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[clemenx]

Belittling the league isn't the same as belittling the top clubs.

I don't get this. Doing this in Europe, heck, in football in general is nonsensical. Every league fucking sucks equally. PL is a bit better thanks to their money being a bit more equally distributed but still..

I love football with all my heart but to act like 99% of the leagues aren't an affair between 3-4 teams at most is a joke.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

European soccer has gotten so stupid. It blows my mind how sports in Europe are the Republican dream while they tend to be more "socialized" here in North America.

I don't blame Neymar for leaving. I wouldn't want to spent my time with tax evasion criminals or uncivilized floppers either.

How so ?

Would you rather that all that money stays in the pocket of multi billionaire football club instead? How would that be better?

 

[autumnleaf]

Plus PSG was practically eliminated by the referee in the game against Barcelona.

Nah, they just bottled it. A couple of bad decisions doesn't change the fact they went to pieces and blew it. It was embarrassing.

 

[milanbaros]

How so ?

Would you rather that all that money stays in the pocket of multi billionaire football club instead? How would that be better?

No, but there does need to be a fair play tax on non tv revenue/expenditure tax which is then distributed evenly amongst the clubs. Premier League is relatively even compared to others because of how big the tv deal is but it's still ridiculous.

 

[Sony]

Nah, they just bottled it. A couple of bad decisions doesn't change the fact they went to pieces and blew it. It was embarrassing.

Come on now. Yeah PSG played a horrible match but they were sitting on a 4-0 lead. Without the ref, they would have lost for sure, but at least they would have made it to the next round. And this is coming from a Barca fan.

 

[Qvoth]

As a casual Barca fan, I'd say sell him the fuck away
That is literally an insane amount of money
PSG is still 4-5 signatures away of players of top tier caliber before they start becoming a champions league threat anyway, not much harm I feel in selling

 

[Sony]

As a casual Barca fan, I'd say sell him the fuck away
That is literally an insane amount of money
PSG is still 4-5 signatures away of players of top tier caliber before they start becoming a champions league threat anyway, not much harm I feel in selling

Of course Barca should sell his ass. They're being dumb. If a player wants to leave that bad, blocking his transfer will affect his play (negatively). They can use the money to build their team again as their subs are seriously lacking.

 

[Ikuu]

Barca can't complain considering how dodgy the original transfer was.

 

[OléGunner]

Nearly 200m quid for any player on this Earth is insane.
But we've reached this insane place in the football transfer market where player valuations are bananas and it is what it is. You either pay a ridiculous fee for established star quality or fuck off.

I mean, Siggurdson for 45m is being turned down by Swansea and that's absurd even though he's a great player.

 

[autumnleaf]

Come on now. Yeah PSG played a horrible match but they were sitting on a 4-0 lead. Without the ref, they would have lost for sure, but at least they would have made it to the next round. And this is coming from a Barca fan.

Look at their defending for the last 10 minutes, it was pathetic. They didn't string more than 1 pass together in that time either (apart from the kick-offs!), the very basics of football. Blaming the ref is just an excuse, they lost it themselves.

 

[Mac_Lane]

Look at their defending for the last 10 minutes, it was pathetic. They didn't string more than 1 pass together in that time either (apart from the kick-offs!), the very basics of football. Blaming the ref is just an excuse, they lost it themselves.

Yes, it was more of a collective mental breakdown. It was awful to watch unfold, could barely sleep afterwards

Conceding 3 goals in the span of 7 minutes, I still can't wrap my mind around it. That was like a redo of the Brazil-Germany of 2014.

 

[immortal-joe]

Too early for this thread. The deal isn't confirmed yet.

 

[Yellowflashdude]

Better the healthcare be more "socialist" rather than only the sports.

 

[Jabo]

Huh interesting, PSG held on to Verratti and now they get Neymar.

I don't see Barca replacing him with more than 1 world class player (Coutinho or Dybala) their clubs now will ask for double the price they were asking for LUL

 

[ty_hot]

He wants to be the best player in the World. He wont be while he plays with Messi. 4 Years ago when he moved to Barça he (and probably most people) expected to Messi to start to decline now, which isnt happening, ,guy is out of this planet. So the only way he can be the Player of the Year is by signing for another team and winning the Champions League.

