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IT - Official Trailer 1
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elrechazado
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I haven't seen the miniseries in years, but I believe the manner of death was different too. In the book, Georgie's arm is torn off at the shoulder and he bleeds out and dies from the shock within seconds, witnessed by a neighbor.
MagnaderAlpha
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No doubt this movie will be better than anything Platinum Dunes would've done. Platinum Dunes's It would've condensed both parts of the book into one part, have the kids become "hot teenagers" played by actors in their 20s and 30s, the dialog would be cringewothy and make the characters sound like douchebags that you hate more and more every time they open their mouths, main focus will be put SOLELY on Bill and Bev (who'd be a "hot couple", Bev would get much ass shots) and the other might get killed off in slasher fashion (because its cool to see teens die in horror movies), color grade the SHIT out of the movie so it looks like someone pissed over the lens of the camera and such,
The manner of death is assumed to be the same in the miniseries, although it dissolves to another scene after Pennywise grabs his arm and turns into monster face.
The clown disguise fools younger children, and that's part of the reason he wears it, but he also just really likes being a clown.
Bobby Roberts
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Why is that assumed?
The book is built on the notion this diseased thing has been invested in an evilly symbiotic relationship with Derry for as long as its been there, basically. It's a corrupting influence, not a surprising/deceptive one.
The notion that he's legitimately fooling people, that the town really doesn't know what it's complicit in, robs the book of a lot of its power and horror. People, on a subconscious level at the least, know what this ugly motherfucker is. He's not hiding, really. He's not showing them his true self, no, but the self he's showing them is a purposefully perverted vision of innocence.
Reducing Pennywise and his influence to that of a sneaky serial killer getting one over on the unsuspecting parents (and children) of Derry weakens the story. He's an otherworldly being wearing people suits as a sick joke. He's mocking Derry as he feeds off it.
The notion that he should look as benign as possible doesn't make any sense to me. He shouldn't look like Tim Curry in a storebought clown costume with basic, clean makeup. His aesthetics shouldn't be defined by a shitty TV Movie from the early 90s. He should be weird and offputting. That's exactly what he is.
Vincent Alexander
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I am mostly with you. Deception isn't a word I would use with It, because trickery really isn't his game. Fear is. He doesn't appear like he does to pull one over on people, but instead appears as such in order to instill the most fear. As It himself says, people are more delicious the more afraid they are.
As for the townspeople, I still don't know what to think of them. They are absolutely aware of It on a subconscious level at least, but I've never been able to put my finger on why they don't do anything about it. But I actually really like that about King...he doesn't hold our hands. We can try to figure it out ourselves. Maybe some of these adults did try and they failed? Maybe they don't think anyone would believe them? Maybe they simply don't believe it themselves.
Yes. It is a haunting description. Even after all this time, I remember the part about Georgie lying in the road after his arm was ripped off and he bled to death...his lifeless eyes filling with rain. It was creepy as shit the way King detailed it.
Also, just to throw it out there, Georgie's imagination helped trick him. Pennywise says they have a carnival going on down there and describes it to Georgie, then suddenly Georgie is able to smell the cotton candy and popcorn.
mariachi507
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Bobby Roberts
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That was the exact detail that messed me up on first read.
mariachi507
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And now I've GOT to read the book. That was creepy just reading it on a forum.
I just finished the book, which I really enjoyed. I tried to watch the mini series, but thought it was terrible.
I couldn't help but laugh every time Bill tried to stutter and thought overall the acting was terrible. It reminded me of a middleschool / highschool play where it sounds like they are just reading lines they memorized. (if that makes any sense)
The audiobook is really well done. It is about 40 hours long though.
mariachi507
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Just YouTube all of Curry's scenes and save yourself hours.
I'll keep the audiobook in mind, thanks for the suggestion.
Isn't there a spate of missing kids at the start of the book that are assumed by the kids to also have been killed by Georgies killer? I think it's fair to say Pennywise was behind that. The post you are responding to never claimed the town was being fooled, just small kids.
Bobby Roberts
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But why assume that Pennywise was tricking them into being his food?
I'm not arguing that Pennywise isn't killing kids, because of course he is. I'm arguing that treating Pennywise as if he's a sneaky serial killer that's putting one over on people isn't accurate to what the character is shown to be over the course of the book. He's a sadistic monster who gets off on fucking people's heads up.
That's what's most twisted to me about Pennywise. He literally finds fear to be a flavor, the more afraid they are at the time of his attack, the more satisfying the meal.
