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[Angry Grimace]

All I'm saying if that if 5,000 people got shot tomorrow, gun nuts would come up with some cockamamie excuse, e.g. "well if those 5,000 people also had guns they would have fought them off," e.g. the same bullshit power fantasy that all gun nuts have where they have a delusional self-assessment of their combat skills.

I feel safer in my house with my pink girl's tee ball bat than I would with a gun, really. (yes, that is my self defense weapon)

 

[Piggus]

Their fault for buying into an industry built on straight up massacring people. No one forced them to waste their money and support mass murder. The blood of all these victims from these shootings is on the hands of all the pro-gunners and NRA supporters.

You're speaking as if the 2nd amendment repeal already happened when in reality it's fantasy legislation that will never happen, at least not in our lifetimes. There are already gun regulations in the US, such as the NFA registry, that would by highly effective if applied to all guns. What's the point of wasting energy on talk of a ban when that isn't even a consensus view among DEMOCRATS, let alone the country as a whole?

 

[blackflag]

He replied to me, and I only discussed confiscating guns obtained illegally.

Like how Chicago PD confiscate crazy amounts of guns brought in from the suburbs every year.

Ok my bad. I misunderstood then.

 

[maladroit]

Are animal hordes attacking your house? Where do you live?

The question was "Why does any home need an armory of that scale?" Your response was irrelevant.

Don't ask where people live lol

Do you live in Fallout 3?

I always find it fascinating when people unintentionally relay that they don't understand life existing outside of like fucking Seattle or whatever. Where do you clowns think your food comes from?

 

[Typical]

I'm 30yrs old and have never seen a gun in real life and am managing just fine. Live in a pretty high crime area in the uk too.

So don't buy the whole we can't outright ban guns argument. Quite frankly think the US's obsession with guns is pathetic and uncivilised.

 

[Tobor]

Brother says he's not an "avid" gun owner yet they find 18 guns at his house

He said “that I know of”.

The brother was very clear about what he said, let’s not misconstrue his words.

 

[Chuck Norris]

How do you outlaw guns and collect them all, from potential criminals and law abiding citizens alike? Aren't there like half a billion guns in the US?

I just don't see it working or ever happening so what is the alternative? I'm down for common sense regulations.

You do a gun buyback program, confiscate the remaining illegal guns over time and prohibit the purchase of new guns

It wouldn't be overnight but over time the presence of guns in society would dramatically reduce

 

[Gigglepoo]

The blood of all these victims from these shootings is on the hands of all the pro-gunners and NRA supporters.

Copy. Paste. Repeat.

Even if you've never committed a crime, if you still support guns, you're complicit in the murder, death, and injury of thousands of people each year. Full stop. How many people have to die before you decide this "freedom" isn't worth the extremly high price?

 

[Zenner]

Introduce a modernized version of the old Militia Acts, with the Feds giving guidelines, responsibilities & obligations to be maintained at the State level. You get to own your guns, while under the auspice of the "well-regulated militia" that the NRA loves to forget about.

I don't see that passing, but it'd be a better shot than a straight-out 2nd Amendment repeal.

 

[andythinkpad]

Oh. Okay. So he WAS alive immediately prior to police entry? That is not trying to toss shade on the police, just making sure that there might not have been another guy who left another dead body and got a clean get away. This is whack. Why would an old man do this? Dude was retirement age. Something this crazy, there ought to have been signs the size of HOLLYWOOD.

Take some Millennials along with him to permanent retirement. I donno, that's my best guess.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Mass killings like these always brings out the "sane gun owner" who insists there's nothing abnormal or wrong with owning dozens of hi-caliber military -grade assault rifles. Fuck right off with that bullshit!

Hey bro, they aren't military grade and they aren't assault rifles. Here let me link a video explaining the difference. Oh wait it doesn't matter.

 

[Forward]

Mass killings like these always brings out the "sane gun owner" who insists there's nothing abnormal or wrong with owning dozens of hi-caliber military -grade assault rifles. Fuck right off with that bullshit!

It is a crazy that goes hand in hand with having an absolutely enormous standing army, ready to impose itself wherever its commanders tell it to... including here.

This is an anti-gun post btw.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm 30yrs old and have never seen a gun in real life and am managing just fine. Live in a pretty high crime area in the uk too.

So don't buy the whole we can't outright ban guns argument. Quite frankly think the US's obsession is pathetic and uncivilised.

The problem is that it's been drilled into our heads since before anyone alive was born that guns are YOUR RIGHT therefore they hold onto them with a force that isn't really warranted.

And again, people have a very self-inflated sense of their combat skills and believe that they're going to fend off an attacker when in reality they're probably more likely to shoot themselves in the leg.

 

[JaseMath]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

EDIT: Also, I hope hotel check-ins don't develop TSA-levels of craziness.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

CNN BREAKING: Police say they retrieved 18 firearms, explosives, and several thousand rounds of ammunition from shooter's home.

https://twitter.com/vplus/status/914974016447959041

this is in addition to the hotel room

Some people like collecting things.

