Excessive anger can be a side effect of other disorders though. She wasnt just showing signs in anger. She was also acting delusional, and the way she talked.
Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target
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capitalCORN
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Unless you can prove schizophrenia on the patient, good luck:
http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html
And my own experience speak to that.
ryutaro's mama
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True, but anger and delusion can also be aspects of disorders. No need to dismiss the possibility.
Can't say I've come across an open racist/bigot, criminal, religious fanatic, etc. that couldn't be described as having mental issues. None of this is mutually exclusive.
Edit: Could be a valid reason for violent anger, but it is a benefit of doubt that seems to be extended to a certain group far more than others.
white people
ryutaro's mama
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I have just ascended.
capitalCORN
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No need to assume either.
IsntChrisL
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Oh well that solves that then. Open and shut case. Ignore the video description where he says: "She talked a lot about terrorists keeping prisoners in a 'Flesh Cave' down in the basement prior to the video." Ignore the erratic behavior. You know, just ignore your eyes, ears, and any semblance of common sense and it's very clear that this woman is completely normal outside of the blatant racism.
It's case by case. Notice how no one is calling jontron mentally ill...at least not many.
People are calling her mentally ill because she went into target, threw stuff around violently, has an off speech pattern, looks crazy in the eyes, and is acting delusional.
Mammoth Jones
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"If it helps just one black person...we need to get rid of it!" - Most Conservatives
Snarky(HEART)
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could have been anything from drugs to drinking to stress to her racism causing her to act the way she did.
Jumping to mental illness is just a way to make a victim out of her, and for white people, especially white women, it's a very common assumption.
gutter_trash
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she can be both. Both racist and both mentally ill.
IsntChrisL
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Drugs, liquor, racism, mental illness. None of these these things are mutually exclusive. If this woman was acting like this but replaced the racial slurs with literally anything else, she would still be mentally ill.
Jmanunknown
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What he did to mental health care was atrocious especially after what happened to him. Reagan is the gift that keeps on giving. His terrible legacy is still alive and well today.
TarpitCarnivore
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The person writing that in the description is no more qualified to make that assumption than all the armchair psychiatrist in this thread. I really trust the person from VirlaHog.com to fully understand the signs of psychosis.
This is what I was trying to get at before. We can't keep throwing "mentally ill" at every situation where a, typically white, person does something outlandish in public. Remember Dylan Roof? Remember how quick people were to throw around "mentally ill"? Remember how it quickly shifted the discussion away from the larger issues at play.
Snarky(HEART)
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Man you just refuse to except the possibility that this woman is just a bad person
And you refuse to accept the possibility she is very mentally unstable.
IsntChrisL
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Not once have I hinted that she might be a good person. I believe she's a racist and I believe that she's mentally ill.
ThisGuy
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She's clearly racist, clearly something wrong with her mentally. People trying to decry either one are idiots.
My biggest take away is that security guard. He's brave as fuck. As soon as he jumped on her my biggest fear was him getting poked by a needle on her person. I would have told her to walk for that alone lmao, no way in hell I'm getting close to that woman.
My biggest take away is that security guard. He's brave as fuck. As soon as he jumped on her my biggest fear was him getting poked by a needle on her person. I would have told her to walk for that alone lmao, no way in hell I'm getting close to that woman.
Khaos Kontrol
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I'd expect something like this to happen in Walmart, not Target.
I don't maybe? I'm not a doctor and I assume you aren't either.
People have killed, hung, lynched, even tried to genocide a whole race out of racism. Hate is a powerful emotion that can cause irrational and even psychotic behavior. Contributing it all to mental illness just means the racial aspect of it gets left behind.
IsntChrisL
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I didn't contribute it all to mental illness. For fuck's sake, actually read my posts. Racism is awful and this lady is racist. That doesn't mean she's okay upstairs. Not everything needs to be black and white. We've always gotta pick a side and tell everyone else to fuck off.
I live in a city with a lot of homeless people that act erratically, just like this woman. I also know people with mental illness (don't worry GAF, they're not white). The system is fucked beyond belief. I am not saying "don't blame her, she's sick." I'm just pointing out that she's unhinged.
I didn't tell anybody to fuck off. I just don't think the possibility of her being mentally ill is all that important for the topic. The topic was what she did, not the reason for why she is that way because we don't know anything for sure. Honestly she probably is mentally ill. But open racism in America like this seems to be happening more and more. I don't think it's just mental illness that is the cause. It could be here certainly, but I don't feel that needs to be acknowledged for the conversation to continue.
Snarky(HEART)
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This thread has spent 9 pages arguing over whether this woman is mentally ill or not. Not much conversation about dealing with the actual racism plaguing us, oh but at least there was some talk about helping people with mental illness right?
IsntChrisL
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Why shouldn't we acknowledge the volatile "flesh cave" elephant in the room? Why can't we acknowledge that she may in fact be a racist person with mental issues?
Gordon Shumway
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Why can't we say it's both and move on? lol..
Snarky(HEART)
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IsntChrisL
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Because apparently people can only be one thing.
Yeah, that's true. When I say over and over that she is clearly racist I am obviously ignoring racism.
Because a few people here still are trying to say its likely she isnt mentally ill.
The post you quoted literally proves they're not "ignoring racism", as does their entire post history ITT.
You're putting your fingers in your ears and shouting.
Vicetrailia
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Clearly she's both. But people just like to argue I suppose.
Or you could just say she is racist and mentaly ill and move on.
Snarky(HEART)
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What I'm saying is You're much more concerned with making sure we know she is mentally ill than fighting her racism
You guys are the ones who are actually putting your fingers in your ears
Gordon Shumway
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That's silly talk. We can just call her a mentally ill racist, and go on about our day. Or, we can go in circles. Simple stuff, really..
There won't be any chance to end her racism at all if her illness isn't helped first.
No she's only a racist. Puts fingers in ears...... LA LA LA la.... I can't hear you.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
She's clearly being racist, that's evident for everyone watching the video. What some people seem to be outright dismissing is that could also be mentally ill. Why is it hard to accept that it could be both? All sorts of people can be mentally ill.
Yeah I too notice that mental illness issues rarely come up here unless a white racist does something stupid. Then it's "WE NEED TO HELP THE MENTALLY ILL!"
Like can some of you guys be any LESS transparent?
Because whether mentally ill or not, she's cognitive enough to be aware of situations around her and is old enough to know better.
The mentally ill are not fucking stupid. Many of them can get by in social situations without flying off the handle. So to lay this on her mental issues, that she might not have, is fucking insulting to those who suffer from it.
IsntChrisL
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I'm acknowledging that she has issues that extend beyond her racism. It's not my fault that you refuse to accept that this behavior can be linked to mental health problems.
Snarky(HEART)
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OK. FINE. You win, just so we can stop going in circles.
She's racist, and mentally ill.
Can we focus on the racist part for just a moment now please?
There's like a whole thread about dealing with mental issues with thousands of posts.
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