The state of NeoGAF

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ZeoVGM may be a tad monosyllabic but I respect him for not instantly self-destructing and staying around to converse for a few days. Might as well contribute when you think about how his banned ilk will still be refreshing this forum as fast as Trump's twitter feed.
 
RastaMentality said:
someone criticizing something you say doesn't mean they think they're better than you

where on earth does this come from
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Tone of the posts, and the way they respond?

Add to that a lot of people who get offended on behalf of other people very often.

What I find funny is some people are saying Neogaf has gotten worse over the last few days, that's not true at all. There have always been a particular group of people posting like that.....If it wasn't about the recent events with Evilore, then that group of people would find something else to get on their pedestal and proclaim how good their morals are.

I still remember the NX threads where anyone who doubted Emily and Laura leaking stuff were bombarded with aggressive posts. It got worse though, if you doubted one of their leaks it was because you hated women and were anti-feminism. Kinda like if you don't think the alleged actions Evilore committed are equal to rape, then you are pro-sexual assault.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
And yet no one hates me for thinking her campaigning was flawed.

What is your point? You got none.

I post in ways that make people think I am contrarian for the sake of contrarian. Pretty sure a lot of people find me straight up obnoxious. I'm still here somehow. I don't even know any mods.

Like, y'all have this weird ass persecution complex.
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Besada was literally outed for playing favourites with "voices cis white males needed to hear". Any pretense of the moderation not having gone off the reservation ended quite a while ago.

Same thing happened with Bish. This has all been a long time coming.
 
I am ashamed. Ashamed of Tyler.

Appalled.
Disgusted.
Sickened.

This whole situation has made me gazed at his true soul. He could have learned to improve himself with all the time he had free and be a good member to society from his smug arrogance and his feigning of elitism onto the community that were the true soul of neogaf that made this once good hub of diverse. But no. He choose to lean into his vices and the worst human faults he felt empowered by in his core. Doing so this was fueling his ego and insecurities, thinking that he can subjugate his own will and deviant behavior upon others without consent or morale. He's the definition of a loser who is now getting karma paying back in full.

He used his built up semi internet fame in this social circle to take advantage of any females he felt he could abuse if given the chance, as we have seen clearly over the years now it's come into the full light. All the articles, screen shots, and then his damning response he replied to on his allegations and saying such pathetic remarks to try and twist the narrative onto the victim and using the rhetoric to label her as mentally ill and making him look like the victim is sheer insanity. Insanity.

This would be king wears a facade upon his face. His poisoned well runs deep and all that wish to join the table and drink with their bellies full are welcome to do so.

Tyler. Evilore. You are rotten and I hope one day you will look into a mirror and take a long deep thought about your future and where it will go. Please get help.
I feel sorry for your family.

Goodbye. I am happy with my principles and Morales.
 
Viruz said:
Evilore didn't fuck up at all.
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It's pointless to even try to discuss anything with Subpar Spatula. He just doesn't get it or maybe he does and just pretends not to. Either way, what a waste.

I'm glad to see there are a lot of honest feelings coming out in this thread though. If discussion like this had been allowed in the past 5 years, we might not be at this point today. People like SS would never have been legitimized. They would have been shamed into oblivion for their extremist views, like he is now. Not that I really want that. I would much rather see people like him learn something from all of this but they are just hunkering down instead. At least the ones who haven't left.

What seems to be going on now is that most of the "just believe women" people have already left. Most of the older cool people have left, either now a long time ago. Some are sticking around to talk about "what went wrong" with neogaf though, which is good because everyone needs to hear it, even if some people don't want to hear it. In the end, I think the ones who stick around and try to proceed with business as usual are going to be mostly children and adults with the minds of children. Pretty sad for what was once not just the best VG forum but just the best forum.

If any of these kids saw what it was like in 2007, they would shocked and chagrined but it was a friendly place even if we all disagreed. There was an actual sense of community and the "us vs them" mentality was aimed at other (shitty) forums, not a civil war within neogaf.

If Tyler had been more involved and tried to be a member of the group instead of some ego-maniacal dictator, he might still have something here. I doubt he learned anything though. If he had learned his lesson he would be in this thread right now, talking with everyone instead of watching it from afar, plotting his next move like goddamn Gendo Ikari.
 
Shake Appeal said:
I've been a consistent and vocal critic of Hillary Clinton these past couple years, so I think you must be doing something else shady if people are calling you a Nazi. ;)

On the other hand, you can get banned for lots of reasons besides "being a Nazi" or taking part in an "alt-right plot." Sometimes people just don't like talking to other people if it feels like it's hostile or a chore or the other person is just plain annoying. And given they're the arbitrary moderators of a private board, that's their call to make.

