ItalianJoe83
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G-Sync on TV?
That's new to me, I'll keep that in mind before buying my next gaming TV
That's new to me, I'll keep that in mind before buying my next gaming TV
G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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No, you misunderstand. They have a G-Sync monitor then using Steam Link to the TV where G-Sync isn't.
To what degree is G-sync worth it? I'm in the market for a new a monitor (for a new PC) and I'm debating between the C49HG90 which is a Samsung 49" super ultra wide monitor (32:9), 3840x1080, HDR and 144hz refresh rate, or one of the announced 35" G-Sync HDR 200hz 3440x1440 monitors from Acer/Asus that are coming out later in the year. I reckon both are bound to cost the same but I really like the form factor of the Samsung one and the familiarity that having 2 seamless 1920x1080 brings (I already have a 34" 3440x1440 display, but with no bells or whistles). One the major differences is G-Sync support with the Samsung doesn't have.
The computer that this will be paired with is a 7700K, 32 GB DDR4, 1080 Ti machine.
The computer that this will be paired with is a 7700K, 32 GB DDR4, 1080 Ti machine.
Get a monitor with Gsync. It really removes a burden of the user by making you not care about stuttering due vsync, tearing, and fluctuating framerates (if it's an high refresh screen) when between 60-120+hz
It's hard to explain without showing it hands on. The difference between a screen with it and without is big in many games. But it's not a visual experience, it's more of a responsiveness, feeling type of experience.
So is my understanding flawed in that the main benefit of G-Sync is between 40~ FPS and 60 FPS?
jim2point0
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Ehhh? Well, I don't know what any of that means. The only drawback to 21:9 I guess is if you just don't like 21:9. And 100hz < 144hz, I suppose.
Depends on the refresh rate too, doesn't it? I think the gsync range for the 100hz ultrawides is 30-100, which is fantastic. Personally, I'm going to love being able to uncap my framerate once I snag one of these monitors tonight (finally).
Yes. The benefit of gsync goes beyond those framerates. If you have a higher refresh rate monitor (as most gsync monitors are), you'll avoid the tearing between 60-144hz that you'd normally get if you couldn't achieve a locked vsynced 144 fps. It creates a beautiful buttery smooth highly responsive image at these framerates. 100-140hz is where these monitors really shine I think.
Exactly.
I find the range of 60-140 more relevant for Gsync than 30-60.
Because between 30-60 I can see when the framerate changes, even if it doesn't stutter
Insufficient bit depth in the display chain at some point if it's not inherent in the source material. Most TN monitors are 6 bit with FRC if you have a TN panel which could be a culprit.
If the options are the same as a PG348Q make sure it's in the Racing or sRGB modes. (Racing = sRGB with the picture controls unlocked)
The Scenery or Cinema modes use a low gamma which brightens things up and makes banding or compression artifacts noticeable.
Don't adjust the "desktop color settings" in the NVIDIA Control Panel or load an ICC profile.
I don't know if that will fix it, but it should give you the least amount of banding possible for that panel.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
It's on racing mode. Have to use Nvidia colour settings though or the picture looks washed out
What are you changing to make it not "washed out"?
Do you still get the banding if you reset the NVIDIA color controls?
jim2point0
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Got the Asus PG348Q.
Feels nice to finally not worry about tearing. Also, I purposefully cranked the res scaling in Battlefield 1 to try and get the FPS to dip below 60 and I didn't even notice it at all when that happened. And when the FPS does go into the 80-90 range, it feels freakin great. Not to mention way smoother in Windows.
Other than that, I think I actually liked the color calibration of the Dell U3415W better out of the box. Also, I'm not sure if all that is worth dropping $1000+ on a monitor. But I just couldn't deal with not having gsync anymore and I already spoiled myself with a 3440x1440 ultrawide.
Feels nice to finally not worry about tearing. Also, I purposefully cranked the res scaling in Battlefield 1 to try and get the FPS to dip below 60 and I didn't even notice it at all when that happened. And when the FPS does go into the 80-90 range, it feels freakin great. Not to mention way smoother in Windows.
Other than that, I think I actually liked the color calibration of the Dell U3415W better out of the box. Also, I'm not sure if all that is worth dropping $1000+ on a monitor. But I just couldn't deal with not having gsync anymore and I already spoiled myself with a 3440x1440 ultrawide.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Doesn't happen without NVIDIA colour settings or at least not as bad
But without using those colour settings it's too bright and washed out and thats with the monitor setup properly following a guide on tomshardware iirc
The stock calibration for my PG348Q is fairly decent in the sRGB or Racing modes.
The only thing I had to do was make a minor adjustment to the white balance as it was slightly too red. (94 / 98 / 100 RGB to hit D65)
Gamma is a little low, measuring 2.1, so I do wish there were more calibration controls, but that seems to be the main thing that G-Sync displays are lacking.