Because I doubt that's the only time he's done that, but yeah he can also pretty much kill anyone he wants because the town's sort of complicit in it due to him being rooted in it like a WoW old god. But I don't see it as them actively feeding sacrifices to him as much as him being able to deflect their concern so long as he's at least somewhat subtle about it. If he was walking down the main street of Derry as a massive spider, that might be too much WTF to be overridden.
He doesn't have to use the clown to pull one over on people but it doesn't mean he won't if it's more convenient
More_Badass
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They fuckin' nailed that description, didn't they
More_Badass
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Yeah, I was reading that, and keep thinking how the pics looked like they ripped It right from King's prose, complete with the forehead and the sunken face and those gleaming eyes and deep sockets
Sho_Nuff82
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Well, that passage is describing
The Mummy-clown
More_Badass
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The way that passage is written makes it seem
that the clown's appearance just reminds him of a mummy, not that it actually taking the form of a mummy-clown hybrid
At least that's how I read it
Sho_Nuff82
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It's Pennywise as transformed into a Mummy, walking/climbing towards Ben on the frozen canal. In this case, Ben actually is almost lured in/numbed to the danger he's in until the town church bell goes off suddenly, and Pennywise looks up so he can see the "clown's" face. Then, all of the other mummy details suddenly fill in, including the bandages and decayed fingers, but he's still wearing the clown costume and holding the balloons. In all of his transformations, he still maintains a few hints of his original clown form for some reason. Same with Eddie's Leper, Mike's bird, and Richie's wolf. I think Bobby's "mocking perversion" describes it best.
Bobby Roberts
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I do wonder when we're gonna start hearing about preview screenings.
I'm also hoping I get assigned the preview screening here because my wife has already told me she's not fucking with any part of this movie. She has never liked IT and certainly does not like the trailers. So a preview screening is probably my best bet at catching this in a theater at all.
I'm also hoping I get assigned the preview screening here because my wife has already told me she's not fucking with any part of this movie. She has never liked IT and certainly does not like the trailers. So a preview screening is probably my best bet at catching this in a theater at all.
You can't watch it without her once it comes out?
Bobby Roberts
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I mean, I could, yeah. But prefer going to movies with her and making a night of it if I can. Usually if I have the sort of free time that lets me hit up a movie, it's free time I'd like to be spending doing stuff with her.
Just go with me, Bobby. My wife hates horror movies too.
Yep, less than a month now.
More_Badass
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Early in the book, at the part where
Since this version is set in the 80s, I wonder
Eddie gets his head ripped off by the Creature from the Black Lagoon
Since this version is set in the 80s, I wonder
what/if forms they'll have in the movie. Will they just be generic creatures and forms, or stuff like Exorcist's Regan, Cujo, things from Poltergeist, etc.
Any idea when the first screenings/impressions/reviews will start appearing?
Good question. Trailers have kept it mostly under wraps, but they said they were going to avoid the classic monsters since those aren't the fears we associate with monsters anymore.
I guess "modern" boogeymen would be like the creature from Alien, Michael Meyers, Freddy Krueger, or Jason Vorhees, but those are obviously tied up with studio rights.
I expect them to go more generic but also cerebral, but to also play up the clown appearances. While that's not entirely faithful to the book, the book itself was responsible for vastly upping the public's fear of clowns to be more mainstream.
Kyleripman
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I also think that if you have to deviate from the source material, this isn't a bad place to do it. It will let them have some fun and give us a few surprises. As long as they establish why Pennywise is assuming a given form (i.e., show us why the character in question is afraid of that particular thing), it could work well.
DiipuSurotu
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I have no idea how film rights work but since the film is produced by New Line Cinema and distributed by Warner Bros, it would be cool if they could use borrow some monster from those catalogues.
Bobby Roberts
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I bet they gloss over that whole bit. It might play as too referential? If it feels less like "we're scaring the kids" and more like "we're winking through the fourth wall" I could see em just flat out avoiding it.
More_Badass
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I was mainly picking ones owned by Warner Bros from the 70s and 80s
But I think having cameo forms might work in the book but would detract from the horror on-screen
Pretty much. King mentions he just wanted to do a book with all his favorite monsters in it for kicks, but the fact is It assumes the form of fears each character has, and that potential is LIMITLESS and does not necessarily have to reflect common, pop culture monsters.
When I was a kid - outside of clowns - I feared ghosts and demons. I would be camping in the woods and my mind would race with the conceptions of laughing phantoms in the dark ready to pounce when I went to sleep. I was scared of the Headless Horseman and I remember wondering where bridges were that I could flee to for safety lest I lose my head, and that's as specific as it got.