That last part seems hard for many to grasp, so to repeat: You were probably not getting banned for being part of some "alt-right conspiracy" or "Nazi plot" (neither of which I mentioned in my post ... weird). You were probably just getting banned because people don't like what you have to say or how you say it.
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Well, me personally I know why I got banned. The only ban I got was because I said to someone in a Destiny thread "You must not get out much" which was taken as an insult and resulted in my one and only ban. I think it's a bullshit ban but I don't harbor any anger over it, but it did leave me wary of posting in Destiny threads for a while if I was being down on the game.

I'm not upset that I've been called a nazi, but definitely a nazi apologist for things I've said. Which isn't fun, especially when 100% sure you're not. I've met fascists and people who believe in National Socialism and I've met racists and had to deal with (I've marched in a couple of Socialist rallies in DC). I have nothing in common with them politically and I find those beliefs abhorrent. So I really hate when the claim is lobbed against me as if trying to move a thread subject to actually talk about a Bannon interview is a big Swastika containing flag.

And I'm actually similar to Spatula in that I've disagreed and managed not to be banned, but I'm not going to use that as a basis for saying OT didn't have problems. I've definitely sent PMs to mods about being insulted myself in threads and received little to no response about it. There was definitely Mod favoritism and many posters consciously or unconsciously knew it and acted in a way that would have gotten others banned.
 
spaghettification said:
ZeoVGM may be a tad monosyllabic but I respect him for not instantly self-destructing and staying around to converse for a few days. Might as well contribute when you think about how his banned ilk will still be refreshing this forum as fast as Trump's twitter feed.
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This is just as dickish as anything an extreme leftist on this forum would say, which would lead one to believe your issues had nothing to do with civility in the first place.

This place can never be "just gaming". It exists as a platform for Malka, whether he is right or wrong. It is going to have a moderation bias towards him by design.
 
ExVicis said:
Well, me personally I know why I got banned. The only ban I got was because I said to someone in a Destiny thread "You must not get out much" which was taken as an insult and resulted in my one and only ban. I think it's a bullshit ban but I don't harbor any anger over it, but it did leave me wary of posting in Destiny threads for a while if I was being down on the game.
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I've been banned about a few times now. My biggest issue with the banning has been the inconsistency, there were times where it was one rule for one, and another for someone else.

Most of those moderators have now left though, so things should improve.
 
This seems like a good thread to say that I'm not keen on visiting a site owned by a serial sexual harasser and all-around tool.

Ban? Ban! Thanks!
 
Clefargle said:
Being against toxicity is toxic

is the same as the old:

Being against intolerance is intolerance


It's just "no u"
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Hah. Yep. That's exactly what it is.

Sad, really.

spaghettification said:
ZeoVGM may be a tad monosyllabic but I respect him for not instantly self-destructing and staying around to converse for a few days. Might as well contribute when you think about how his banned ilk will still be refreshing this forum as fast as Trump's twitter feed.
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Nah, I don't think they will be. And I trust respected posters who have been here for a decade over the snark from someone with an account for three years and like 100 posts.

Someone like Bruce knows and understands this community and has been a bigger part of it than you or I ever well.

So get the hell out of here with this, "They'll come crawling back" attitude as if you know anything about the people you're speaking of.
 
AALLx said:
Not just CrossingEden, why are these holier-than-thou-on-their-high-fucking-horse posters like Subpar Spatula still posting on GAF if their moral code was so utterly defiled?
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Because what it's really about is "how do I insert myself into this and make it about me"
 
Link said:
I'm calling bs on this. I was a Hillary supporter and got banned several times for taking things too far in terms of discourse. Deservedly so. I do agree moderation needs more transparency, not less.

Btw, all you people complaining about how "differences of opinion" got you banned, how about you be more specific? Give us some examples. It feels like you want to have your cake and eat it too by playing the victim while hiding some awful views behind vague generalizations.
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I was banned for apparently being concerned about the wrong thing? It was a sketchy ban. I'd love to link my post but it seems like it doesn't exist anymore thanks to the OT being wiped out.

The thread was about the Colorado student who was suspended for saying "black women aren't hot" or something along the lines of that.

I said something about the lines about how it was concerning that they tracked down this student because supposedly he was posting from an anonymous location. About a week later I got myself a nice week long ban with the message

"hmm so thats what you find concerning?".

I never once defended what the student said nor did I agree with what them. Lets be real though. Someone saying stupid shit on twitter isn't exactly all that shocking though. Privacy violations are. Not because some idiots can continue to post their nonsense but because it can be used against anyone.

