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[Anime Avatar]

Reddit has always been trash for news. All the places I've visited have be mostly memes. Plus the site is a bitch to read.

r/games, sort by new.

no memes, no personality/political/social drama

it doesn't catch all news, but 90% of it

If you care about japanese games, gematsu.com is the best

 

[valkyre]

/r/games for general gaming news with a moderate PC bias
Then subreddits for whatever game you may like, like /r/destinythegame or /r/fortnitebr.

Many thanks!

 

[Ethelwulf]

Now that the dust has somewhat settled…

I am not a fan of pretending that something did not happen for the sake of moving on. Eventually it will bubble up later on and often than not create a volatile environment, which undeniably create resentment as to why the topic was avoided and not discussed openly. Better to have closure on a controversial topic then pretending it did not happen. That is the root of the problem for a while now, stifling dialog by avoiding it--and no, a robotically written short statement does not help ease that resentment.

How the Amir0x incident was addressed is baffling. Instead of letting people discuss what has happened with him, we instead had to pretend that it was just another incident and let’s just avoid talking about it. It is bizarre, because it looks bad from the outside looking in; almost complicit and we as a community indirectly foster people like him. Instead of letting the community talk (and denounce) his actions, we were instructed to pretend that nothing had happened. The statement released about Amir0x was also lacking any real actual statement, it was just a rundown of his history within GAF. While the post did indicate that we should wait for more info, nothing was done when all the allegations proved to be right. That this avoidance and lack of responsibly has hit people deeply is understandable.

Patrick Klepek’s article also paints that picture with the mod staff. They clearly understood that it was not handled correctly, and did their best with the limited instructions given. Standing as a united front for a stance most of them did not agree with is heartbreaking considering the excellent and thoughtful staff behind the scenes. That frustration set it for them was understandable, they were getting criticized for being heavy handed in their censorship on the matter but at the same time could not freely speak their mind without throwing the admin under the bus. Admirable that the mod staff stayed during this time for the community, even if they had to sidestep some of their own morals. Which, considering the kind of people the former mods are it must have been emotionally devastating.

It is crucial to talk about the mods that have left, because they were not run-of-the-mill people; they shaped the best aspects of GAF. They have made far more good judgment calls then bad. When people join, they join because of how things have been moderated. Instead of it being a free-for-all, there are basic rules in place but self-judgment is key to survival on the board. People who complain about the heavy-handedness in moderation are often than not people that take no responsibility for their idiocy. In the short term, nothing will change and everything will look fine. But in the long term, when basic rule set that was fostered by former mods starts to fade, and again has to be heavily moderated because it got out of control, the same people complaining now will be the ones on the chopping block. I harbor no ill-will against the remaining mod staff, they have a hard task ahead of them--I wish them the best of luck, I know that they are also going through a stressful time.

Correlation between how the Amir0x incident was handled and now the sexual assault allegations is that history is repeating itself. Again, avoidance and lack of any responsibility. To do it twice to your members and mod staff is inexcusable, you can only ask so much of them. While the whole sexual assault incident is minefield to traverse, especially the tricky he-said-she-said aspect, how it has been handled thus far is baffling beyond words. No lack of any remorse, just a bunch of short incident reports, and demeaning statements about the alleged victim. Which makes this even worse, instead of being self-reflective and upfront we got a defensive response that deflects all the blame. Which doesn’t make a strong foundation to stand on going forth, whether the allegations are confirmed to be false or true.

I applaud that Malka has kept some of the harsh threads relating to the sexual assault allegations open, it is a good step at some transparency. At the same time I’m worried about the rise of lets-pretend-this-is-not-an-issue posters that have cropped up. Because it just again, leaves this big looming issue open when meanwhile some members are conveniently trying to bury it. Which again, brings in the issue of complacency of sexual assault upon the whole board and all the eventual uncovered evidence will paint it as such. That people want to distance themselves from that notion is not unreasonable. This is why people are taking a hard stance, they want it know that they will not be complacent to silently justify such appalling deflective behavior.

