Secret of Mana Remake (PC/Vita/PS4, February 15th, 2018) Trailer
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Not a fan of the graphic style but if they fix the jankiness of the original's combat and maybe make spell leveling not as grindy, I'd be in. What I'd really love is a remake with the content cut when the original moved off the SNES CD to cartridge.
You guys should remove the rose tinted glasses.
Judging from these particular screens the snes version looks extremely flat(some architectural elements aren't easy to decipher) and dark, the 2d android version looks more vibrant, with more depth and closer to a 32 bit game and the new version looks flat because of the lack of shadows and darker tones, if they didn't do such mistakes it would have looked way better.
I don't think that they're going to improve the faults you mentioned, so you can't give it credit for things it's not doing, and even if they did it would still be missing a ton of detail from the original version. To me the original art has a strange quality where locations like this look like they're frozen in time, as if this really is a magic castle that's been floating in darkness undisturbed for a thousand years. I don't get that from this remake at all; almost all the subtleties are gone. Like I said, it seems like a very cheap effort, which is not what you'd expect from the $40 price.
It's blurry because it's a bad screengrab. If it were upscaled using nearest neighbor or CRT filtered it would look a lot better. The shadowing isn't as complex as the Android version, but it does have more depth and complexity than the remake in the shape of the caste wall, how it looks like it's rounded in parts, and in terms of the details like the borders around the windows and the ribbed lines that protrude out in places. The remake brings over the bare minimum of detail from the original; it's very simple N64 or even PS1 level geometry with some basic texturework over it. They really didn't spend the time to capture every detail and as a result a PS4 game has less to see than a game from a system 24 years ago.
I'm not thrilled to see them cutting corners like that. They'd have to really overhaul the gameplay and fix a lot of the shortcomings the game has for me to want this, because I do think the original looks more aesthetically appealing.
WickedLaharl
Member
Nope no noway. Not gonna fuck up my nostalgia with an ugly demake. The game gave a 13 year old me the feels back when it came out.
DarknessTear
Banned
FlashbladeGAF
Member
We are used to cartoony looking a little more vibrant from Secret of Mana
Was hoping for a evolved versions of this
(images from Secret of Mana 2 - SNES)
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The remake models are ok. They look like a simplified version of the artwork.
I just wish they did a little bit more to the visuals than just the bare minimum.
But then again this was targeted for Vita.
So... I guess it's better than nothing?
CloudStrife_ca
Member
This is going to be a PS Vita purchase forsure, my poor Vita (and everyone else's) needs some new content and this is definitely it. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to the Nintendo Switch later, how could it not...
Wii Virtual Console.
In english? Wii VC. Or you can murder your way into securing a SNES mini in a month.
doctorcdcs
Member
Thanks for that! It's now my phone wallpaper!
Yeah definitively limited by vita...
I understand that you prefer a darker castle like in the original, i give you that, but other than that there's no way you can say the snes version looks better than the 2d android version, at least judging by those screens.
The 3d version is clearly based on the 2d android version, so its details are faithful to that.
Simply the best Mana game ever?
You should definetely play it. Unless you don't like action-rpgs.
Lumpy Onion
Member
Great news to hear. SD2 is my favorite in the series. Digging the bright and colorful 3D characters.
We had this 17 years ago ...
sigh
I wonder how much games like LoM and SF2 cost to develop back in those days, and how much would they cost today for that matter. Such pretty scenery.
Leafhopper
Banned
Make sure to preorder for that... swimsuit DLC...
Lol.
Disliked the look of this last night before going to bed. After sleeping and working out, i decided to return and evaluate again. I still think the look is so disappointing, especially after seeing the images of Seiken Densetsu 3 above. I think Seiken Densetsu 3 is arguably the most beautiful game ever, so for this remake of SoM to look so bad, well, it is highly disappointing. I really dislike how SE can spend massive amounts of money on mediocre titles like FF15, yet they can't even put just a little bit more effort into making a remake of SoM (which is a much better game) look better than this. What a shame.
The Mana games don't exactly have a massive fanbase, while FF does.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Im sorry for not combing through 12 pages but is local multiplayer confirmed for the PS4 version?
Of course. I didn't mean that the games should have equal budgets, but I do wish this remake didn't look so generic. I'm just gonna stick with my SNES cart that I still have from years ago.
Yeah, the only modern games that have wowed me with their in-game art in that way are Child of Light and Ori and the Blind Forest. Those games are also gorgeous.
lyrick
Member
Yeah definitively limited by vita...
Yeah that game kind of looks like shit too, especially since it's a strategy title without much action going on. This game looks like it's being designed for a 5 or so year old mobile device, just like it's predecessor Adventures of Mana.
Make sure to preorder for that... swimsuit DLC...
Seeing that pre-order image really took the shine out of thinking about a pre-order. Thanks, Square!
DarknessTear
Banned
You could just... not use them.
Nick Van Excel
Banned
Looks like ass but it's still got me excited. I'm happy to see some attention brought to the Seiken Densetsu series
Pilgrimzero
Member
When's my updated Secret of Evermore?
SinCityAssassin
Member
That's literally a stylistic choice they carried over from Adventures of Mana on mobile, they ain't "fixing" any of it.
sixteen-bit
Member
and have Jeremy Soule reprise his role on soundtrack duties
Tarextherex
Banned
It looks like freaking FFIII/IV on DS but with a higher resolution. Might as well put it on 3DS
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Yes you are literally the only one in this whole planet.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Maybe calling it cheap is a little much, but it's clear this series remake project, helpful as it can be, is limited by money and manpower. At least Secret of Mana's look transfer better to 3D than the first Seiken Densetsu...those screens of Adventures of Mana aren't pretty in the slightest. Way more texture detail and, I presume, better animations will help here. I hope this remake can fix many of the original's flaws and mechanical issues while still keeping the right tone/storytelling. Music will at least be interesting since the likes of Kenji Ito and Noriyuki Kamikura are the arrangers among others.
What I really want is that Seiken Densetsu collection ported by M2, but with SD3 in English. There's no question they could hack a new and/or revised licensed fan translation in.
What I really want is that Seiken Densetsu collection ported by M2, but with SD3 in English. There's no question they could hack a new and/or revised licensed fan translation in.