 

[Piggus]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

How would know that someone bringing their luggage into a hotel has a bunch of guns?

 

[Gigglepoo]

Some people like collecting things.

He didn't have a criminal record!

 

[sflufan]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

What do you typically carry with you when you enter a hotel?

 

[eot]

I have a 1930s Winchester rifle worth approximately $5000 that was handed down to me. What kind of "refund" do you think they would give me?

You or others can just say "tough luck" or whatever, but questions like this have to be answered if you want a buyback program to be successful in the US following a hypothetical 2nd amendment repeal. The government would have to offer appraised value or better for people to really care. How do you appraise 300+ million guns?

One gun at a time.
And if it's just a showpiece of historical interest then I'm sure it can be neutered in some way instead of being destroyed.

 

[Mahonay]

CNN BREAKING: Police say they retrieved 18 firearms, explosives, and several thousand rounds of ammunition from shooter's home.

https://twitter.com/vplus/status/914974016447959041

this is in addition to the hotel room

Some people like collecting things.

But my hobby

 

[blackflag]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

He was there for awhile. Guns aren't that big or that heavy. He could bring a suitcase in with a few, empty it, and go get more. They don't check at those hotels, I used to live there and have never seen metal detectors outside of some of the clubs or concert arenas.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I would say no guns but black people need a way to protect themselves from people who want us dead. Yeah we need gun control Obama tried his term but the racist NRA. Just watch how the media treat this when they talk about gun control. They will deflect like always.

Dude, Obama did basically nothing.

There's a reason for it: because gun control is generally a trap issue for Democrats because liberal politicians don't actually care about gun violence and the public at large supports gun ownership as an American right. The biggest reason there won't be a change is because the controlling party explicitly supports the NRA and the minority party implicitly supports the NRA by not giving an actual shit.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

In non descript bags?

Like I don't know if you're suspecting he just walked through with ten automatic rifles hanging round his shoulder or whatever, but I don't think I've ever been in a hotel that checked your luggage for weapons.

 

[mike6467]

The problem is that it's been drilled into our heads since before anyone alive was born that guns are YOUR RIGHT therefore they hold onto them with a force that isn't really warranted.

And again, people have a very self-inflated sense of their combat skills and believe that they're going to fend off an attacker when in reality they're probably more likely to shoot themselves in the leg.

You leave Plexico Burress alone.

Seriously though there is a delusion that you're going to be the guy who sneaks up on the bad guy and saves the day, or like I said earlier, that a group of gun owners is going to turn into a SWAT team when something happens. It's romanticized to an absurd degree.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

Its Vegas plus mix multiple days and trips to car. People are carrying heavy bags of all kinds of shit.

Dude, Obama did basically nothing.

There's a reason for it: because gun control is generally a trap issue for Democrats because liberal politicians don't actually care about gun violence and the public at large supports gun ownership as an American right. The biggest reason there won't be a change is because the controlling party explicitly supports the NRA and the minority party implicitly supports the NRA by not giving an actual shit.

It is political suicide to call for gun control as a Democrat and a non-starter for Republicans.

 

[Forward]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

You'd think the bellboy would have said something...

That's a lot of weight and bulk to stealth up 32 floors.

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

Oftentimes videos from tragedies like this are brief and visually incoherent, but not this one. You clearly see people being shot in several videos that are circulating the news. Very unnerving to actually see that happen.

 

[99Luffy]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

Why would they. Could be his dj equipmemt in crates for all they know.

 

[Frostman]

I'm 30yrs old and have never seen a gun in real life and am managing just fine. Live in a pretty high crime area in the uk too.

So don't buy the whole we can't outright ban guns argument. Quite frankly think the US's obsession with guns is pathetic and uncivilised.

Pretty much how I feel about this. Also from the UK.

 

[Mahonay]

One gun at a time.
And if it's just a showpiece of historical interest then I'm sure it can be neutered in some way instead of being destroyed.

Exactly.

 

[eshwaaz]

Latest Olbermann doesn't offer a new take, but still perspective that bears repeating as much as possible: The Resistance

 

[Chuck Norris]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

EDIT: Also, I hope hotel check-ins don't develop TSA-levels of craziness.

Don't worry, they will now. Rather than addressing the root of the issue, America will police checkins to hotels

 

[soldat7]

I always find it fascinating when people unintentionally relay that they don't understand life exitsing outside of like fucking Seattle or whatever. Where do you clowns think your food comes from?

From guns, of course.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

The problem is that it's been drilled into our heads since before anyone alive was born that guns are YOUR RIGHT therefore they hold onto them with a force that isn't really warranted.

And again, people have a very self-inflated sense of their combat skills and believe that they're going to fend off an attacker when in reality they're probably more likely to shoot themselves in the leg.