As much as people want this board to go back to talking games, people tend to forget that we talk about every aspect of games--from the initial idea to production to the release. But with it comes difficult discussions, such as the depiction of women, sexual harassment in the workplace, workplace crunch, toxic developer relationships and more. These discussions are steeped with politically charged subject matters, there is no way around it. This is sign of the times, we need to have these once taboo discussions; it reflects greatly that we care not just about the games people make but the people themselves. This also applies to calling out toxic internet personalities. There is no ‘skipping’ this aspect of gaming now and you are doing a disservice by self-censoring it because ‘we just want to play games’. This also applies to the hard censoring of the OT, because especially now that taboo subject matters are finally discussed in the open.

I’m not sure if I will be banned for all of this, but it needed to be said. It was my moral duty to at least make an effort to convey why I feel that this is a major issue that will forever taint the way I look at this forum. It is sad, because this use to be my home, now I don’t know who is inside anymore or is it worth it to even go inside. I won’t be replying regarding this post, I’ve just came to clear my mind on these issues.

-Odd

Well said, Sir. You speak of reason and I share all of your concerns.

 

[KaneU]

I hate that this mess happened a week before GOAT is released...

 

[Ultravi0lence]

Things look bleak. Activity has dropped off a cliff.

I agree. It's very strange to refresh the front page after 30 mins and see 90% of the topics the same as when I refreshed earlier, with barely anything contributed to them.

 

[jokkir]

Admins:

Cerium
Emily Rogers
Methuselah
Nibel
Shinobi602
Sirpopopop
Sweet Nicole
ZhugeEX

Moderators:

Ana
Brazil
BronsonLee
Cheesemeister
Durante
Hecht
Kagari
kristoffer
kswiston
Kyonashi
Matt
MaverickHunterAsh
MiraculousSwidge
Morrigan
RASCAL
Rowlf
Royalan
Imran (ShockingAlberto)
Slayven
Spider
Steve
Supernorn
Sylverstone

Where's Bboy AJ in this list

 

[Pixieking]

Now that the dust has somewhat settled…

I am not a fan of pretending that something did not happen for the sake of moving on. Eventually it will bubble up later on and often than not create a volatile environment, which undeniably create resentment as to why the topic was avoided and not discussed openly. Better to have closure on a controversial topic then pretending it did not happen. That is the root of the problem for a while now, stifling dialog by avoiding it--and no, a robotically written short statement does not help ease that resentment.

How the Amir0x incident was addressed is baffling. Instead of letting people discuss what has happened with him, we instead had to pretend that it was just another incident and let’s just avoid talking about it. It is bizarre, because it looks bad from the outside looking in; almost complicit and we as a community indirectly foster people like him. Instead of letting the community talk (and denounce) his actions, we were instructed to pretend that nothing had happened. The statement released about Amir0x was also lacking any real actual statement, it was just a rundown of his history within GAF. While the post did indicate that we should wait for more info, nothing was done when all the allegations proved to be right. That this avoidance and lack of responsibly has hit people deeply is understandable.

Patrick Klepek’s article also paints that picture with the mod staff. They clearly understood that it was not handled correctly, and did their best with the limited instructions given. Standing as a united front for a stance most of them did not agree with is heartbreaking considering the excellent and thoughtful staff behind the scenes. That frustration set it for them was understandable, they were getting criticized for being heavy handed in their censorship on the matter but at the same time could not freely speak their mind without throwing the admin under the bus. Admirable that the mod staff stayed during this time for the community, even if they had to sidestep some of their own morals. Which, considering the kind of people the former mods are it must have been emotionally devastating.

It is crucial to talk about the mods that have left, because they were not run-of-the-mill people; they shaped the best aspects of GAF. They have made far more good judgment calls then bad. When people join, they join because of how things have been moderated. Instead of it being a free-for-all, there are basic rules in place but self-judgment is key to survival on the board. People who complain about the heavy-handedness in moderation are often than not people that take no responsibility for their idiocy. In the short term, nothing will change and everything will look fine. But in the long term, when basic rule set that was fostered by former mods starts to fade, and again has to be heavily moderated because it got out of control, the same people complaining now will be the ones on the chopping block. I harbor no ill-will against the remaining mod staff, they have a hard task ahead of them--I wish them the best of luck, I know that they are also going through a stressful time.

