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[Mahadev]

I think the point they're making is Maher is LINO (Liberal in Name Only). Many gaffers don't consider him a liberal.

I do think Maher's a liberal. I also think Rogan and H3h3, both men who use SJW are also liberal. But again, that's another thing many GAF posters won't agree on.

Also Destiny, the Starcraft/LoL streamer and the person who debated/exposed Jontron is a liberal and hates SJWs and uses the term but not enough Gaffers post about him for me to judge whether he's a true liberal or not.

That's partly my point. Anyone who disagrees with their ideology is painted as an enemy, as a Trump supporter, as a Nazi and so on. It's a circular argument, people who say SJW aren't liberals because liberals would never say SJW -> Therefore there are no liberals that say SJW

H3H3 is a prime example of people that became "alt-right" overnight because they started criticizing that culture.

No you made the claim they invented the term and use it in some common capacity. Then you called me out for not posting definitive proof while doing just that yourself. Don't project so much.

The invented part is known amongst the older generations that witnessed the term being created; speaking of Bill Maher he has also mentioned that in his monologues. That wasn't my main argument though and you know it, the argument was about painting anyone using the term as a Trump supporter which like I said I proved.

 

[Majukun]

https://imgur.com/a/mWYq8#YgguFL

Get a grip.

i don't know,being in the internet and knowing how easy is to modify a simle post to make it say whatever you want, I don't know if i can consider these true ..were this post public or in a mod-only thread?

 

[IISANDERII]

I honestly think this may be one of the best things to happen to this site. Don't get me wrong but the loss of so many excellent moderators is awful but the good thing is that so many people are outing themselves as the braindead morons they are.
And if it keeps going, there won't be need for moderating team of the previous size.

 

[KojiKnight]

This as well. Sexual allegations should always be taken seriously, but shouldn’t the person accused have a chance to defend themselves? Wait for the evidence to present itself, and if there’s truth to those allegations then we will find out.

I mean, he has made his defense. As for evidence, there won't be any. Just a he said, she said. So it's up to each person to decide for themselves which they think is more believable.

 

[mrklaw]

I mean, he has made his defense. As for evidence, there won't be any. Just a he said, she said. So it's up to each person to decide for themselves which they think is more believable.

Personally in such a situation I don’t think it makes sense to ‘believe’ either side - we simply don’t have the information to properly do that. The victim should be supported to carry out any actions she feels makes sense - including filing charges - and then let more qualified people make the final decision.

Victim shaming is terrible, but I don’t think wanting to hold off crucifying the supposed perpetrator means we side with them, we just don’t have the information to decide.

 

[Outrun]

I honestly think this may be one of the best things to happen to this site. Don't get me wrong but the loss of so many excellent moderators is awful but the good thing is that so many people are outing themselves as the braindead morons they are.
And if it keeps going, there won't be need for moderating team of the previous size.

The amount of people that have shown themselves NOT to believe in Due Process is incredible.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

You mean I won't be banned for saying Hillary is a hawkish neocon who ran a terrible campaign?

The humanity.

 

[spwolf]

No, this is not an account suicide, so don't ban me.

I have been reading and watching some youtube videos regarding the recent development regarding NeoGAF.

To be quite honest, it just feels wrong.

I am talking about people trying to take advantage of this weak moment of this forum trying to promote their own forums (whether it is existing forum, not entirely new forum just made over the weekend). Sure, I can see that it could be a good business to try to get some of the members from GAF but it does show that these people who criticize GAF is really just kicking it while it is down and more over, trying to benefit from it.

I mean, even people here do it/did it, like the mods making new forums to replace this one.

I really wish we have an OT forum to discuss non gaming stuff like this one here...but I guess we will have to wait.

and if it is an appropriate, then delete it, but don't delete me obviously

Lots of hate comes from people who were banned previously.

It also gets me to question future of humanity.