But the odd thing about it was that it came about a week after I even made that statement. The thread had been dormant by then and at least one other mod had posted in that same thread since. Funny enough at the time I got the ban I was currently posting in another thread. I think the topic was about someone who hated pets. So maybe someone didn't like what I was saying there and decided to go through my post history and ban me? That or coincidentally a mod just happened to be doing some back reading though old threads.
 
AALLx said:
Not just CrossingEden, why are these holier-than-thou-on-their-high-fucking-horse posters like Subpar Spatula still posting on GAF if their moral code was so utterly defiled?
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Why? Well because most of them are just hypocrites... the irony about all this is that all those self righteous so called "anti racists" are nothing but... racists themselves.

Do you deviate from their views even slightly? Do you dare to want to voice your concerns over several matters that go against their beliefs? Hell, like someone said, you could be 99% in agreement with them, but that tiny 1% of it?

Yeah, that 1% will instantly earn you the label of "alt-right" and "bigot" and constant harassment. Just from a few words on the internet those holier-than-thou, those white knights have a perfect full picture about you and will do their best to bully you and treat you as human trash. Like I said before I have been on the receiving end of such harassment for that 1-5% of disagreement. It is absolutely disgusting.

So yeah you tell me if that fanaticism and bias, is not pretty much the equivalent of some form of racism itself.
 
ExVicis said:
Well, me personally I know why I got banned. The only ban I got was because I said to someone in a Destiny thread "You must not get out much" which was taken as an insult and resulted in my one and only ban. I think it's a bullshit ban but I don't harbor any anger over it, but it did leave me wary of posting in Destiny threads for a while if I was being down on the game.
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I once caught a ban for replying with "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." I forgot the exact adjective used for my behavior in the ban notice, but I thought it was complete bullshit. Same as you, by the time my ban ended, I was over it. It feels like the people screaming the loudest about "outrage culture" are the ones who are the most outraged about everything. Shit, we have a president who got elected using that playbook. But somehow, we're the toxic ones.
 
kaname-san said:
It's pointless to even try to discuss anything with Subpar Spatula. He just doesn't get it or maybe he does and just pretends not to. Either way, what a waste.

I'm glad to see there are a lot of honest feelings coming out in this thread though. If discussion like this had been allowed in the past 5 years, we might not be at this point today. People like SS would never have been legitimized. They would have been shamed into oblivion for their extremist views, like he is now. Not that I really want that. I would much rather see people like him learn something from all of this but they are just hunkering down instead. At least the ones who haven't left.

What seems to be going on now is that most of the "just believe women" people have already left. Most of the older cool people have left, either now a long time ago. Some are sticking around to talk about "what went wrong" with neogaf though, which is good because everyone needs to hear it, even if some people don't want to hear it. In the end, I think the ones who stick around and try to proceed with business as usual are going to be mostly children and adults with the minds of children. Pretty sad for what was once not just the best VG forum but just the best forum.

If any of these kids saw what it was like in 2007, they would shocked and chagrined but it was a friendly place even if we all disagreed. There was an actual sense of community and the "us vs them" mentality was aimed at other (shitty) forums, not a civil war within neogaf.

If Tyler had been more involved and tried to be a member of the group instead of some ego-maniacal dictator, he might still have something here. I doubt he learned anything though. If he had learned his lesson he would be in this thread right now, talking with everyone instead of watching it from afar, plotting his next move like goddamn Gendo Ikari.
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Great post. I remember.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
You keep parroting this idea that disagreeing with someone lead to ostracizing or bans.

YOU WERE NEVER BANNED FOR DISAGREEING WITH SOMEONE ON AN ISSUE.

You were banned for poorly wording your position and it came off as toxic. That's it. Y'all just couldn't articulate well enough where what you said didn't express toxicity directly indirectly or directly. You guys remove any and all context for why the bans took place and cover it with a blanket, "they ban you for disagreeing" when that's not even true. You do this to reinforce that you yourself are a victim of injustice so you can go on with a clean slate.
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I'm not even the person you think you're responding to. You are confusing me with someone else.

I've never said I've been banned for anything. I got a one day ban once because my response to a silly thread was too short or something. Nothing important.

I'm not talking about the bans, which would be clear if you read my post.
 
kaname-san said:
It's pointless to even try to discuss anything with Subpar Spatula. He just doesn't get it or maybe he does and just pretends not to. Either way, what a waste.

I'm glad to see there are a lot of honest feelings coming out in this thread though. If discussion like this had been allowed in the past 5 years, we might not be at this point today. People like SS would never have been legitimized. They would have been shamed into oblivion for their extremist views, like he is now. Not that I really want that. I would much rather see people like him learn something from all of this but they are just hunkering down instead. At least the ones who haven't left.