Correlation between how the Amir0x incident was handled and now the sexual assault allegations is that history is repeating itself. Again, avoidance and lack of any responsibility. To do it twice to your members and mod staff is inexcusable, you can only ask so much of them. While the whole sexual assault incident is minefield to traverse, especially the tricky he-said-she-said aspect, how it has been handled thus far is baffling beyond words. No lack of any remorse, just a bunch of short incident reports, and demeaning statements about the alleged victim. Which makes this even worse, instead of being self-reflective and upfront we got a defensive response that deflects all the blame. Which doesn’t make a strong foundation to stand on going forth, whether the allegations are confirmed to be false or true.

I applaud that Malka has kept some of the harsh threads relating to the sexual assault allegations open, it is a good step at some transparency. At the same time I’m worried about the rise of lets-pretend-this-is-not-an-issue posters that have cropped up. Because it just again, leaves this big looming issue open when meanwhile some members are conveniently trying to bury it. Which again, brings in the issue of complacency of sexual assault upon the whole board and all the eventual uncovered evidence will paint it as such. That people want to distance themselves from that notion is not unreasonable. This is why people are taking a hard stance, they want it know that they will not be complacent to silently justify such appalling deflective behavior.

As much as people want this board to go back to talking games, people tend to forget that we talk about every aspect of games--from the initial idea to production to the release. But with it comes difficult discussions, such as the depiction of women, sexual harassment in the workplace, workplace crunch, toxic developer relationships and more. These discussions are steeped with politically charged subject matters, there is no way around it. This is sign of the times, we need to have these once taboo discussions; it reflects greatly that we care not just about the games people make but the people themselves. This also applies to calling out toxic internet personalities. There is no ‘skipping’ this aspect of gaming now and you are doing a disservice by self-censoring it because ‘we just want to play games’. This also applies to the hard censoring of the OT, because especially now that taboo subject matters are finally discussed in the open.

I’m not sure if I will be banned for all of this, but it needed to be said. It was my moral duty to at least make an effort to convey why I feel that this is a major issue that will forever taint the way I look at this forum. It is sad, because this use to be my home, now I don’t know who is inside anymore or is it worth it to even go inside. I won’t be replying regarding this post, I’ve just came to clear my mind on these issues.

-Odd

Good post. Well said.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Why do people keep saying this? Honestly it's not the "bulk" of NeoGaf that are migrating to this forum. It's a small percentage....

One thing worth noting is that initially it's invite only, there isn't going to be open public registrations at the start, so it's going to be a very small group.

The heart and mind of the human body occupies a small percentage of the body and yet it can't function without them.

Behold how inactive the gaming and Community boards are. Observe the number of Junior accounts here. Some of these folks haven't even put in the work to be eligible to create a topic. It's Wednesday morning and GAF came back up Monday night. The threads on the gaming page would have been buried by now, because the people who do contribute to original content would have kept the flow going.

With a Content curator is gone, all you will be left with are critics with nothing to critique. People who think they know, but do not do.

Hell, anger NBAGaf was purged, they created a message board in 2014. Of course, the name of it is a banned word, but its enrollment has increased by 2000 users overnight, including folks like SunhiLegend.

Yeah, who's going to step up to create high-quality animated images of our favorite everything now that he is gone?

And if that is one example out of dozens.

 

[Whompa02]

Reddit has always been trash for news. All the places I've visited have be mostly memes. Plus the site is a bitch to read.

r/gamernews is pretty cut and dry, simple, and immediate.

 

[Cake Boss]

NM don't want to give a troll the attention he seeks.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

So like... where's EL?

 

[CaviarMeths]

Logout and never come back is your solution

This is like the Don Mattrick "fortunately we have a product for..." of solutions.

 

[Markoman]

Lol yeah im good. Half the admins were super pricks/liars and almost always had wrong info. Half the mods are !suprise! The posters who always believed themselves "celebrities". Have fun with that group. If GAF goes down ill find someplace to get gaming news but it won't be there.

