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Chargers got nerfed a lot. The balance in this game is really terrible at the moment and most people just tend to use trislosher, rapid blaster or a handful of shooters. When I looked at the league battle score board earlier this morning, there were only 5 chargers in the entire top 50 teams.
Hmm...This is good to know. I thought ink mines were useless though? What about the Rapid Blaster loadout makes it good?
edit - do we know when the next major update is coming? It feels like we're due for a new stage soon.
Rapid Blaster doesn't kill in one shot so the 35 damage from ink mines actually can help it kill faster. It's probably one of the few weapons in the game that ink mines make sense on.
The game has been out less than two weeks
I'm with you though, I don't mind something fresh. Though I'm still learning new things.
The game has been out less than two weeks
I'm with you though, I don't mind something fresh. Though I'm still learning new things.
The first Splatoon received weekly updates for a good long while after release, so it isn't completely outright to expect weekly updates for the sequel.
BigBeauford
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The rapid blaster itself has absurd range, so you can stay far away from most weapons reach, and pepper objectives like the tower or control zones. It's pretty insane.
I made a post earlier about the changes they made to chargers, the biggest nerf being range reduction. I dread how that will affect the bamboozler. One thing I noticed later is that the charge up can only go to 80 damage in splatoon 2.
That's still down a lot from the first game where eliters were an essential part of every team comp. A lot of charger players dropped the weapon. Even during the E3 tournament, the US team's charger player switched to splatling.
How did they nerf chargers for those of us who don't know?
Edit: never mind. Missed the post about range reduction.
I'm not a charger player so I don't know all the specifics, but apparently the projectile speed of the charger shot was also lowered and the removal of damage up as an ability means that chargers have to charge their shot a lot longer in this game to get a kill.
Can't this be viewed as a good thing (except to charger fans)? Requiring a specific weapon for a team to be successful isn't necessarily ideal.
I have no dog in this fight since I'll probably never get into League play. I have found other games that allowed snipers to be dominant to be pretty frustrating so I'm happy they are not completely overwhelming in this one!
FireBeaver
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Oh man, losing in this game sucks but winning feels so good.
PadWarrior
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So no good splatoon forums?
SplatGAF and the discord aren't good enough?
I did not know about the projectile speed reduction, I'll have to test this later. I wonder if the devs thought charge storage was enough of a buff to cover this, which would be odd since the scoped vairants don't get that. Fully charged shots also peirce enemies now, but I think this was added so chargers would be useful in salmon run.
Which is fine since it was always annoying to get killed by Charger that only had to charged halfway. Although they are annoying in another way now, namely they can swim away and still hold their charge to waste you later.
Sleeping Lesson
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My biggest point of frustration with this game is losing weapon rank because we were 3-on-4. That happens way too often.
Also, chargers have had range nerfs across the board.
I don't think going from a series staple to barely viable is a good thing. Chargers, rollers, blasters and splatlings were all hit hard with nerfs making the weapons in those classes range from "less fun to use" to "not even worth using anymore". The balance changes heavily favor short range, low TTK weapons like splattershot and trislosher to the point where it has stifled a lot of play styles that existed in the first game.
PadWarrior
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I want information and numbers to read and Japanese gameplay and names. Something like smashboards. Discord is fun and I use it but doesn't have the info I want.
I think another point about chargers that adversely impacts them is the maps we have. Most of them are really small, and pretty much all of them lack a lot of the verticality that we saw in some of the Splatoon 1 maps. So many maps in this game are tiny-ass killboxes with only a bit of room to maneuver around, which are going to favor shorter range weapons .
Not a big deal for me though. I only play Turf War, so they less shitty chargers I see on my team the better.
Not a big deal for me though. I only play Turf War, so they less shitty chargers I see on my team the better.
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Deleted member 231381
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Yeah, I'm looking now and there's a fair few chargers scattered without. I mean, they're not Tri-Slosher/Octobrush/Rapid Blaster common, but they're among the more used weapons in the teams, for sure. At the time I'm writing, they're 11.25% of top team weapons used. Calling that barely viable is really stretching it.