He also wants out of Barça because they are selling their brazilian players and not bringing new ones (probably getting Coutinho ONLY if Neymar leaves though). Neymar wants to play with his Brazil's national teamates. He wants the WOrld Cup next year, playing with them would help a lot. If Barça had signed Paulinho and Coutinho I am sure Neymar would have stayed.

Cant say he is wrong, getting the double of his sallary, likely to become an idol at PSG, he will be the head of the team, will have great players alongside him... I would do the same. Everyone would.

Btw, about the financial fairplay, the amount of money they will make out of him is going to be huge. I dont think they will break any rule even spending that much.

 

[Bubble]

It is actually kind of funny to see this happen to Barcelona. They'll lose one of their best players and if they want to buy a player to replace Neymar, everyone knows that they are loaded with cash.

And knowing Barcelona, they'll probably splash the cash on good, but not great players anyway.

 

[TimmmV]

European soccer has gotten so stupid. It blows my mind how sports in Europe are the Republican dream while they tend to be more "socialized" here in North America.

I don't blame Neymar for leaving. I wouldn't want to spent my time with tax evasion criminals or uncivilized floppers either.

American sports seem like a cartel set up to make money for the leagues and team owners, that isn't "socialised" at all really. Plus the whole college system seems like it totally exploits the players as well

Fees like this for Neymar are disgusting, but at least the people making money from football are the players, and they have a decent amount of control about who they play for

 

[A Serious Man]

European soccer has gotten so stupid. It blows my mind how sports in Europe are the Republican dream while they tend to be more "socialized" here in North America.

I don't blame Neymar for leaving. I wouldn't want to spent my time with tax evasion criminals or uncivilized floppers either.

I'm pretty sure a select group of rich white dudes raking in billions while their employees have a cap put on their salaries is the Republican dream.

 

[Spinluck]

Good fucking lord

 

[PdotMichael]

European soccer has gotten so stupid. It blows my mind how sports in Europe are the Republican dream while they tend to be more "socialized" here in North America.

I don't blame Neymar for leaving. I wouldn't want to spent my time with tax evasion criminals or uncivilized floppers either.

What? In the USA everything is designed in the way that the club owners are making so much money as possible out of it.

 

[RedSparrows]

He probably feels like Kyrie under LeBron. I understand this. But crazy money. Not even playing Football Manager I'd pay that much for a player.

Curious to see who Barcelona will bring as replacement.

It's a tad unrealistic (no shit!), but I always take great pride when playing FM by actively refusing to play the mega transfer game (except a few - 2, 3 - signings over a career) and focusing on youth. I've won countless leagues and CLs with teams made up of superstars signed as kids from around the world costing £20 million total.

It's my own private fight against the system, maaan.

 

[norinrad]

Good fucking lord

Pretty much. He wont be able to live up to the hype because of all that money.

 

[Kain]

Fuck Cuntmar, he's a twat that carries a toxic as fuck entourage of douches wherever he goes. Good riddance I say, he's not worth the trouble. In five years here he's played good maybe one and a half.

The problem is the current managers of the club, they are as inepts and stupid as they can be and will spend the money in Paulinho and other "elite" players.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

"lol nah"

Just realised I'm still annoyed about this.

Though, it is fun to see some Barca fans go 'ugh, PSG', 'terrible league', 'he'll never win the Champions League' when Barca had to cheat to the wire to actually come back against PSG. Its a shame that Barca fans and perhaps even football will remember that game as anything less than embarrassing for the sport.

Still, I understand the idea that PSG is a bit of a silly move because he'll be playing easier games but what exactly was he doing at Barca? Struggling against only one team, having to try against a handful more? Its hardly like he was in the most competitive league in the world to begin with.

European soccer has gotten so stupid. It blows my mind how sports in Europe are the Republican dream while they tend to be more "socialized" here in North America.

I don't blame Neymar for leaving. I wouldn't want to spent my time with tax evasion criminals or uncivilized floppers either.