Newer monitors seem to include gamma presets, but no actual 10pt gamma controls or LUT adjustments.
Yikes, well those settings are definitely causing banding.
I'm just confused as to why you would need settings like that. The reviews I've checked have all said that gamma is too high out of the box on this monitor, making things too dark - yet you're still making the image even darker with those adjustments.
According to the Tom's Hardware review:
Their recommendation is to use Racing Mode with contrast reduced to 42, and gamma set to 1.8http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-pg248q-24-inch-180hz-g-sync-gaming-monitor said:
The initial gamma measurement indicates a contrast control that is set too high. It clips highlight information and makes darker content look too bright. This has a deleterious effect on perceived contrast. TN and IPS don't have the greatest black levels in general, but getting gamma right can go a long way towards creating the deep blacks and rich shadow detail we all crave.
Changing the preset to Cinema fixes the shadow detail issue, but now the mid and bright tones are too dark and murky. Calibrating only the RGB sliders fixes the grayscale nicely but the trace is still much too dark, running at around a 2.7 average.
Thankfully Asus has included gamma presets. Selecting 1.8 will bring tracking down near 2.2 where it belongs. It's a pretty major shift in accuracy and one that has a significant effect on color saturation and luminance, which we'll show you below. There is excellent performance baked into the PG248Q. You just have to know how to unlock it.
I'd also suggest adjusting the monitor tilt if you're viewing the screen at an angle; e.g. looking down on it.
EDIT: You replied as I was typing that up.
What display are you coming from?
It sounds like you may not be used to a calibrated image, if the Tom's Hardware measurements are accurate.
If you want a "darker" image, use their settings but increase the gamma control on the display from 1.8 to 2.2 or 2.5. Don't mess with the NVIDIA color controls.
jim2point0
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I'm not saying the calibration is bad, just that the U3415W requires fewer tweaks to get it just right.
I just used the windows color calibration to create a slightly higher gamma profile.
No need to waste money on something that won't work with consoles, ever.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Why? G-Sync doesn't work with consoles.
Nope. Wait for next generation of TVs that should support HDMI 2.1 and variable refresh rate. Might be patched into consoles to work over HDMI 2.0.
in 2020 earliest.
Even with the BenQ, I notice a high amount of ghosting. That's the main reason I want to upgrade. 4K/HDR is secondary to my needs.
Script of the Bridge
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Acer Z271
So, I recently did a clean install of Windows 10 after the last upgrade killed my PC.
I've installed the NVidia drivers, but my ROG PG279 won't overclock properly! Whenever I set Overclocking to On all my desktop Windows disappear, and the monitor shows that it's at 60Hz instead of 165Hz. If I restart Windows, the monitor won't show anything, just black.
If I then go to the ROG's settings and disable Overclocking, it works. Once it's back to 144Hz (or lower) everything's fine.
I have an EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2. Overclocking worked properly before the re-install. 🤔
I've installed the NVidia drivers, but my ROG PG279 won't overclock properly! Whenever I set Overclocking to On all my desktop Windows disappear, and the monitor shows that it's at 60Hz instead of 165Hz. If I restart Windows, the monitor won't show anything, just black.
If I then go to the ROG's settings and disable Overclocking, it works. Once it's back to 144Hz (or lower) everything's fine.
I have an EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2. Overclocking worked properly before the re-install. 🤔
Script of the Bridge
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Though It's not a great answer, I can't tell the difference between 144hz and 165hz at all.
It turned out that as soon as I set the monitor to Overclock, windows would set it as the secondary display. I have an HDTV connected through HDMI, but it was off, so I didn't notice.
Changed it back to primary.
petran79
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Problem is that reaching 100+ fps for most modern games at 3440x1440 requires a 1080gtx and above. For HQ settings at least. 200fps are out of the question,unless I opt for SLI
thanks to this text i just bought the same monitor, rip wallet
terencecah
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Gsync is to monitors that ssd was to storage
Why force (NVCP) V-Sync? I leave it off and turn it off in every game. You don't need it.
There is FreeSync, but not one talks about it. Wish NVidia would stop being shitty and support it.
A G-Sync monitor is still out of my budget, but I'm still kind of in the dark about what benefits it holds over a 144 Hz monitor with Lightboost on, Fast Sync enabled in Nvidia Control Panel, and a GPU that can run almost all games in 1920x1080 well above 60 FPS and a lot of them over 100 FPS. If I'm already not seeing screen tearing or stuttering, what's the benefit of G-Sync at this point?
OriginalPoe
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I have a 16GB i7 1080Ti PC, and I finally saved up for a 144hz/1440p gsync monitor Been using it for about a month now and the topic title is absolutely true.
