Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School
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Holundrian
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I guess there are people that really defend anything.... jesus how mentally fucked up do you have to be to make that case for her.....
You believe in rehabilitation fine. She doesn't need to be around other peoples children to reintegrate dozen of other more sensible choices out there. Like srsly how is that the fucking debate. Also that school is fucked up and if this was my child I'd withdraw it myself if nothing would to be done. Rehabilitated or not since you can never know a 100% it's the type of thing I would never dare to put good faith on.
You believe in rehabilitation fine. She doesn't need to be around other peoples children to reintegrate dozen of other more sensible choices out there. Like srsly how is that the fucking debate. Also that school is fucked up and if this was my child I'd withdraw it myself if nothing would to be done. Rehabilitated or not since you can never know a 100% it's the type of thing I would never dare to put good faith on.
We reserve the right to exclude any parent from the classroom if he or she is a danger to students in the United States.
Like if a parent wanted to wring the neck of a kid who had just beaten up his or her child.
I think murdering people would qualify.
Galactic Barret
Member
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They used to burn women like that at the stake. It should have been revived just for her.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
This is a bad example to take this stance on.
Yes but this is a private institution in Canada and I vaguely recall Canada having positions for released felons "who have paid their debt to society." It's a good law, but this is probably the .001% exception for it.
She's a white woman. No matter how badly a white woman fucks up or does something evil, there will always be a defense force for her.
They are. This is one of the most infamous trials in Canadian history.
The Silver
Member
I wouldn't mind if The Punisher was real for this person, goddamn the justice system failed so hard, a unrepentant serial killer out on the loose and nothing they can do about......WHAT THE FUCK.
I don't know why we're having some debate about an tangential issue like the rehabilitative aim of the justice system here when the school has the discretion to allow or not allow whoever they want to volunteer.
The justice system has nothing to do with this and whether or not she should be in jail have little to do with this.
The justice system has nothing to do with this and whether or not she should be in jail have little to do with this.
This whole thing is fucked but this bit makes me see red. You not only invite a fucking monster into your school to teach knitting but when called out on it you actually defend the monster. Bunch of absolute cunts.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Shit, not only did Karla rub a rose on Paul's dick to put on her dead teenage sister's grave....they put an invitation to their wedding in her coffin. After they raped and killed her.
And some Gaffers are pissed at us, for not wanting her around children! A defense force for everything!
And some Gaffers are pissed at us, for not wanting her around children! A defense force for everything!
I agree with you but don't you think the 4+ posts you've made into the blue complaining about the defense force without even replying to anyone is enough for now
FrankCanada97
Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
This is the thing that doesn't make any sense to me. How can the staff at the school hire this murderer, and not think that things are going to be business as usual? And not only that, they double down when called out? Do they not see the optics of this? How does this benefit them in anyway at all?
Kinitari, I like you as a poster. Despite how some may feel in this thread, I don't think you're a troll. Rather, I think most times you try to make reasoned responses to complex issues rather than a one line response. If more people made posts like some of yours, I think GAF would be a better place. Not that there's not a time or place for hot takes and arguments from emotion, because there certainly should be. However, I think the ratio is unfortunately very skewed.
That said, I disagree with pretty much everything you have posted in this thread. You say that prisons are meant to be rehabilitative, which is true. However, that is not the only purpose of prison. There are people who's crimes are so severe that they either cannot be rehabilitated or the risk of releasing them rehabilitated into society is too great. Prisons are the way we keep these people away from society for the rest of their lives. This is done not out of a sense of justice, but to keep the public safe. I think Karla Homolka fits both of those categories. Certainly she fits the second one.
You're coming at this from the viewpoint of whether or not she has made progress in rehabilitation when the fact is rehabilitation will probably not work on someone like this. Something is just too far gone in their brains to feel empathy for others, and that's not something you can rehabilitate.
Now that prison is not an option, she should have her kids taken away from her. If she kidnapped and took part in the raping of her own sister, there is no familial tie that will keep those kids safe. Nor is being raised by a convicted serial killer/rapist good for a child's psyche. Indeed, spending their entire life in a foster home is probably better than growing up around her. So no, I don't think she should be able to volunteer at her kids school, because I don't even think she should be near children.