Yeah, I can see it, too. There will be thousands of lurk-hoppers ping-ponging between the two sites, once some of those mods start using their ban hammer over there. I remember at least two names on that mod list not leaving a good impression during some discussions.

And shinobi...as a grown man he needs to grow some balls. His ME:A thread was a joke.

 

[Siddiqui]

well, i'm back, and the only user i don't predate is liu kang baking a pie (STILL the only poster worth reading on the forum). i've been through the gaming-age transition, countless splinter forums, and pretty much everything except for gamergate (i was otherwise occupied through that thing). in my experience, the sky falls every few years on every very large forum, and yet it never quite hits the ground.

in short, don't worry, just keep talking, and your world, no matter how off-kilter you think it seems now, will right itself. alternatively, stop talking for a couple months, and when you think to come back and say something, things will be pretty much back in steady state.

-fart

I remember when Gerstmann gate happened and all the prominent posters from Gamespot's forum dispersed. There were still random people posting but a ton of people left. I came back a few years later and what you said would happen did not happen at all. Was really jarring to see how dead it was compared to how I remembered it.

 

[Clockwork]

People really need to cut it out with the hyperbole / doom and gloom stories.

How long has the site back up? How many of these people leaving are acting on impulse/gut reaction because they are upset? What happens when they and things surrounding this site cool down?

If people decide to leave based on the actions (or inactions) of the owner did they really have a real sense of community anyway?

 

[Any Questions]

Now that the dust has somewhat settled…

I am not a fan of pretending that something did not happen for the sake of moving on. Eventually it will bubble up later on and often than not create a volatile environment, which undeniably create resentment as to why the topic was avoided and not discussed openly. Better to have closure on a controversial topic then pretending it did not happen. That is the root of the problem for a while now, stifling dialog by avoiding it--and no, a robotically written short statement does not help ease that resentment.

How the Amir0x incident was addressed is baffling. Instead of letting people discuss what has happened with him, we instead had to pretend that it was just another incident and let’s just avoid talking about it. It is bizarre, because it looks bad from the outside looking in; almost complicit and we as a community indirectly foster people like him. Instead of letting the community talk (and denounce) his actions, we were instructed to pretend that nothing had happened. The statement released about Amir0x was also lacking any real actual statement, it was just a rundown of his history within GAF. While the post did indicate that we should wait for more info, nothing was done when all the allegations proved to be right. That this avoidance and lack of responsibly has hit people deeply is understandable.

Patrick Klepek’s article also paints that picture with the mod staff. They clearly understood that it was not handled correctly, and did their best with the limited instructions given. Standing as a united front for a stance most of them did not agree with is heartbreaking considering the excellent and thoughtful staff behind the scenes. That frustration set it for them was understandable, they were getting criticized for being heavy handed in their censorship on the matter but at the same time could not freely speak their mind without throwing the admin under the bus. Admirable that the mod staff stayed during this time for the community, even if they had to sidestep some of their own morals. Which, considering the kind of people the former mods are it must have been emotionally devastating.

It is crucial to talk about the mods that have left, because they were not run-of-the-mill people; they shaped the best aspects of GAF. They have made far more good judgment calls then bad. When people join, they join because of how things have been moderated. Instead of it being a free-for-all, there are basic rules in place but self-judgment is key to survival on the board. People who complain about the heavy-handedness in moderation are often than not people that take no responsibility for their idiocy. In the short term, nothing will change and everything will look fine. But in the long term, when basic rule set that was fostered by former mods starts to fade, and again has to be heavily moderated because it got out of control, the same people complaining now will be the ones on the chopping block. I harbor no ill-will against the remaining mod staff, they have a hard task ahead of them--I wish them the best of luck, I know that they are also going through a stressful time.