 

[Claude Augario]

People saying the exodus is a good thing are completely delusional. Half of sales-age disappeared overnight. A good portion of the OT communities were wiped out and aren't coming back under the new rules. Most of the people and cornerstones that elevated this forum beyond console and framerate wars are crumbling. I don't think GAF is "finished" but it will never be the same and is already a worse version of itself. There's nothing to celebrate unless you're a gator that wanted to see everything burn.

 

[Freeman76]

If the mods will be as strict as before...anyone misbehaving will be removed I would assume..

Or maybe they should do a freeze on accepting new accounts.

Highlighting another problem, anonymous mods on a site where there has never been any coherence in the first place. The GAF name will only get worse

 

[NinjaMouse]

https://imgur.com/a/mWYq8#YgguFL

Get a grip.

This is precisely the type of stuff that really had me boiling on GAF most days. It really seemed to have devolved into a small few mods pushing their own agenda instead of what’s actually good for the board and its intended context. It became very clear who the “cool kids” were and how they trampled on pretty much everyone else regrardless of the discussion.

If GAF were to stay offline for good, there’s no way I’d migrate to another board. GAF is one of the few boards that actually performs fast and is great for viewing on mobile.

 

[HStallion]

The invented part is known amongst the older generations that witnessed the term being created; speaking of Bill Maher he has also mentioned that in his monologues. That wasn't my main argument though and you know it, the argument was about painting anyone using the term as a Trump supporter which like I said I proved.

No you mainly seem to be pushing your own obvious agenda and lying to suit it. I also enjoy that to back up your lack of real evidence for your claim with just another nebulous source. Bravo!

 

[Any Questions]

As of 20 mins after Gaf coming back online there were 194,845 members listed on the front page, 2 hours later it had dropped by 104, as of now it's gone UP to 195,002, go figure lol.

I think it will be fine, now lets go to the Winchester for a pint and wait for this to blow over.

Only place to be in an apocalypse.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Personally in such a situation I don't think it makes sense to ‘believe' either side - we simply don't have the information to properly do that. The victim should be supported to carry out any actions she feels makes sense - including filing charges - and then let more qualified people make the final decision.

Victim shaming is terrible, but I don't think wanting to hold off crucifying the supposed perpetrator means we side with them, we just don't have the information to decide.

Aye. I really have no idea. I don't know much about EL, I have never heard of Ima, I have no way to judge who is right and who is wrong. I'm not calling her out by any means but I also don't think there is enough there to justify trying to fuck over him, not that Ima seems to be asking for that anyway.

 

[remist]

i don't know,being in the internet and knowing how easy is to modify a simle post to make it say whatever you want, I don't know if i can consider these true ..were this post public or in a mod-only thread?

They are PMs with a user named jado. jado leaked them in an off topic thread which at least until recently was still accessible. They deleted the images and closed the thread with a message that acknowledged the veracity of the PMs with a half hearted promise to do better. After that any and all references to them were banned and nuked by besada.

 

[leeh]

Personally in such a situation I don’t think it makes sense to ‘believe’ either side - we simply don’t have the information to properly do that. The victim should be supported to carry out any actions she feels makes sense - including filing charges - and then let more qualified people make the final decision.

Victim shaming is terrible, but I don’t think wanting to hold off crucifying the supposed perpetrator means we side with them, we just don’t have the information to decide.

This and only this.

The internet needs to get off its high-horse and let the system deal with it.

 

[HStallion]

This and only this.

The internet needs to get off its high-horse and let the system deal with it.

Yeah because the system really nailed guys like Harvey Weinstein.

 

[leeh]

Yeah because the system really nailed guys like Harvey Weinstein.

Well it's starting to now.

It didn't before because people were too afraid to speak out, that's not the system failing, that's the lack of confidence women feel to speak out about powerful people like this.

Everyone should support and encourage women to speak out about more powerful men and not feel anxious/ashamed.