BobbyColtrane
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Is there really no local multiplayer on 1 console? If so, what a disaster.
My sons are having friends over (we have 2 Switches between us) and we can't play this game?!?!?
My sons are having friends over (we have 2 Switches between us) and we can't play this game?!?!?
you can do local stuff with two Switches
tonyh24613
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It's only been 10 days. It takes time.
Everyone is too busy playing instead of filling wikis.
That's fair, I'm probably being a bit hyperbolic. Bluefin Splatterscope is still pretty good but the charger class in general got nerfed way too hard. I feel like the Bluefin's wall and suction bomb rush are really what saves it.
Well, there is a difference between being a staple and being mandatory, which you basically stated they were. This is early days and this may be a case of an over adjustment, they can be patched to have longer range if accumulated match data shows they are really not viable.
I'd say give it some time, haha! I realize this isn't helpful advice in the moment but it is nearly always better for balance changes to be small and incremental and given enough time to evaluate properly.
Edit: The above only refers to chargers, not rollers, blasters, or splatlings. The only think I know about blasters is that the Luna is nasty and I don't like going up against it!!
BobbyColtrane
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So everyone has to have their own?
Not really worth buying in that case. We have 2 people coming over to play games, and even without them we are 3 people with 2 Switches...
Just a bad design decision in my opinion. Oh well there are plenty of local 4 player games on Switch....
Balance changes should defiantly be small and incremental but the fact is that they hit a lot of weapons with large, sweeping nerfs coming into this new game. It makes no sense and it's incredibly frustrating for returning players.
yeah for Splatoon it's one person per Switch
SquidBoards exists, but I'm not sure how active they are.
Yeah, you kinda have to treat local Splatoon like other local handheld games instead of local console games. It really sucks. Even if local play with one Wii U was anemic in Splatoon 1, at least it was there.
But like you said, plenty of other local 4-player games on the Switch to play.
I'm betting the reason is to maintain 1080p 60FPS. Plus if you played split screen undocked it would probably be too small. In a shooter you have to pick out small things in the distance. It's not like Mario Kart or Arms where pretty much everything you need to see is in your face.
New numbered games are exactly where it makes sense to make sweeping changes to weapons, though.
I think SquidBoards is basically just a place to list upcoming tournaments at this point.
Green Mamba
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Just beat the single player campaign and... that was it?
I liked that the levels had more variety and weapon usage than the first, but the whole thing just felt like a level expansion of the first. I thought the campaign in the first was fun but could have been pushed a lot more to be something really special, but this one's really didn't go the extra distance at all. And the final boss was really disappointing in comparison to how crazy the first game's was in comparison to the campaign it followed.
I liked that the levels had more variety and weapon usage than the first, but the whole thing just felt like a level expansion of the first. I thought the campaign in the first was fun but could have been pushed a lot more to be something really special, but this one's really didn't go the extra distance at all. And the final boss was really disappointing in comparison to how crazy the first game's was in comparison to the campaign it followed.
What's wrong with sitting the two switches next to each other and playing online matches together?
PadWarrior
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They aren't active.
Yeah, I think it was the music in the first one that did it. I thought what they did here was clever to give new people a taste of the magic and recreate it, although to a lesser extent, for the rest of us.
I did appreciate the difficulty. Having played the first game to death I thought I would breeze through it but the level usually end now with a bit of a challenge that had me dying and ever RIPing a couple times.
Also, nice touch to have all the weapons playable, great way to practice if you're really shy about online.
It just sucks the small amount of weapons that made it to the new game unchanged (or even buffed) are now dominating the meta. It's hard to come up with an excuse to use a lot of this game's more unique weapons now when splattershots just do a better job at filling their old roles while offering higher versatility.
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Firefin Splatterscope, Tri-Slosher, N-Zap '85, Rapid Blaster, Tentatek Splattershot, and Octobrush between them contribute to over 95% of the weapons used by top 20 teams at the moment, which is impressive.
A six weapon meta is really disappointing. Especially when those 6 weapons boil down to choosing a short range kill machine or a ranged weapon with bomb rush.
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