Correlation between how the Amir0x incident was handled and now the sexual assault allegations is that history is repeating itself. Again, avoidance and lack of any responsibility. To do it twice to your members and mod staff is inexcusable, you can only ask so much of them. While the whole sexual assault incident is minefield to traverse, especially the tricky he-said-she-said aspect, how it has been handled thus far is baffling beyond words. No lack of any remorse, just a bunch of short incident reports, and demeaning statements about the alleged victim. Which makes this even worse, instead of being self-reflective and upfront we got a defensive response that deflects all the blame. Which doesn’t make a strong foundation to stand on going forth, whether the allegations are confirmed to be false or true.

I applaud that Malka has kept some of the harsh threads relating to the sexual assault allegations open, it is a good step at some transparency. At the same time I’m worried about the rise of lets-pretend-this-is-not-an-issue posters that have cropped up. Because it just again, leaves this big looming issue open when meanwhile some members are conveniently trying to bury it. Which again, brings in the issue of complacency of sexual assault upon the whole board and all the eventual uncovered evidence will paint it as such. That people want to distance themselves from that notion is not unreasonable. This is why people are taking a hard stance, they want it know that they will not be complacent to silently justify such appalling deflective behavior.

As much as people want this board to go back to talking games, people tend to forget that we talk about every aspect of games--from the initial idea to production to the release. But with it comes difficult discussions, such as the depiction of women, sexual harassment in the workplace, workplace crunch, toxic developer relationships and more. These discussions are steeped with politically charged subject matters, there is no way around it. This is sign of the times, we need to have these once taboo discussions; it reflects greatly that we care not just about the games people make but the people themselves. This also applies to calling out toxic internet personalities. There is no ‘skipping’ this aspect of gaming now and you are doing a disservice by self-censoring it because ‘we just want to play games’. This also applies to the hard censoring of the OT, because especially now that taboo subject matters are finally discussed in the open.

I’m not sure if I will be banned for all of this, but it needed to be said. It was my moral duty to at least make an effort to convey why I feel that this is a major issue that will forever taint the way I look at this forum. It is sad, because this use to be my home, now I don’t know who is inside anymore or is it worth it to even go inside. I won’t be replying regarding this post, I’ve just came to clear my mind on these issues.

-Odd

Troubled waters ahead. However words like this are good. Am not the biggest poster or have been here a very long time, so not sure how I feel. I very much enjoy what it was just last week but I am not sure how the dust will settle so am keeping a look out. I admit I posted in all the political and police threads and no doubt sniped with the flyby comment here and there, however I never attacked a fellow GAF member for their views. I loved the console reveals and OT's for all the games. The off topic community was great in fountain pen and what am reading this month land. I have been gifted some great suggestions and found out very many cool and interesting things in my time here. I hope it works out but I feel a bit annoyed. I think EL has been shown to be unworthy of taking a moral high ground. In fact what I have read and watched on this issue make me think the opposite. Should this dominate the "community" and break what's here. I don't think so, however am not sure things can/ will/ should go back without something changing. Am not also entirely sure what is written in the OP's opening statement cuts the mustard all that well.

Time will tell.

 

[dani_dc]

If people decide to leave based on the actions (or inactions) of the owner did they really have a real sense of community anyway?

It's not just individual people leaving, it's entire communities.

The sense of community has been the effort users have been making to make sure all members of the community know where the community can be found, be it in discord or somewhere else.

 

[Tiber]

Wow, what a time to be granted access (well it was actually the 5th of September but I missed the email)

Look I had never even heard of the site owner til last week, I just read the games section and don't even know half the full story about the recent controversy.

I have wanted to discuss games with some of you folks for a very long time, its a real shame to start doing so whilst such a dark cloud hangs over the site

 

[Cake Boss]

If people decide to leave based on the actions (or inactions) of the owner did they really have a real sense of community anyway?

lmao these are the guys that have been here for a decade and thousands of posts, but please tell me more why they suck and hurt your feelings that they aren't here any longer, while you pretend it doesn't effect you even though all I see is your posts shitting on those people.

They have a sense of moral values and a consensus yes they have a sense of community, to know to cannot support this kind of behavior any longer.

 

[Champion of the Wild]

Wow, what a time to be granted access

Look I had never even heard of the site owner til last week, I just read the games section and don't even know half the full story about the recent controversy.