 

[Out 1]

fuck neogaf

EL, get help

 

[Mahadev]

No you mainly seem to be pushing your own obvious agenda and lying to suit it. I also enjoy that to back up your lack of real evidence for your claim with just another nebulous source. Bravo!

You did it again.

That wasn't my main argument though and you know it, the argument was about painting anyone using the term as a Trump supporter which like I said I proved.

This was completely ignored so instead you continued focusing on something you can criticize that had little impact to my actual argument. Congrats on the intellectual dishonesty but it has become really tiring. Cya.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Well it's starting to now.

It didn't before because people were too afraid to speak out, that's not the system failing, that's the lack of confidence women feel to speak out about powerful people like this.

Everyone should support and encourage women to speak out about more powerful men and not feel anxious/ashamed.

And then guiltlessly give ad revenue to one of those powerful men.

 

[leeh]

And then guiltlessly give ad revenue to one of those powerful men.

Evilore powerful? Come off it, he runs a large gaming forum.

It doesn't make the situation better, but I'd rather form an opinion based on the outcome of the justice system rather than social media posts.

 

[Ponn]

Well it's starting to now.

It didn't before because people were too afraid to speak out, that's not the system failing, that's the lack of confidence women feel to speak out about powerful people like this.

Everyone should support and encourage women to speak out about more powerful men and not feel anxious/ashamed.

So how does the “internet getting off its high horse” exactly help that aspect that the “system” can’t help? Who’s left to support women, all these people that just wanna talk about games?

 

[GeordieMark]

Yeah because the system really nailed guys like Harvey Weinstein.

It got him in the end.

What do you suggest? The system is flawed, but nobody is proposing an alternative that isn't as bad or worse than what we have now.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Yeah, Colin Moriarty was running his mouth the other day, as if that talentless hack has ever done anything good for the gaming community, other than involving his shitty politics.

 

[Zee_truly evil]

The past few days have been pretty bizarre for me. I always had fond memories of my stay here. To see so many celebratory tweets on the day it went down, came as a shock to me. In the end, there is no other community online that comes even close, and I mean that in a good way. So, I'll be here as long as the forum is still alive and hopefully, everything returns back to normal.

 

[leeh]

So how does the “internet getting off its high horse” exactly help that aspect that the “system” can’t help? Who’s left to support women, all these people that just wanna talk about games?

Because all the uproar and hate from all the people involved does nothing but make the entire situation worse.

File charges, follow the official process. If it turns out he's guilty of the charged then transfer ownership of this site. Simple.

Also, lol at who's left to support women. Like NeoGAF is the fucking center of support right groups.

 

[HStallion]

Well it's starting to now.

It didn't before because people were too afraid to speak out, that's not the system failing, that's the lack of confidence women feel to speak out about powerful people like this.

Everyone should support and encourage women to speak out about more powerful men and not feel anxious/ashamed.

Its starting because an article came out and women started posting about it on social media. The system didn't do anything until public pressure was at a breaking point.

It got him in the end.

What do you suggest? The system is flawed, but nobody is proposing an alternative that isn't as bad or worse than what we have now.

The system actively let Harvey get away with it until a news article was written and women started coming out, funny enough, on social media.

You did it again.



This was completely ignored so instead you continued focusing on something you can criticize that had little impact to my actual argument. Congrats on the intellectual dishonesty but it has become really tiring. Cya.

Intellectual dishonesty is rich coming from you. Then again you'd know best after the back and forth as I can see.

 

[leeh]

Its starting because an article came out and women started posting about it on social media.

That's the system not failing, that's the system being started when evidence has been given, and rightly so.

It should of been done way earlier yeah, but that's why I say all should be done to support anyone facing similar issues.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Because all the uproar and hate from all the people involved does nothing but make the entire situation worse.

File charges, follow the official process. If it turns out he's guilty of the charged then transfer ownership of this site. Simple.

Also, lol at who's left to support women. Like NeoGAF is the fucking center of support right groups.

it was legitimately one of the few gaming communities that actively protected its vulnerable populations, that was a valuable aspect, it's now gone.