(TO BE CLEAR I am platform agnostic. Use AMD+freesync if you want. This tech is just... this is nearly incredible.)
The best way I can explain it is that even with vsync/60fps and a 980ti, Titanfall 2 looked like things... didn't flow smoothly like they do now when I would turn quickly. I turn off blur, bloom, etc, and can't stand tearing of any sort. I always had vsync on, and even tried the nvidia control panel vsync extra settings.
Some games' menus don't seem to respect the settings in the nvidia control panel, so weird flickering happens, but in my experience so far every game benefits from gsync.
(TO BE CLEAR I am platform agnostic. Use AMD+freesync if you want. This tech is just... this is nearly incredible.)
The best way I can explain it is that even with vsync/60fps and a 980ti, Titanfall 2 looked like things... didn't flow smoothly like they do now when I would turn quickly. I turn off blur, bloom, etc, and can't stand tearing of any sort. I always had vsync on, and even tried the nvidia control panel vsync extra settings.
Some games' menus don't seem to respect the settings in the nvidia control panel, so weird flickering happens, but in my experience so far every game benefits from gsync.
DizzyCaffeine
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Guys, I need help...
I have the Dell S2417DG and a Zotac 970. I started dicking around in the settings for the monitor and overclocked it to 165. I booted up Overwatch, the screen flashed, and then moved everything over to my secondary monitor and went black. I can't get the monitor working over Display Port at all! I tested the HDMI connection and that works, but when I switch to DP, the monitor shows up in Nvidia Control Panel, but I can't select it and turn it on.
So what's the most likely culprit? Software setting (please please please)? Bad DP cable? Bad DP port on the 970 (bad)? Or bad DP port on the monitor (very bad).
This sucks! Anyone run into anything like this before?
I have the Dell S2417DG and a Zotac 970. I started dicking around in the settings for the monitor and overclocked it to 165. I booted up Overwatch, the screen flashed, and then moved everything over to my secondary monitor and went black. I can't get the monitor working over Display Port at all! I tested the HDMI connection and that works, but when I switch to DP, the monitor shows up in Nvidia Control Panel, but I can't select it and turn it on.
So what's the most likely culprit? Software setting (please please please)? Bad DP cable? Bad DP port on the 970 (bad)? Or bad DP port on the monitor (very bad).
This sucks! Anyone run into anything like this before?
If you turn-off v-sync you'll get tearing when the frame rate is over the refresh rate of your monitor. Turning it on and also having g-sync enabled means that when the frame rate is over the refresh rate of your monitor v-sync will be engaged and you will not get tearing.
Personally I just lock my frame rate globally at 142 with RTSS.
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Vsync ON with Gsync ON on NVCP also acts as a frame smoother.
The BlurBusters article explains it in detail. Leave it on for the best experience.
LightBoost/ULMB have strict requirements for the framerate matching the refresh rate similar to VR's requirement of never dropping below 90 FPS - but VR can fall back on reprojection while LB/ULMB cannot. If it does not, you get very bad stutter and double images.
Fast Sync causes "microstutter" and requires that the framerate is at least 2x the refresh rate for a meaningful reduction in latency. It has to be much higher than that to match G-Sync.
The best option for reducing latency is to limit the framerate to 3 FPS below your refresh rate - but without G-Sync this will cause a noticeable stutter every second.
If you care about smoothness, the best you can do is use V-Sync and set the maximum pre-rendered frames option to 1.
"V-Sync" in the NVIDIA Control Panel acts as frame-time compensation when G-Sync is active.
If you have V-Sync disabled in the NVCP and in-game, you can get stuttering and tearing when the framerate is very close to the maximum refresh rate due to slight variances in frame-time.
You don't need to have V-Sync enabled in games, but it should be enabled in the NVIDIA Control Panel.
Since you want to prevent the game exiting the G-Sync range and switching over to regular V-Sync behavior, you should also limit the framerate to 3 FPS below your display's maximum refresh rate.
Without V-Sync enabled in the NVCP, this has to be more like 15-20 FPS below the maximum refresh rate.
In-game limiters are typically the lowest latency option, but not always, and not all games have the option.
RTSS is the next-lowest latency and it works nearly universally.
Limiting framerate via NVIDIA Profile Inspector adds as much latency as V-Sync, so there's no point to it.
You should be able to bring up the menus and disable the overclock even without an input to the monitor.
I'd also try another DisplayPort output on the GPU and see if that works.
I suspect that the issue here is that the cable can't handle the extra bandwidth, as my understanding was that the "overclock" here was simply that NVIDIA GPUs and G-Sync displays were built to go beyond the DisplayPort 1.2 spec, not that anything is actually being "overclocked" here.