I have wanted to discuss games with some of you folks for a very long time, its a real shame to start doing so whilst such a dark cloud hangs over the site

Same ,i only recently joined and was excited to be here and now there is "civil unrest" in the forum and its future is clouded

 

[rtcn63]

nvm

 

[I'm new be nice]

Wow, what a time to be granted access (well it was actually the 5th of September but I missed the email)

Look I had never even heard of the site owner til last week, I just read the games section and don't even know half the full story about the recent controversy.

I have wanted to discuss games with some of you folks for a very long time, its a real shame to start doing so whilst such a dark cloud hangs over the site

Welcome to the community lol

 

[Lucumo]

The off topic community was great in fountain pen and what am reading this month land.

Oh, hey, I posted in the fountain pen thread a bit and was really surprised at how rare they are outside of the country that I live in where basically every child uses (or at least definitely used) one when they start in elementary school.
Same with the other threads, although I didn't look into them the past few months due to not having the opportunity *cough* to continue reading my current book (also bought a book based on the recommendation of another user (My Name is Red)). Yep, those threads had some really nice people in it.

 

[Metroxed]

Reddit is shit for gaming news because they are slow, nobody actually cares about posting news there. Turning reddit into a decent news source takes effort, gaf was easy.

Not only that, but also you cannot have serious, articulated discussion on Reddit. The posting structure they have promotes many independent mini-discussions instead of one cohesive one, and besides most often there aren't any discussion at all, just people trying to post witty things and memes to get karma. Neogaf is much better.

 

[Whompa02]

People really need to cut it out with the hyperbole / doom and gloom stories.

How long has the site back up? How many of these people leaving are acting on impulse/gut reaction because they are upset? What happens when they and things surrounding this site cool down?

If people decide to leave based on the actions (or inactions) of the owner did they really have a real sense of community anyway?

- Site's been back up for a few days.

- A lot of people, including a lot of moderators, are leaving for a multitude of reasons, but all stem from the original accusation(s). Honestly most were probably already just looking for an "out" for some time, as some pointed out of the declining overall quality of the discussions.

- When the site cools down, people will either A: forget about it completely and just have the same discussions about videogames that they had, but with a lot less traffic/leaks/insider stuff, or B: remember it and just awkwardly avoid going into controversial territory.

- They absolutely have a sense of community. They are probably just looking for one that won't implode.

 

[Clockwork]

lmao these are the guys that have been here for a decade and thousands of posts, but please tell me more why they suck and hurt your feelings that they aren't here any longer, while you pretend it doesn't effect you even though all I see is your posts shitting on those people.

They have a sense of moral values and a consensus yes they have a sense of community, to know to cannot support this kind of behavior any longer.

Is the site about EviLore or is it about its users? These people's actions are nothing but virtue signaling.

 

[Cake Boss]

Is the site about EviLore or is it about it's users? These people's actions are nothing but virtue signaling.

you are the 2nd clueless person to use this word without knowing its actual meaning.

I see the future of this site is in good hands with people like you.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

It's not just individual people leaving, it's entire commuties.

The sense of community has been the effort users have been making to make sure all members of the community know where the community can be found, be it in discord or somewhere else.

This is what everyone left completely missed. The suicides are not for the benefit of the few remaining active GAF members. These are not lone guys making a statement or trolling but a bra burning show of commitment to leaving and staying together with the actual active posting community. It seems (and I'm checking profiles) that the current active posters left are either low posting lurkers or ALT accounts with low post counts. The community you love and defend is now a rag tag fugitive fleet searching for a new home, the rest of you are sitting on Alderaan saying how you've always loved it here.

 

[Any Questions]

Oh, hey, I posted in the fountain pen thread a bit and was really surprised at how rare they are outside of the country that I live in where basically every child uses (or at least definitely used) one when they start in elementary school.
Same with the other threads, although I didn't look into them the past few months due to not having the opportunity *cough* to continue reading my current book (also bought a book based on the recommendation of another user (My Name is Red)). Yep, those threads had some really nice people in it.