And American media (movies, TV, video games) can easily be blamed here too, but that's too far gone. Any action genre will glorify guns to hell and back and that doesn't help in reducing the popularity of gun use.

 

[JaseMath]

In non descript bags?

Like I don't know if you're suspecting he just walked through with ten automatic rifles hanging round his shoulder or whatever, but I don't think I've ever been in a hotel that checked your luggage for weapons.

Obviously not. I don't own any guns, but then again, I don't know how big of bags a person needs for nearly a dozen rifles and 6,000 rounds of ammo. I was literally just curious.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

So many fucking lives ruined

 

[Angry Chair]

People do use AR15s to hunt. Prohibition didn’t work and banning drugs didn’t work and banning firearms also won’t work. Anyway a real assault rifle is select fire and barely anyone in the country actually owns them due to high cost and high regulation of them. Regular AR15s are semi automatic

I was born and raised in a hunting family and can say with 100% certainty that anyone using ARs to hunt are fucking morons. There is no sane argument for allowing the public to own any kind of assault rifle. Bolt-action rifles (though I consider them unsporting), shotguns, and muzzleloaders are all the public needs. I'm wishy-washy on handguns as I see their purpose but too many people are killed by them for me to protect them.

 

[lenovox1]

You'd think the bellboy would have said something...

That's a lot of weight and bulk to stealth up 32 floors.

Why would he need a bellboy if he drove there and he took multiple trips to his room? (There are self parking structures at all Las Vegas casinos.)

 

[JetBlackPanda]

He had explosives? Is that bombs? Or are they counting some kind of ammo or exploding target? What is going on.

 

[WesternHeretic]

Has their been surveillance footage of this guy? How do you get that much firepower through a hotel lobby without someone thinking something fishy is afoot? Dude had so much...

EDIT: Also, I hope hotel check-ins don't develop TSA-levels of craziness.

Have you ever been to Vegas or any hotel in the U.S for that matter? No one checks your luggage. He could of just drag it around along like it was regular luggage full of clothes.

Get to his room, put on a do not dsistrub sign at the door and then set up shop.

 

[Tobor]

Obviously not. I don't own any guns, but then again, I don't know how big of bags a person needs for nearly a dozen rifles and 6,000 rounds of ammo. I was literally just curious.

If the rifles could be broken down, as is likely here, you could carry all that in 3 large suitcases.

 

[lawnchair]

I always find it fascinating when people unintentionally relay that they don't understand life existing outside of like fucking Seattle or whatever. Where do you clowns think your food comes from?

this made me chuckle. thank you.

 

[Oriel]

I always find it fascinating when people unintentionally relay that they don't understand life existing outside of like fucking Seattle or whatever. Where do you clowns think your food comes from?

I live in a rural area and guess what, I've no need to fend off all the nastiness that Mother Nature has to offer. Jesus.....

Hey bro, they aren't military grade and they aren't assault rifles. Here let me link a video explaining the difference. Oh wait it doesn't matter.

Quite. This.....

...is military-grade, even if it "only" shoots one bullet every trigger squeeze.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Some people like collecting things.

But my hobby

Grow up. And in the end, people will continue to have firearms. Don't take your anger or frustration out on me for answering a question someone posted.

 

[Gutek]

People do use AR15s to hunt. Prohibition didn’t work and banning drugs didn’t work and banning firearms also won’t work. Anyway a real assault rifle is select fire and barely anyone in the country actually owns them due to high cost and high regulation of them. Regular AR15s are semi automatic

Explain every other first world country then.

 

[Esiquio]

This thread of course is the exact same as every mass shooting thread. "Fuck you I love my gun why should I give it up just because thousands are maimed and murdered."

I get this, man, I really do, and I understand the frustration. But remember that 86 people were murdered and and 434 were injured with a damn truck in Nice, France a year ago. And there were several attacks with vehicles in the UK this year as well...how do you propose we tackle this issue, and weigh in things like the fact that vehicles are killing more people than guns?

It's sad, but if you go out to any crowded area...anywhere, a train station, beach, concert, whatever, and think for a moment just how vulnerable everyone is, you really start to realize how almost impossible it is to stop someone who wants to kill a group of people from doing it.

 

[dark_quota]

Don't worry, they will now. Rather than addressing the root of the issue, America will police checkins to hotels

I would argue that both adaptation and mitigation strategies should be employed.

 

[Chuck Norris]

And American media (movies, TV, video games) can easily be blamed here too, but that's too far gone. Any action genre will glorify guns to hell and back and that doesn't help in reducing the popularity of gun use.

Canada and Australia are exposed to all the same media but don't have a massive issue with gun violence

 

[Forward]

If the rifles could be broken down, as is likely here, you could carry all that in 3 large suitcases.

How long had he been there? Logistics and whatnot.

 

[legacyzero]

"Ammonium Nitrate"

Jesus