What are you basing this on? The money involved? Do you think that European countries are scared of making money just because we treat our citizens well?

 

[Floody]

Liverpool currently crying. Goodbye Coutinho.

I doubt Barca would be willing to come close to what it'd take for Liverpool to sell. Liverpool are already sitting on about a £150m they can't spend, due to clubs not wanting to sell. It'd probably take a £150m for Liverpool to even think twice about selling Coutinho, maybe even more this window due to how it's went for Liverpool.

 

[East Lake]

What are you basing this on? The money involved? Do you think that European countries are scared of making money just because we treat our citizens well?

Salary caps level the playing field, in that sense it's "socialist". The owners have to deal with a similar amount of resources.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Salary caps level the playing field, in that sense it's "socialist". The owners have to deal with a similar amount of resources.

It's not "socialist" it helps small team to be competitive but the money the club is making stays in the owners pockets because they can't use it on players.

It's putting competition and owners above players.

 

[Kayo Police]

So who's sitting on the bench for neymar? Draxler, Moura?

 

[East Lake]

It's not "socialist" it helps small team to be competitive but the money the club is making stays in the owners pockets because they can't use it on players.

It's putting competition and owners above players.

You're kind of agreeing it's socialist but saying it's not because the players don't get unlimited sums of money, This ignores a possible alternate reality where the Seahawks would win every year and it's not clear that ticket sales for other teams would bring in the income they do now.

 

[RangerX]

That's an immoral amount to pay for one player. Fuck the market. There needs to be a cap.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Crazy how much money there is in this corrupt sport institution.

 

[PdotMichael]

That's an immoral amount to pay for one player. Fuck the market. There needs to be a cap.

I don't know. Football generates an incredible amount of money and if you give that money to the people who make everything possible in the first place then is it not really immoral.

 

[Ostinatto]

What? for Neymar? lol

 

[WhateverItTakes]

I doubt Barca would be willing to come close to what it'd take for Liverpool to sell. Liverpool are already sitting on about a £150m they can't spend, due to clubs not wanting to sell. It'd probably take a £150m for Liverpool to even think twice about selling Coutinho, maybe even more this window due to how it's went for Liverpool.

We've got to keep him this season. In the absence of marquee signings he's gonna be a focal point for maintaining a decent position, which would then make us more attractive to players, even if he does go.

 

[Cairnsay]

Nearly 200m quid for any player on this Earth is insane.
But we've reached this insane place in the football transfer market where player valuations are bananas and it is what it is. You either pay a ridiculous fee for established star quality or fuck off.

I mean, Siggurdson for 45m is being turned down by Swansea and that's absurd even though he's a great player.

I actually understand where Swansea are coming from on that one. If you go by last seasons stats and apply them this year, them having any chance on staying in the PL is reliant on them not losing Siggurdson. Sure, if they sell him they will have a lot of cash for new players, but they would surely also need to budget for at least one season in the Championship.

 

[tri_willy]

Footy regulars should join us in the OT. Need more blood.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1381509

What did you have for breakfast?

I used to post in that thread... before all the shit happened

Funny Neymar mentioned wanting to play in the same team as Coutinho...

Please dont leave Cou <3

 

[RocknRola]

I used to post in that thread... before all the shit happened

Funny Neymar mentioned wanting to play in the same team as Coutinho...

Please dont leave Cou <3

Or, or, or Liverpool coming in with the steal from PSG

 

[Haunted]

obscene

 

[Maintenance]

Waste of money.

 

[Markitron]

Hey we did buy Suarez at the same time as Carroll.... god that list is depressing.

That is true, and it does help mitigate it somewhat, but Carroll was Torres' direct replacement as they were essentially part of the same deal. Liverpool wanted 15m + Carrol for Torres.

What I find really depressing is when Suarez said a while later that he thought he was going to play alongside Torres.

Or, or, or Liverpool coming in with the steal from PSG

Well we have spent all summer chasing targets we have no chance of getting, what's one more to the list? Why stop there though, lets get really ambitious and put in a bid for the entire Escape to Victory starting 11. I'll bet Sly can still give Mignolet a fair bit of competition.