Also he's well connected in media and made a shitload of money he's not exactly not powerful.

 

[Primethius]

People saying the exodus is a good thing are completely delusional. Half of sales-age disappeared overnight. A good portion of the OT communities were wiped out and aren't coming back under the new rules. Most of the people and cornerstones that elevated this forum beyond console and framerate wars are crumbling. I don't think GAF is "finished" but it will never be the same and is already a worse version of itself. There's nothing to celebrate unless you're a gator that wanted to see everything burn.

The exodus is a great thing for those that think GAF was too political and too left leaning. Now all the casual sexist/racist shit is starting to seep through quite fast and you can already see it in many posts.

It's quite a sight to see the forum quality fall like a rock right in front of you. And the ban on political discourse and off-topic is laughably transparent. What separated GAF from the rest of the gaming websites is starting to exist no more. Now it's become the very thing many of the community hated.

It's frankly all quite pathetic and sad. Been on GAF for a long time and I'd never thought I'd see it this bad. But alas, here we are.

 

[leeh]

it was legitimately one of the few gaming communities that actively protected its vulnerable populations, that was a valuable aspect, it's now gone.

Also he's well connected in media and made a shitload of money he's not exactly not powerful.

It was also a community who witch hunted the wrong people as well. Works both ways.

I just find it all detrimental. Posting on a forum saying "I support women!" does nothing to actually proactively support women.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

It was also a community who witch hunted the wrong people as well. Works both ways.

I just find it all detrimental. Posting on a forum saying "I support women!" does nothing to actually proactively support women.

who was wrongly witch hunted?

 

[HStallion]

That's the system not failing, that's the system being started when evidence has been given, and rightly so.

It should of been done way earlier yeah, but that's why I say all should be done to support anyone facing similar issues.

So it wont works until a public expose that can't be swept under the rug occurs.

 

[ehead]

As a long time lurker and a very rare poster, I find it shocking at the amount of registered users who make expletive account suicides. What lured me here was the very first Wii U speculation thread, I remember the OP's avatar pretty well but I can't remember the name (sad to see that person go). I stayed for the actual discussion, and some witty humor/banter (cover art threads, funny ideas from reddit, etc.). I will probably still be a silent member, but count me in one of those who hope that the positive traits of Gaf remain.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Harvey Weinstein was the subject of dozens of accusations and admitted some of it. It was good that womanfelt empowered to come clean there and it's good that the woman involved here felt that she could disclose this but that's not the same as saying EL = HW or even that EL is guilty of anything. It's one thing to respect the right of women to speak out but it's another to then take those accusations as fact.

 

[leeh]

who was wrongly witch hunted?

Didn't see all the tweets from developers who celebrated this forums demise due to all the vitriol?

 

[Melkezadek]

You mean I won't be banned for saying Hillary is a hawkish neocon who ran a terrible campaign?

The humanity.

Weird that it's almost been a year since the election, with a mentally unstable sexual predator in the White House, but people are still showing their persecution complex with regards to their criticisms over a candidate who doesn't even matter anymore.

Highlights a problem within themselves they never want to honestly reflect on.

 

[leeh]

So it wont works until a public expose that can't be swept under the rug occurs.

I never debated that? I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

[prag16]

who was wrongly witch hunted?

If you even have to ask things like this you are likely part of what caused all the issues in OT to begin with.

Basically anybody who didn't align 100% with the gaf progressive purity test was always at constant risk of being banned. Or at minimum dogpiled and vilified. That was a major part of their toxicity people have been talking about. Not to mention how angry and vindictive the gaming side could get over trivial shit. The reason many people in the industry didn't like us anymore want because "lol sjw".

 

[HStallion]

Didn't see all the tweets from developers who celebrated this forums demise due to all the vitriol?

I saw a lot of developers bemoan the loss of GAF and a lot of alt right and gamer gators masturbating to this places supposed demise.

