FFS. can he not imagine how many more people would have died if they had guns?!
Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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FFS. can he not imagine how many more people would have died if they had guns?!
The Hamburglar
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the problem with that is. people are getting sick and tired of these attacks and people responding with the usually bullshit of moving on, changing their facebook to a picture of a flag or pray for .... and more recently a bee tattoo.
I'm _sure_ they wouldn't have wrecked more havoc with an AR each instead of knives you inexusable puss of man.
Daffy Duck
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Indeed, so much for we must not let them change our way of life.
Pankratous
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On vacation and with limited net access and just catching up with this, haven't seen the thread since like page 3.
Was it just the London bridge that was attacked? I'm seeing that there was stabbings too. Disgusting.
Was it just the London bridge that was attacked? I'm seeing that there was stabbings too. Disgusting.
TheLostBigBoss
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I like how he thinks pointing out the lack of guns in these type of attacks is a plus against the argument of gun control
When we have already seen these type of attacks have a far less kill count when you remove guns from the equation. Knives are brutal, but you are far more likely to survive a knife attack than someone being armed with a fucking kalashnikov who can fire five rounds into your chest within a matter of a seconds, while they are 10 yards away.
When we have already seen these type of attacks have a far less kill count when you remove guns from the equation. Knives are brutal, but you are far more likely to survive a knife attack than someone being armed with a fucking kalashnikov who can fire five rounds into your chest within a matter of a seconds, while they are 10 yards away.
Dude is a twat but piers morgan replied with
When piers makes u look a div u fucked up
Nobody really wants to talk about this anywhere, even in London. So I guess we're just going to have an endless supply of angry, frustrated young men who are easily manipulated by foreign terrorist groups.
Westminster attack was an old guy.
Everyone will have access even police, you don't want that. Removing encryption everything and everyone will be exposed,exploited..all the information can be used against you since they will be watching you but also exploit your information to sources you may never know what will happen. Maybe ID Theft or someone being you and you being arrested for it.
Like i said earlier in the thread, removing encryption or regulating the internet is towards a regime and even worse dictatorship. Your freedom will be gone, meaning you can't be you anymore. Everything you say or do can be used against you and they have all the evidence and you can't defend your self because they have everything.
And that is scary....
What May is saying about regulating the internet is nearly Turkey like now a regime where you the basic citizen the normal human being will be targeted.
JonnyDBrit
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And Borough Market nearby. The incident first reported in Vauxhall was an unrelated stabbing.
Yeah, you at least have better odds of heing able to run away from a knife. People like these resort to knives and a van because they can't easily get their hands on anything more substantial.
Daffy Duck
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Did Saddiq Khan really say there is no need to be alarmed?
What do you think?
We've never had such an open society as we have right now. It's taken a long time to get to the point that we have, so regressing backwards by stripping away liberty and freedom is simply not an option. We must move forward.
If we regress backwards, we do exactly what the terrorists want, and so they'll keep attacking even more and frequent as it would be actually working. We can never let that happen. By standing united, we show these terrorists that all their efforts to destroy us are all in vain.
Daffy Duck
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I really don't know...sad times I know.
I don't know, but it's a thing a rational leader would say in this occasion. Not adding more panic.
We have a clear analogue with the use of guns. During the Paris 2015 attack, two to three gunmen shot cafe goers and killed 39 people, then they all got away. These three knife wielders so far killed approximately 4(?) people and all died in the process. Yeah I'll take my chances with a gun ban.
By the way what happened with the perp someone saw arrested and carried into an ambulance? Was it actually a victim or did a defibrillator accidentally fatally shocked him to death?
By the way what happened with the perp someone saw arrested and carried into an ambulance? Was it actually a victim or did a defibrillator accidentally fatally shocked him to death?
Getting fed up with people like you that label the left a hive mind
The head of British counter-terrorism said there is no reason to overact. There's a reason the saggy orange ballsack didn't call him out though and chose Khan instead.
He said basically what the prime minister said. Terrorists hate democracy. And that we have to defy them and that the election should go ahead on Thursday.
No idea why he is getting attacked, May pretty much said the same thing as well.
Vigilant Walrus
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This style of terrorism is bait.
The objective is for the local population to start giving the cold shoulder, be mistrusting and mistreating the muslim populations.
The objective is to crease dissent, racial tensions, racial profiling, fear and instability.
The objective is to make the western countries so afraid of these micro-targeted attacks that they will spend a lot of resources and money on going into a less free society that removes freedom, protections, personal soverignity and privacy.
The objective is for the west to give up their way of life because they are afraid.
The objective is to use the anger of muslims being discriminated against as a tool for recruiting them, and thus creating a more powerful force to fight against the west.
It worked beautiful for Al-Qaeda after 9/11. Not only did the US immediately afterwards create unlawful and damaging loopholes which allowed them to declare war on groups over murky grounds.
It also made the US so irrational that it created organizations like the TSA, and increased NSA surveillance as a means to keep people safe.
But that is not a rational response. While people are afraid that the muslims are coming to attack them, they are way more likely to die by drunk driving, by gun, by cheese burger related lifestyle choices.
But the media glorifies the spectacular of the attacks, and it becomes nearly impossible for the populace to look away.
If their objective is to make us afraid and make us give up our way of life, why are we taking the bait? We all know how this is going to go. Punching them down with force through invasion and bombings further helps their cause.
This style of guerilla attacks on a powerful state has always existed. Creating terror and dissent from a small splinter force has literally been the go-to strategy for thousands and thousands of years.