Here's what scares the shit out of me. What truly keeps me up at night is that we'll hear on the news that one of her kids ends up face down in the gutter after being drugged and raped brutally. The chance of that alone is enough to restrict her from being near her children ever again.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
No you don't. You call out the people calling out the defense of the incestuous pedophile rapist serial killer working with children. You are angry at them, being called out. Shit if I get permed here it'll be for the good cause.
Karla Homolka defense force is disgusting. More emotion at other Gaffers arguing with them, than for the dead girls. Or the living girls having to live with her around.
You are the defense force for the pedophile serial rapist murderer. You people are fucking twisted. And I have 3 posts on this page, one of which is a reply. The pedophile killer defense force can't even lie right.
Impeccable
Member
Not only that but like, even if there was someone actually defending - not just implied based on trying to talk about rehabilitation - a "force" to me would be a large amount of people. I understand being heated and passionate about something emotionally charged but it just doesn't look good to paint people as supporters of Karla just because not everyone is riled up as you.
This is why people are saying you're lashing out. That's not an attack on you for reasonably being furious at this horrible situation, just an observation. The last two people who said you're heated said they agree with you on Karla being a monster who shouldn't be near children and then you said those two were defending her.
I get it, this is an extremely disturbing situation borne out of a miscarriage of justice which is why no one is defending her. Even Kinitari was just being too clinical and focused on the abstract idea of rehabilitation instead of this specific case. Which is frustrating for sure, but not defending what she did.
edit: Seriously don't get banned for this. Take a break.
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The Everyman
dude, really?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I'll get perma. Whatever. The Homolka defense force will win. The serial killer of young girls will get to work with young girls and they'll high five. The lives she took don't matter.
Rehabilitation really only comes in as a principle when we think they are rehabilitated or making progress, and I don't really think anyone is under the illusion that happened in this case.
Well, I mean your posts made in the abstract about the supposed Karla defence force without quoting any of those posts probably outnumber the number of actual posts in this thread suggesting posters are comfortable with her working with children. The point is to discuss when they do come up instead of continuing to scream into the ether about them pages later
You're creating a strawman and attacking it. There is no Homolka defense force, not even Kinitari. At worst, he's making an argument from the abstract, despite it clearly not applying to the case.
It's good to get emotional on stuff like this, but it's good to take a breath every once in a while. Sometimes posters on NeoGAF get me so wound up I have to take a breather for a day (or several). Sometimes I take an unwanted month long vacation from GAF so I can really cool off : p If you think they're in the wrong in a way that violates the TOS contact a mod. Otherwise, take a walk and relax, so you can argue even better against dumb posts when you get back.
Seriously, your first post in response to Kinitari helped solidify my opinion about his wrongness on this issue. So thank you : )
There's not even really a defense force for Karla Homolka in this thread. And yes, I'm including Kinitari in this though I don't agree with his points.
Dude Abides
Banned
Why was she offered such a ridiculous plea deal? Did they really think it would be hard to convict her of rape and murder or being an accomplice to rape and murder?
Also, rehabilitation is great, but there's also value in sending a message that some crimes are so heinous you forfeit your freedom for life, even if you turn into an angel in prison.
Also, rehabilitation is great, but there's also value in sending a message that some crimes are so heinous you forfeit your freedom for life, even if you turn into an angel in prison.
Iirc she was offered the plea deal because she knew the location of the tapes, and they assumed she was forced into by Paul so it would be a net gain in getting him convicted cleanly. After she accepted the deal and the tapes were produced it became apparent that she was an active participant. Sad, but hindsight is 20/20 with that.
She was given a plea to secure the case against Paul, before they had full evidence of the extent of her crimes. Once it was uncovered, she was already tried and convicted. It was crazy fucked up, but double jeopardy is a bitch at times (though ultimately a good thing in 99% of cases).