But fears can manifest in many forms. Fear of abuse, authority figures, body horror, loneliness and isolation, heights, hell... Kids tend to give form to their fears the easiest, but working backwards from there to find a form for these phobias shouldn't be terribly difficult.
One of my favorite scenes in the book, absolutely gruesome, but I think it might be a hard sell in a movie. Eddie
can't even believe what's happening to him and rationally thinks that this monster must just be a man in a costume, reaching for a zipper on his back even as it rips off his head
I think the
leper
Mrs. Kersh
as pennywise instead of the giant eyeball
More_Badass
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They got Javier Botet as
the leper
More_Badass
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King does a fantastic job at showing the bond between the friends and how friendships form; he's always good at diving into those intimacies, but he really nails it here. Again, hoping the movie gets that right, that's crucial
The MTV clip at least proved to me that the actors they got for the kids have the chemistry needed to get close to the target here. Right now I am actually wondering how well they will do with Bowers' gang, and maintaining that high level of threat. It's the last question mark for me at this point, since I think Bill looks to be doing God's work with Pennywise, and the kids seem to be on track.
CrichtonKicks
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This is the bit that most film adaptations of King's work miss. Filmmakers seem to focus on the awful, gruesome stuff but King is equally adept at making you care so much for the characters that when the bad stuff happens it hits you that much harder.
I think that's why Shawshank and The Green Mile stand out among his film works. Darabont is one of the few to present the characters in a way that makes us root for them against all of the evil surrounding them.
I've been watching interviews with King on "IT" and he mentions this. Sure, his stuff is graphic and gory at times, but that's not good horror. You have to build up empathy and sympathy for the characters, get to know them as people, before you tease them with the loss and terror to come.
I re-read the opening chapters of "IT" the other day and it's brilliant as a sample of this. It could literally be a short story of Georgie, since he's the "protagonist" of those chapters, showing his bond with his brother and how much he values him while wishing he could grow up out of his childish fears. Then, LONG before you get to the storm drain scene, King just outright says Georgie was heading towards his "strange death" by doing so and you know immediately this kid's going to die and now you're wondering how and, perhaps, hoping King was misleading you or misspoke and that a twist is coming. Only it doesn't. We know the kid never comes back alive when he leaves the house and that tension in finding out the details is horrifying since the previous paragraphs were all about how how close he was to his brother Bill.
When you care for a character, you want them to survive, and when a character you care about dies, you then know that any one of them, no matter who, could be next.
More_Badass
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Also you're thinking about how Bill will be affected since he establishes their relationship and all that. As an older brother, that opening chapter hit hard
King is a master at that, and weaving in details about the setting and time period and family lives at the same time, often using those details to further flesh out the character's relationships and personalities. It's really impressive how he can simultaneously world-build and establish character/emotional beats.
I love this style in IT. There are plenty of other aspects of the story that are "spoiled" for the reader before the scene occurs where they actually happen, due to the nonlinear story telling. The book spirals in on itself and fills in the blanks.
Probably a few weeks from now, like 3 maybe.
God I would kill for this to be in the movie, that section of the book was, and is, truly terrifying
MagnaderAlpha
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I think the part with Eddie Corcoran is, to many fans of the novel, one of the "favorite" parts of the novel, along with everything Neibolt Street and Patrick Hockstetter. I also like how the monsters in the novel appear "like" their movie counterparts, but also different. Eddie Corcoran's
Creature of the Black Lagoon looked different than the one in the movie, had white egg-like eyes and a fin-like mohawk.
Mummy also looked older, more ancient than the movie's version, with cracked skin, bone shown through those cracks, empty sockets for eyes with glint of something shining from deep within
As for the monsters, I think the writers said this will focus more on psychological fear, but I kinda think back to the 80s and y'know, if you were a kid in the 80s, which was RIPE with great horror movies, chances are you WOULD still be afraid of guys like Freddy, Jason, Pinhead, Chucky and such. The 1980s was horror heaven.
In the book, It's forms reflected both both "famed monsters" AND more psychological fears. Sure, he appeared as all the famous horror monsters that those kids would've been familiar with (they loved watching and getting scared of monster movies), a LOT of times it took the form of "dead people"
like Georgie, Dorsey Corcoran, Belch, Vic, Patrick Hockstetter, Greta Bowie, Tony Tracker, and the boys that drowned in the Standpipe.
Patrick's leeches, Mike's Bird, and Eddie's Leper.
Galactic Specter
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The IT preview that played before Annabelle: Creation leaked, Skarsgard sounds good as Pennywise.
Got a link?