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[Eylos]

Even If Scorpio is 400 U$ and thats a very good price

Microsoft must reveal a Lot of exclusives this e3, i dont think hardware Alone Will make that Much of a difference now in the mid-end of the gen

 

[The Artisan]

Yes. 399 will magically solve all of xbox's problems across all regions.

Real talk: the Scorpio will not be successful enough to offset the widening gap to the PlayStation userbase. Closing the gap is pretty much impossible. Closing the gap and overtake the PS4 userbase is misterX levels of delusions.

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

 

[Curufinwe]

Because the PS3 made up the gap outside of America.

6>4

If that, and only that, gets posted as a reply in a multiplat thread, then you can bet that some people will get cranky

Maybe that's the real price hint.

$600 > $400.

 

[Thoraxes]

$400 would be nuts for me anyways, and cheap enough for me to trade in my OG XBO for a Scorpio.

 

[justsomeguy]

perhaps the Scorpio if MS stops releasing their games on Win10 Store

What does Microsoft's PC store have to do with buying an xbox? Genuinely confused.

 

[gamz]

Even If Scorpio is 400 U$ and thats a very good price

Microsoft must reveal a Lot of exclusives this e3, i dont think hardware Alone Will make that Much of a difference now in the mid-end of the gen

Of course it would. The biggest sellers are 3rd party games and people want the best hardware to play that on.

 

[JusDoIt]

Yeah and those people are extremely misguided, unless MS pulls out a miracle.

The miracle would have to be $250 Scorpio at launch and a clear cut unanimous GOTY exclusive this year and every year for the rest of this generation. PS4 too far ahead, yo.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

The PS3 was never behind by 30 million and it out sold 360 almost every year WW after it came out .
MS also does not have the brand power in the parts of the world that let Sony do that .

 

[Justified]

kept missing the $400 for some reason could very well be a false positive but you never know.

Well for one, the continuing searches are effecting the search results meaning MS has no control of what image the text string results in (It not longer comes up when searched using that text string)

Personally I think it needs to be $399, however I dont think thats some sort of ester egg to it

 

[cheesekao]

Of course it would. The biggest sellers are 3rd party games and people want the best hardware to play that on.

You mean cheapest. The X1 Slim is gonna handily outsell the Scorpio during the holidays.

 

[sturgboski]

This. People like to forget the 360 had a rather large lead until the PS3 caught up in the middle of the gen. tl;dr Time is a circle.

There is a vast difference between Xbox and PlayStation. Aside from the fact that the PS2 fan base jumped on with the shiny cheaper 360 and then grabbed the PS3 later after the price drop, you miss the fact that Sony invested heavily in exclusives during this time unlike MS (and still to this day, though more and more of it is exclusive content). Further, Sony is not losing the lead outside of US, so I don't see Microsoft taking the crown. Perhaps they will edge closer in US with enthusiast crowd (1:5 PS4 sales are for the Pro, ratio might be the same with Scorpio). If I am proven wrong, great I'd be just as shocked as anyone. But really a lot more contributed to the PS3 resurgence than just the price drop and I don't see that here.

 

[fantomena]

What does Microsoft's PC store have to do with buying an xbox? Genuinely confused.

Easy. I sold my Xbone cause I never used it, a reason for that was that MS released their games on the Win 10 Store so I could play them on PC. If MS stops releasing their games on PC, then I would want a full price-war between Scorpio and Pro so I can get both cheap. However, I still want a price-war so I can get a Pro cheap.

 

[sibarraz]

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

I think that the difference between both consoles is wider, plus ps3 catched the 360 by reducing the price of the console, not increasing it

 

[nampad]

399 sounds too good to be true.
Scorpio might have a fighting chance with the enthusiasts audience at that price but they won't be able to make up all the market share they have lost the generation so far.

Now MS needs to bring on some heavy hitting exclusives.

 

[Bold One]

I think Sony is doomed guys.

RIP SONY

You had a good run

 

[HighResTomato]

But what do you do with Xbox Scorpio?

Rub it slowly against your skin and rinse with cold running water.

 

[justsomeguy]

"LetterBitch" is some premium grade salt.

The biggest shock is that MRXMedia is still around in any way shape or form.

 

[napata]

Of course it would. The biggest sellers are 3rd party games and people want the best hardware to play that on.

Sales of the PS4 Pro seem to indicate that this isn't true.

 

[diablos991]

$400 would be amazing for this console.
I will preorder it so hard!

 

[justsomeguy]

Easy. I sold my Xbone cause I never used it, a reason for that was that MS released their games on the Win 10 Store so I could play them on PC. If MS stops releasing their games on PC, then I would want a full price-war between Scorpio and Pro so I can get both cheap. However, I still want a price-war so I can get a Pro cheap.