 

[Sato Koiji]

Of all the players they choose Neymar who killed them in the last CL season.

 

[Koren]

Become champions with PSG, seems easy.

And they still failed last year

 

[RocknRola]

Well we have spent all summer chasing targets we have no chance of getting, what's one more to the list? Why stop there though, lets get really ambitious and put in a bid for the entire Escape to Victory starting 11. I'll bet Sly can still give Mignolet a fair bit of competition.

Mignolet would crumble under the pressure of defending for his own freedom

 

[Ruruja]

That's an immoral amount to pay for one player. Fuck the market. There needs to be a cap.

There needs to be a burst bubble.

 

[bbalde]

Of all the players they choose Neymar who killed them in the last CL season.

It's very usual, even in workplace. Companies pouch talents often from the competition.

Back on topic, I can't wait to see his face when he will see the state of some of pitch of the LFP.

 

[EdwardTeach]

He wants to be the best player in the World. He wont be while he plays with Messi. 4 Years ago when he moved to Barça he (and probably most people) expected to Messi to start to decline now, which isnt happening, ,guy is out of this planet. So the only way he can be the Player of the Year is by signing for another team and winning the Champions League.

He also wants out of Barça because they are selling their brazilian players and not bringing new ones (probably getting Coutinho ONLY if Neymar leaves though). Neymar wants to play with his Brazil's national teamates. He wants the WOrld Cup next year, playing with them would help a lot. If Barça had signed Paulinho and Coutinho I am sure Neymar would have stayed.

Cant say he is wrong, getting the double of his sallary, likely to become an idol at PSG, he will be the head of the team, will have great players alongside him... I would do the same. Everyone would.

Btw, about the financial fairplay, the amount of money they will make out of him is going to be huge. I dont think they will break any rule even spending that much.

He will not win the Ballon d'or while he is at psg. They play in a lower status league, and he is very unlikely to win champions league with them.
His only chance is to win the world cup.
This move is all about money, not just neymar, his dad is getting a massive cut of the transfer fee.

 

[EdwardTeach]

That is true, and it does help mitigate it somewhat, but Carroll was Torres' direct replacement as they were essentially part of the same deal. Liverpool wanted 15m + Carrol for Torres.

What I find really depressing is when Suarez said a while later that he thought he was going to play alongside Torres.



Well we have spent all summer chasing targets we have no chance of getting, what's one more to the list? Why stop there though, lets get really ambitious and put in a bid for the entire Escape to Victory starting 11. I'll bet Sly can still give Mignolet a fair bit of competition.

You are talking nonsense. The Carroll and Torres deals weren't connected. Carroll was bought from Newcastle, Torres sold to Chelsea.

 

[EdwardTeach]

I don't know. Football generates an incredible amount of money and if you give that money to the people who make everything possible in the first place then is it not really immoral.

The transfer fee goes to the selling club, not the player (though they will sometimes be entitled to a cut).
But in terms of salaries, I agree. Football generates a lot of money, it is fair if most of that ends up in the hands of the players. (no harm reducing ticket prices though).

 

[Markitron]

You are talking nonsense. The Carroll and Torres deals weren't connected. Carroll was bought from Newcastle, Torres sold to Chelsea.

I'm not talking nonsense, I said essentially part of the same deal, not officially. Liverpool decided that they would only let Torres go if they got Carroll from Newcastle to replace him. One wouldn't have happened without the other. They wanted Carroll + 15m, so Newcastle essentially set the Torres price by demanding 35m for Carroll.

Easily the worst transfer of all time, the fact that it is still our record transfer over 6 years later is depressing.

 

[OléGunner]

I actually understand where Swansea are coming from on that one. If you go by last seasons stats and apply them this year, them having any chance on staying in the PL is reliant on them not losing Siggurdson. Sure, if they sell him they will have a lot of cash for new players, but they would surely also need to budget for at least one season in the Championship.

I agree, he's been instrumental for Swansea.

Even more, with all the money sloshing about the Premier League, Swansea are right to hedge their bets and eek out as much as possible for a transfer fee, especially near the windows end.

A part of me always wanted to see how he could do in my team Arsenal, he fits our style quite well.