 

[HStallion]

I never debated that? I don't get what you're trying to say.

The system doesn't work till it works even if it takes a few decades, an expose and tons of social media coverage and backlash.

 

[gamz]

Didn't see all the tweets from developers who celebrated this forums demise due to all the vitriol?

Yup. It certainly works both ways and a ton of threads were drive by shit posts that weren't policed at all. You see the same people in the same threads doing nothing but creating toxicity.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Weird that it's almost been a year since the election, with a mentally unstable sexual predator in the White House, but people are still showing their persecution complex with regards to their criticisms over a candidate who doesn't even matter anymore.

Highlights a problem within themselves they never want to honestly reflect on.

What’s angering is if you weren’t a really big fan of Hillary on here, the Echo Chamber would rip you apart. It got waaaaaaay out of line. Especially as a former Bernie guy myself, people here shat on us because we weren’t praising Hillary like they believed we should.

 

[leeh]

The system doesn't work till it works even if it takes a few decades, an expose and tons of social media coverage and backlash.

When the person in question is under investigation by both the UK and US police and is no longer part of the company he created, with a divorce, how can you say the system doesn't work?

What doesn't work is the hesitation from women/men a like to speak up about this, hence why I said work needs to be done.

I think we're on the same page here...

 

[prag16]

What’s angering is if you weren’t a really big fan of Hillary on here, the Echo Chamber here would rip you apart. It got waaaaaaay out of line. Especially as a former Bernie guy myself, people here shat on us because we weren’t praising Hillary like they believed we should.

Yep, anybody at all critical of Hillary was immediately charged with "both sides bullshit" and tarred and feathered by the echo chamber. Same happened to anybody trying to bring ANY nuance at all to any hot button issue. It was disgraceful.

It took Evilore's monster he had created finally turning on HIM for him to realize these things. But better late than never.

 

[IISANDERII]

People saying the exodus is a good thing are completely delusional. Half of sales-age disappeared overnight. A good portion of the OT communities were wiped out and aren't coming back under the new rules. Most of the people and cornerstones that elevated this forum beyond console and framerate wars are crumbling. I don't think GAF is "finished" but it will never be the same and is already a worse version of itself. There's nothing to celebrate unless you're a gator that wanted to see everything burn.

Maybe I am delusional for choosing to get rid of toxic opportunists over some game sales.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

If you even have to ask things like this you are likely part of what caused all the issues in OT to begin with.

Basically anybody who didn't align 100% with the gaf progressive purity test was always at constant risk of being banned. Or at minimum dogpiled and vilified. That was a major part of their toxicity people have been talking about. Not to mention how angry and vindictive the gaming side could get over trivial shit. The reason many people in the industry didn't like us anymore want because "lol sjw".

What's angering is if you weren't a really big fan of Hillary on here, the Echo Chamber would rip you apart. It got waaaaaaay out of line. Especially as a former Bernie guy myself, people here shat on us because we weren't praising Hillary like they believed we should.

I like how these two posts conflict each other. Maybe there actually was a diversity of opinion and you just remember the ones that disagreed with you...

Didn't see all the tweets from developers who celebrated this forums demise due to all the vitriol?

I'm shocked that people would be salty over a place whose purpose of existence is to critique their work.

 

[leeh]

I'm shocked that people would be salty over a place whose purpose of existence is to critique their work.

There's a difference between constructive critique and baseless hate and FUD.

 

[Ponn]

Because all the uproar and hate from all the people involved does nothing but make the entire situation worse.

File charges, follow the official process. If it turns out he's guilty of the charged then transfer ownership of this site. Simple.

Also, lol at who's left to support women. Like NeoGAF is the fucking center of support right groups.

The uproar and campaigns are exactly what gave so many of these women the courage to come forward. You yourself just said that was an aspect they needed, well where the hell do you think they get that from? Did you even read GirlGAFs response to all this?