You cannot avoid that. Just like you cannot prevent the 5-6 people who die on horrible traffic accidents every day on the roads in England. But nobody is proposing that we pour gasoline on every car and go back to horse wagons. We accept the deaths on the roads. We have to accept the terror. Turning on the muslim populations of going through misguided invasions is not the answer.
They want us to turn on each other, and we're not going to be afraid or give them the satisfaction. I'd rather do the opposite: I'm going to do my part to be as inclusive as I possible can, and trying to educate myself over the many many many hundreds of millions of muslims who live everywhere around the world who are many many degrees of separation removed from saudi style rhetoric.
Our major problem that terrorism are taking advantage of is that compared to say 200 years ago, we're all on average, in the western world much more removed from death.
Ironically, as we live longer, are safer and more protected than anybody has ever been in the history of the world, death becomes a more abstract and scarier proposition. Hundreds of years ago it was normal that several of your kids would die before age 5. It was normal. It was normal to die by age 45-50.
Death was all around people, all the time. People perished quickly and easily. We are so safe and protected now, that we risk having fanatical responses when there is a prospect of death. Of course people have a built-in response to fear death, and always have been. EDIT: I'm not saying that people in the past were fearless. I'm saying that now more than ever, we have the least reason to be afraid of death. So the idea that we are more afraid than ever because death is so removed from us, is a paradoxical conundrum.
But this prospect is not logical. Frequent terror attacks feel frequent, dangerous and like the world is more unsafe because of terror specifically, but every single day, people die by crime, stabbing, and in other non-reported horrible ways that are just as terrible and horrifying. But you don't have a response to this of fear and anger in the same way as these terror attacks, because of the way they are being reported.
The reporting is sensationalized and as a result, the anger and need for retribution among the populace also becomes sensationalized.
the intelligence agencies will hunt these people down. sleeper cells are hunting them down every day, all over Europe. Most of our countries central intellgence agencies are working together, and lots of people have been sent to prison from behind the scenes. NOBODY is saying we shouldn't do anything.
But we shouldn't give them what they want. We shouldn't give them the satisfaction by giving them ammo and recruits. We need to think carefully about you destroy dissent from within.
One key aspect in beating radical islam comes from muslims themselves fighting the fight, so it makes sense to do everything we can to protect and help them. This is also an attack on them as every attack by these extremists put them at risk from dumb people who cannot warp their head around the differences of a muslim or sikh or a hindu, but who just see brown people as a collective single threat that wants to hurt them.
People want to turn the issue into a black and white issue. They want to have concrete people who are evil and have concrete people who are bad. But its never that simple. It's never so simple that you can just point the drones somewhere and then go off.
We should be fearless, and that means not being shaken off our rock when people try to nib at us. Bob and weave. Don't let them get to us so we fall out of our routine and begin to betray our values.
Their stings cannot destroy our societies. We constantly will have to remind one another that these cowardly attacks are desperate last hail-mary attempts of morons who have no other options but to do these cowardly attacks and hurt innocent people like this.
DontBeThatGuy
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You know why...
No, at least I haven't seen any confirmations
TheMagician
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Police make desperate statement following London attacks
https://twitter.com/el4jc/status/871334312221736960
https://twitter.com/el4jc/status/871334312221736960
Ahh. I see. I feel stupid.
Christ
TeamLeftMatch
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"If it had happened anywhere else in the country, you would not see this kind of response time."
That's a scary thought.
That's a scary thought.
jesus
holygeesus
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He speaks the truth. Any other city or even a town, gets targeted and there is going to be mayhem.
I don't understand the direction our country is headed right now. How can so many people be so completely fooled.
It's happening in many countries. Cutting back on police, healthcare and military spending.
I know, I just had faith in the UK. Even after Brexit I thought we'd come together to prevent May and her ilk from remaining in power, but it seems the apathetic majority have yet to be rallied.
I'm also terrified at the amount of people who are voting against their self-interest and the safety of our country because of their own stupidity (ie: those old white men on QT and similar).
Thanks for pointing that out...?
I agree that his men are suffering and near burn out, and they've done extremely well, but some part of me feels like they're just pointed out something the terrorists may have been missing...
BUT WOULD YOU NUKE NORTH KOREA????????
Any other place the response woulda be longer. Too much cutsbasically force is stretched thin
Police working over 16hrs with no days off etc due to not enough officers
Pretty obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. They didn't throw 1000 military personal on the streets after the Manchester attack because they're better trained or better equipped; it's because the we're short of 1000 armed officers due to cuts.
It needs to be said though because something needs to be done /now/.
Clearly going through the proper channels hasn't worked, unless you think this is the first time they've tried to communicate this.
NinjaBoiX
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Wait, has it been established that the attack in Times Square wasn't terror related?
SuperBowser
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That sounds hauntingly similar to the NHS situation and unprecdented increases in funding and GPs and nurses it is projected to have for 2020.
I hope our newspapers begin to challenge outright lies instead of peddling this rubbish as neutral claims from two sides.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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I'm going to be honest here, terrorist attacks are horrible but statistically there really is no reason to give in to what they want by living in fear and compromising our values because of them. You're more likely to die because of, well, nearly anything else you can think of. That may sound cold but when the crime in question is entirely about manipulating through emotion, it is all the more important not to be controlled.
| Praxis |
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Just read there has been a number of arrests in Barking. Doesn't surprise me, I stayed there in January, it was the biggest shithole I have ever seen.
If it's not Muslim, it's not Terroristy enough. He was ex military and high on drugs.
ShironRedshift
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Damn. He's definitely right though. That's not something that can be put off, years down the road. If there aren't enough resources, that needs to be dealt with now. Not later, now.
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