Ahhhhhh - got you! I was reading it back to front from how you meant it.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Side bar but look at the mits on this guy. 6TFs of knuckle.

 

[Shiggy]

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

Xbox One is not selling too well outside of North America. And simply more powerful hardware won't make a difference. Looking at Microsoft's (future) first party lineup, I don't see how their software could have a meaningful impact on sales.

 

[Gaenor]

Sales of the PS4 Pro seem to indicate that this isn't true.

Indeed, price is the number 1 factor for the non-enthusiastic crowd.

 

[AmFreak]

This. People like to forget the 360 had a rather large lead until the PS3 caught up in the middle of the gen. tl;dr Time is a circle. Not a line.

The only reason 360 was ahead, was because it was alone.
The moment the PS3 launched the gap was closing.

 

[The Artisan]

The PS3 was never behind by 30 million and it out sold 360 almost every year WW after it came out .
MS also does not have the brand power in the parts of the world that let Sony do that .

well I guess that's that.

Well for one, the continuing searches are effecting the search results meaning MS has no control of what image the text string results in (It not longer comes up when searched using that text string)

Personally I think it needs to be $399, however I dont think thats some sort of ester egg to it

I think if it is 400 then mS might be sellin at a loss.

I think that the difference between both consoles is wider, plus ps3 catched the 360 by reducing the price of the console, not increasing it

that's another thing too I think the pro will get a price cut to 300 by thanksgiving.

 

[gamz]

Indeed, price is the major factor for the non-enthusiast crowd.

Quality of a product matters to. As does Marketing. And let's face it PS4 Pro wasn't either.

 

[justsomeguy]

Make me want to game on Xbox One. Not PS4, not PC. More powerful hardware does not do that.

That's the opposite of the MS strategy though. It's "play on PC or XBox console, whatever suits you better". Sounds like you are the absolute 100% target for that strategy if you're happy with your PC

Spoiler

and buying on the Windows Store

.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

because Europe

 

[fantomena]

Ahhhhhh - got you! I was reading it back to front from how you meant it.

Haha, no worries.

 

[The Artisan]

because Europe

Xbox One is not selling too well outside of North America. And simply more powerful hardware won't make a difference. Looking at Microsoft's (future) first party lineup, I don't see how their software could have a meaningful impact on sales.

true. I forgot that Ps4 is ruling the rest of the world outside of just here.

 

[BigEmil]

That's the opposite of the MS strategy though. It's "play on PC or XBox console, whatever suits you better". Sounds like you are the absolute 100% target for that strategy if you're happy with your PC

Spoiler

and buying on the Windows Store

.

But that way they won't sell any Xbox One's though, less incentive to buy one.

Like why would you buy Xbox Scorpio if PC has the exclusives Xbox has?

 

[Undead Hero]

If it's $399 I'll preorder as soon as it pops up on Amazon.

 

[gunstarhero]

X10S

Xbox 10 S.

Xbox Tennis.

This made me laugh more than it should have.

 

[Gaenor]

Quality of a product matters to. As does Marketing. And let's face it PS4 Pro wasn't either.

Off course, there's the quality of the product, the available games, the functionalities, etc..

But price is why most people chose a PS4 when they could have gone with a PS4 Pro, and why the Xbox One S will sell better than the Scorpio.

 

[Trago]

LOL at some of these posts. Marketing is marketing. Of course they're gonna takes jabs at the competition when they can. They always do. Hell, take a glance at Greenberg's twitter!

 

[justsomeguy]

But that way they won't sell any Xbox One's though, less incentive to buy one.

Like why would you buy Xbox Scorpio if PC has the exclusives Xbox has?

It has been discussed once or twice on the forum but the TL;DR is "some people prefer consoles".

 

[cakely]

Damn if they sell it for 400, why the fuck is the Pro the same price Sony? Arrogant SOBs if true -_-

Because the PS4 Pro was released a full year before the Xbox One Scorpio.

Quality of a product matters to. As does Marketing. And let's face it PS4 Pro wasn't either.

ITT: gamz doesn't like a Sony product.

 

[jroc74]

^Its amazing, some act like they are both about to release at the same time, lol

the thing is, I want a console to cross over 100 million consoles this gen, like the Wii did last gen. That to me means that the console industry is healthy. Right now the Ps4 seems the most likely, so I want its sales spikes to continue. If the Xbone or switch were in its spot, I would want that as well.

Doesnt matter. To some because Nintendo failed hard with the Wii U the industry was on the verge of collapsing. Never mind the PS4 and XBO were doing fine vs PS360. And the PS4 is on track to sell 100 million.

Some ppl dont look at the whole picture. Just what fits their narrative.