No, it's because at the time, all the prosecution had to go on Bernardo hinged on Homolka's testimony. The tapes were not yet discovered and the Crown believed that in order to maintain Homolka's credibility as a witness, they needed to paint her as a reluctant accomplice who had been a victim of his abuse.
At the time, the police were more focused on Paul Bernardo (he's also the Scarborough Rapist, with several rapes or attempted rapes). She played the victim, got a deal and testified against him. It was only after the deal was made that the snuff tapes were found and it was clear that she was an equal participant in the killings and rapes of her sister, Mahaffy, and French.
I heard some details from my history teacher in high school that some tapes were hidden within the walls or foundation in their house and investigators could not locate them. They gave her the deal in order to locate them and to make it easier for them to convict Paul Bernado. Unfortunately investigators realized while reviewing the tapes later that they were duped and it was too late to turn down the plea bargain. I could be wrong on the specifics though.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Seriously. It's really bizarre. Kintari's all "I'm open for a conversation", uh, about what exactly? There's no debate to be had that she shouldn't be around kids.
Dude calm the fuck down. Even if Kintari is making a really dumb argument he's not "a defense force" and he's the only one saying dumb stuff, he's not a "defense force". But right now you're calling everyone who tells you to calm down a "defense force", you're not behaving rationally.
Dude Abides
Banned
Ok thanks guys. Sounds like a mistake but explicable.
Were her kids born before or after she was released. You'd think they'd get her kids out of her custody as double jeopardy wouldn't be an issue there (at least not in America).
Were her kids born before or after she was released. You'd think they'd get her kids out of her custody as double jeopardy wouldn't be an issue there (at least not in America).
This is where it gets really weird, is that the school DOES have the right to discriminate in this particular case, and is choosing not to.
In the Canadian legal system, they have certain types of jobs that involving working with what the law describes as "vulnerable sectors." These usually include demographics like the elderly or children.
Under Canadian law, anyone that is going to work or volunteer in a vulnerable sector must be subject to a background check. If that background check drags up a criminal conviction relevant to the vulnerable sector, such as theft or murder of the elderly, or a sexual offense like child molesting, that's a red flag that automatically gets called out on the check.
Even if the person has paid their dues and gotten that charge pardoned, if they try to work in those vulnerable sectors, that background check will STILL come up a red flag, though if they work in any other areas and a check is conducted, they'll come up clean.
So as far as I can tell, this school simply decided to ignore that, and let her volunteer there anyway. Especially since they didn't need to conduct a check at all, since they'd know who she is. That's the most puzzling part of all of this to me.
She had her kids after she was released.
Yeah that's what I understand about it as well. Terrible loophole that once the new information/evidence was found it couldn't change her plea deal.
After she was released. She remarried.
She had kids after she got out of prison, with her second husband. It raises the question of how to keep her away from kids she had after she got out, but I think this is such an extreme case Canadian Child Protective Services could step in. Maybe there isn't any way though.
The whole thing is fucked in so many different ways : /
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
As I can't read minds, I can't tell you.
She could have not told him, she did change her name after all.
Of course, he had to find out eventually and maybe then he was too in love.
I find it extremely hard to believe he didn't know. Even if he didn't find out until later, he has to be extremely deluded not only stay with her but have kids considering what she did to even her own sister.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
Who's in charge of the school and the hiring of this woman? Heaven forbid if anything were to happen it's going to be on them for allowing it.
Definitely, but people do crazy (stupid) things when they're in love.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Okay, now I'M pissed.
Try reading the fucking thread before claiming the poster is making shit up.
Her first was born child after her release and before she moved to the Caribbean for a short time. I do not believe she should be allowed near children, given her history, but she has indeed done her time, so there isn't much that can be legally done about it. Now, that the school is actively going after parents complaining about it, THAT is crazypants. Like, they have to know this is going to come back on them eventually, right?
Also, I am honestly surprised, that despite the relatively low profile she's kept in the last 12 years, no one has actually tried to take out vigilante justice on her. I don't believe that should happen, nor would I want it, but I am surprised.
Apparently the guy who married Karla Homolka was actually the brother of her lawyer. So yeaaaaaah, that's not weird n' creepy at all...
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