What seems to be going on now is that most of the "just believe women" people have already left. Most of the older cool people have left, either now a long time ago. Some are sticking around to talk about "what went wrong" with neogaf though, which is good because everyone needs to hear it, even if some people don't want to hear it. In the end, I think the ones who stick around and try to proceed with business as usual are going to be mostly children and adults with the minds of children. Pretty sad for what was once not just the best VG forum but just the best forum.

If any of these kids saw what it was like in 2007, they would shocked and chagrined but it was a friendly place even if we all disagreed. There was an actual sense of community and the "us vs them" mentality was aimed at other (shitty) forums, not a civil war within neogaf.

If Tyler had been more involved and tried to be a member of the group instead of some ego-maniacal dictator, he might still have something here. I doubt he learned anything though. If he had learned his lesson he would be in this thread right now, talking with everyone instead of watching it from afar, plotting his next move like goddamn Gendo Ikari.
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Agreed.
 
HonMirin said:
I thought Saturday was a sad day.

Today is even worse.
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This is how i feel as well. It is super sad to see Gaf in such disarray. When it went down i wanted it to come back asap, but after seeing what's being going since it came back online, I almost wish it stayed down :-(.


We're building it up
To break it back down
We're building it up
To burn it down
We can't wait
To burn it to the ground
 
As much as I've enjoyed GAF over the past 5 or so years, judging by all of these trolls threads, the sudden omnipresence of juniors who seem to have come from gamefaqs, the complete lack of familiar and respected faces and the constant stream of suicides, I'd have to say that unfortunately the state of GAF at this present time is "fucked".
 
Zefah said:
Nazis should be afraid to speak, because everyone should be eager to smash them down the moment they voice their ugly and dangerous thoughts that are not compatible with society. If your "opinions" are getting you equated with Nazis, then that probably says something about your opinions and what they really mean.

No one was ever banned for the action of disagreeing. It's what that disagreement meant.
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Did you even read my post?! I'm not talking about banning. I'm talking about his attitude. Someone used the phrase 'free speech', and he immediately jumped to the conclusion said poster wants to be able to post hate speech. Then, when I called him out, he implied the only reason I called him out is because -I'm- a bad guy too.

That's the culture I'm talking about, not banning.
 
Been awhile so

SuperBanana said:
Guess I need to post this again since there are some people who seem to have already forgotten after 2 page. Wow, how the mind slips!

"Allegedly"

Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
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Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.
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You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM

Also:
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Viruz said:
Evilore didn't fuck up at all.
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even if the allegation isn't true i don't see how you look at the site right now and fucking think this. people are acting next level deluded if they think everything is fine. evilore has handled this terribly. half the website has been taken down for fuck's sake.
 
Pie and Beans said:
Besada was literally outed for playing favourites with "voices cis white males needed to hear". Any pretense of the moderation not having gone off the reservation ended quite a while ago.

Same thing happened with Bish. This has all been a long time coming.
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Since users today either didn't know or pretended they didn't know about some of Evilore's past transgressions, and since that's apparently more than fair game for discussion, I implore everyone claiming that GAF's management was somehow mostly perfect to go look at the hard proof for how certain high-level mods operated through the years. Had nothing to do with Evilore's influence either despite how people now want to pretend he was mind-controlling all of them to keep their mouths shut.
 
kaname-san said:
If Tyler had been more involved and tried to be a member of the group instead of some ego-maniacal dictator, he might still have something here. I doubt he learned anything though. If he had learned his lesson he would be in this thread right now, talking with everyone instead of watching it from afar, plotting his next move like goddamn Gendo Ikari.
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If only...we already reached the End of Evangelion
 
spaghettification said:
Since users today either didn't know or pretended they didn't know about some of Evilore's past transgressions, and since that's apparently more than fair game for discussion, I implore everyone claiming that GAF's management was somehow mostly perfect to go look at the hard proof for how certain high-level mods operated through the years. Had nothing to do with Evilore's influence either despite how people now want to pretend he was mind-controlling all of them to keep their mouths shut.
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It's ok ResetEra will be the key to enlightenment for many as those same people are now going to be responsible for running that forum.

It's going to be eyeopening to see what that forum ends up being like.....NeoGaf was already a clique at times in the past, where if you dared go against the grain you'd be bombarded with aggressive responses, that forum is really going to take the crown though. It seems to be all the "white knights" together....
 
Boy Wander said:
As much as I've enjoyed GAF over the past 5 or so years, judging by all of these trolls threads, the sudden omnipresence of juniors who seem to have come from gamefaqs, the complete lack of familiar and respected faces and the constant stream of suicides, I'd have to say that unfortunately the state of GAF at this present time is "fucked".
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I'd say give it some time. Most of the self righteous stone throwing folks will leave first and then the trolls will get themselves banned. I honestly keep checking my ignore list to see if those folks will leave as well.
 
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