see any HDR unless I pony up @ £1400 to get an equivalent 65" 4K TV.

Why is this so hard for others to understand why 'some' don't get the generation leap?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[cooldawn]

DF did it again. Well done.

Well done what?

Well done they didn't bother syncing time of day on Brands Hatch?

Well done they couldn't be arsed to pick the same manufacturer, nigh-on same car, in Gran Turismo 6 (yes, it too has a Subaru saloon, nearly same spec)!

or

Well done because they say Gran Turismo Sport's version of the Nordschleife has cars, people and tents around the circuit so it's more detailed than Gran Turismo 6's version...well guess what, so it does in Gran Turismo 6 too...on the full-on F1 GP Nordschleife version to boot with the addition of dynamic weather and night and day.

Also why did they pick Gran Turismo 6? Gran Turismo 5 is much better, especially visually but also performance in 720p mode.

Digital Foundry's Gran Turismo content, for the most part, has been rubbish. And here we are again. It's still rubbish. They haven't got a clue about Gran Turismo.

 

[Aceofspades]

Is it likely that GT Sport gets up around 10 million units sold with the amount of PS4s that are out there, particularly in Europe?

It will definitely do +5m LTD, I even think it will outsell Forza Horizon LTD sales in the first month (2.5m)

 

[greekappi]

Sorry if this is already known but I haven't seen a release date for this. Anyone know when it comes out?

 

[coiler]

Yes its a leap, but not a leap above competition- more like catching up.

 

[Gestault]

Sorry if this is already known but I haven't seen a release date for this. Anyone know when it comes out?

We've heard this year, but nothing specific except for placeholder dates of Dec 30. It was originally a 2016 title, but was pushed back for more additions.

 

[R_thanatos]

Well done what?

Well done they didn't bother syncing time of day on Brands Hatch?

Well done they couldn't be arsed to pick the same manufacturer, nigh-on same car, in Gran Turismo 6 (yes, it too has a Subaru saloon, nearly same spec)!

or

Well done because they say Gran Turismo Sport's version of the Nordschleife has cars, people and tents around the circuit so it's more detailed than Gran Turismo 6's version...well guess what, so it does in Gran Turismo 6 too...on the full-on F1 GP Nordschleife version to boot with the addition of dynamic weather and night and day.

Also why did they pick Gran Turismo 6? Gran Turismo 5 is much better, especially visually but also performance in 720p mode.

Digital Foundry's Gran Turismo content, for the most part, has been rubbish. And here we are again. It's still rubbish. They haven't got a clue about Gran Turismo.

Why should they have picked GT5 ?

GT6 is their last release. The point of the vid is to show the differences.
Also on performance they do mention 720p but they clearly say that they picked 1080p as a way to show the differences. ( on performance )

Also the subject of comparaison is not the car but how the light and the effects are affected by ( or on ) the car. So unless that other car has an entire light model applied to it , that complain isn't really fair really

 

[greekappi]

We've heard this year, but nothing specific except for placeholder dates of Dec 30. It was originally a 2016 title, but was pushed back for more additions.

So it's fair to assume that more graphical improvements may be made, including the inclusion (yep, that's my word choice and I'm sticking to it) of down sampling higher resolutions to 1080p, one of DF's chief complaints.

I love Grand Turismo and Forza alike, but I feel GT is a bit more gritty and authentic in some regards and I'm looking forward to this addition. I'm still playing GT6 and very much enjoy it! Now if I could only get some friends to help me go through Horizon 3 online via co-op...

 

[Snkfanatic]

Amazing quality right there.

That picture makes it look like both those games are from PS2 era.

Holy hell I want whatever PS2 you were playing on back in the day. Or whatever you are smoking to make that comparison.

 

[Gestault]

So it's fair to assume that more graphical improvements may be made, including the inclusion (yep, that's my word choice and I'm sticking to it) of down sampling higher resolutions to 1080p, one of DF's chief complaints.

I love Grand Turismo and Forza alike, but I feel GT is a bit more gritty and authentic in some regards and I'm looking forward to this addition. I'm still playing GT6 and very much enjoy it! Now if I could only get some friends to help me go through Horizon 3 online via co-op...

There's no way some of the assets in these are final, so I'm not particularly worried. The real value of the beta has been networking and stress-testing.

 

[Noobcraft]

Can't watch the video (at work) but of course it's a generational leap. It has flaws in its graphical presentation like every other game (especially racers) but it looks way better than the PS3 equivalent in the vast majority of situations.

 

[Insane Metal]

GT's issues nowadays aren't its graphics. It's the fluctuating framerate and the lame sound.

 

[vio]

It`s racing game that give priority to cars over environments. Simple as that. Same category as Forza, PCars, AC. Also, sport tracks are not terribly exciting visually.

 

[eso76]

Yes, it's quite obvious.

As usual with GT, you can't really appreciate what it does during typical gameplay though.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Well at least this stops idiots from saying it looks like a PS2-tier game. One would hope anyways.

edit: gosh dang it

The PS2 comparisons are hyperbolic but the visuals of GTS are very disappointing

 

[TheSpecialOne]

I'd argue PCars is a step above all of them. PCars 2 is also taking things up a notch:

https://youtu.be/hXKtYrnmfuA

It's a great time for racing games overall.

I needed a good laugh. Project cars is by far the worst looking racing game of the lot.