I'd have assumed $399 was the plan from the beginning. They'd have no chance of gaining marketshare if they went above that.

I'd be very surprised if the PS5/XB? hit the market for more than $399....I don't think either company would risk going over $400 again.

Maybe MS's plans are to capture marketshare. They seem to be pushing it alot harder than Sony did the Pro. But...if it isnt next gen will it really grab marketshare? Or just grab folks that have an XBO, XBO S?

The wild card is the folks that didnt get a Pro yet but price will be key.

This. People like to forget the 360 had a rather large lead until the PS3 caught up in the middle of the gen. tl;dr Time is a circle. Not a line.

If the PS3 had stayed $599 or even $499 it probably wouldnt have caught up.

Price helped. That and later in the gen Sony went with core games while MS shat the bed with Kinect games . The last few years of both consoles before the PS4 and XBO launched tells the story for this gen.

MS wont do that again, but Sony has time on their side, which means they can drop prices on both the Slim and Pro.

There is also this:

What are you talking about?

Launch aligned the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360.

The PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by 2 to 1.

The 360 also had a large lead by launching a year earlier.

 

[xxracerxx]

It has been discussed once or twice on the forum but the TL;DR is "some people prefer consoles".

I am one of those people! There are dozens of us, dozens!

Because the PS4 Pro was released a full year before the Xbox One Scorpio.

That post had to be a joke, had to be.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

true. I forgot that Ps4 is ruling the rest of the world outside of just here.

To give you a idea how PS3 caught up they out sold 360 in Japan by 8 million .
There is no country where MS can sell that much over Sony to cut down the lead so that it really matters .
Not to mention MS are getting out sold 3 to 1 or more if we not talking about UK\ NA.

 

[2blackcats]

Why though? Ps3 was able to do it, why is it being considered such hearsay that scorpio could do the same?

What are you talking about?

Launch aligned the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360.

The PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by 2 to 1.

 

[jeffram]

Cue the response claiming MS paid DF to say $499, only so MS could come blow everyone's minds with a $399 announcement.

Obviously Digital foundry has more credibility than that. But you have to believe that Microsoft had the final "approval" on what ended up getting posted. There's no way Digital Foundry would have been able to write "$299 is a fair price for this" with Microsoft being fine with it.

I did lose some respect for DF on the way they covered the CPU though. PS4Pro specs leak, "It's Jaguar again, and that's disappointing". Predicting Scorpio, "If it's 8 cores, it would have to be Jaguar, which would be disappointing". Get's exclusive scoop on scorpio "Custom CPU with lots of enhancements"

 

[MegaSackman]

Judging by Colosseum panels I don't think MS has anything new (I mean big) outside Scorpio, so they better nail the price but as some say, I don't think that's enough. In any case people still believe and invest in the system, is just MS image that's kinda weak.

 

[Koobion]

Very interesting. I feel like there's enthusiasm on Microsoft's side, for Scorpio anyway. Just hope that enthusiasm bleeds over into the software.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Of course it would. The biggest sellers are 3rd party games and people want the best hardware to play that on.

Still spinning that story? You know, in a world without hygiene factors you actually might have been right.

 

[The Artisan]

Doesnt matter. To some because Nintendo failed hard with the Wii U the industry was on the verge of collapsing. Never mind the PS4 and XBO were doing fine vs PS360. And the PS4 is on track to sell 100 million.

Some ppl dont look at the whole picture. Just what fits their narrative.

if the switch and scorpio steal momentum thunder from Ps4, or if Ps5 is announced to release next year, I don't think Ps4 will have the same chance of going 100+.

To give you a idea how PS3 caught up they out sold 360 in Japan by 8 million .
There is no country where MS can sell that much over Sony to cut down the lead so that it really matters .
Not to mention MS are getting out sold 3 to 1 or more if we not talking about UK\ NA.

to be fair though isn't console love shrinking in Japan

and you're saying right now the Ps4/xbone sales are 3/1?

What are you talking about?

Launch aligned the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360.

The PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by 2 to 1.

questions have been answered.

 

[Van Bur3n]

They'd be stupid to price it at anything above $400.

 

[cheesekao]

if the switch and scorpio steal momentum thunder from Ps4, or if Ps5 is announced to release next year, I don't think Ps4 will have the same chance of going 100+.

Sony already stated that the Switch had no discernable impact on PS4 sales. Even sales data corroborate that.

 

[ScaryShark]

Of course it would. The biggest sellers are 3rd party games and people want the best hardware to play that on.

Link?

Sounds like you're confusing average consumer and poster on GAF.

 

[xxracerxx]

or if Ps5 is announced to release next year.

What?

No. Just no. It ain't happening.