Well let me be the bloke who points out this little bit of magic. It's a link to an amazing audiobook project of the lord of the rings. It's amazing. It's unabridged and it has lots of sound effects of the film's edited in. I urge you to download and be amazing. Also share with all your friends.

Also fountain pens are the best! I run with a lamy 2000. A bit posh but I use most days.

Here is the link

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cjjdiknzeieol,6jmo2c5q9vbll,jdmyib22aeqpm

Enjoy!

 

[Clockwork]

you are the 2nd clueless person to use this word without knowing its actual meaning.

I see the future of this site is in good hands with people like you.

vir·tue sig·nal·ing
noun
noun: virtue signalling
the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

Is that not what is happening?

 

[Cake Boss]

And I love how you act that's like a bad thing.

Doing the right thing = bad

 

[dreamcastmaster]

Is that not what is happening?

No.

 

[The Albatross]

So like... where's EL?

Doing what he typically does when there are issues. He ghosts and then comes back to make some brash, rushed, unaware decision, and some poorly thought out, poorly expressed statement absolving himself and others of responsibility.

 

[Tiber]

Welcome to the community lol

Never really thought on the first day (I was granted access before the news, just didn't notice) I would post on Neogaf I would also be log out. I wanted to join gaf to be part of the community that I loved reading, but I have no idea if that that community even exists anymore


I think I will leave it there for the time being. I don't know enough about the latest news and think I need to find out more.

 

[Anime Avatar]

Doing what he typically does when there are issues. He ghosts and then comes back to make some brash, rushed, unaware decision, and some poorly thought out, poorly expressed statement absolving himself and others of responsibility.

It has to be a tough wakeup call to find out how hard it is to run a site when all the people who did it for free left because they hate you

 

[iShouldGoPro]

The heart and mind of the human body occupies a small percentage of the body and yet it can't function without them.

Behold how inactive the gaming and Community boards are. Observe the number of Junior accounts here. Some of these folks haven't even put in the work to be eligible to create a topic. It's Wednesday morning and GAF came back up Monday night. The threads on the gaming page would have been buried by now, because the people who do contribute to original content would have kept the flow going.

With a Content curator is gone, all you will be left with are critics with nothing to critique. People who think they know, but do not do.

Hell, anger NBAGaf was purged, they created a message board in 2014. Of course, the name of it is a banned word, but its enrollment has increased by 2000 users overnight, including folks like SunhiLegend.

Yeah, who's going to step up to create high-quality animated images of our favorite everything now that he is gone?

And if that is one example out of dozens.

Wait... Sunhi is gone? he was part of Gaf's lifeblood

And you propose many good points that make a lot of sense. Anyone that has been keeping up with Gaf since it came back up can clearly see how the quality content has diminished

 

[Cake Boss]

Wait... Sunhi is gone? he was part of Gaf's lifeblood

nah he wasn't that important, he was just a virtue signalling.

/junior poster that suddenly just started posting yesterday.

 

[jokkir]

This is what everyone left completely missed. The suicides are not for the benefit of the few remaining active GAF members. These are not lone guys making a statement or trolling but a bra burning show of commitment to leaving and staying together with the actual active posting community. It seems (and I'm checking profiles) that the current active posters left are either low posting lurkers or ALT accounts with low post counts. The community you love and defend is now a rag tag fugitive fleet searching for a new home, the rest of you are sitting on Alderaan saying how you've always loved it here.

Yeap. The several communities I was in are all ready to jump ship since this one is seemingly burning down. It really didn't help the OT communities were blocked until recently and the statement given was just straight up not adequate.

 

[Any Questions]

Wait... Sunhi is gone? he was part of Gaf's lifeblood

And you propose many good points that make a lot of sense. Anyone that has been keeping up with Gaf since it came back up can clearly see how the quality content has diminished

I meet Sunhi na BritGaf meetup. Had some quality pints and can tell you all, that man is really kind. He also loves cooking a mean curry. From first principles. None of that packet or jar muck.

 

[Clockwork]

Hell, anger NBAGaf was purged, they created a message board in 2014. Of course, the name of it is a banned word, but its enrollment has increased by 2000 users overnight, including folks like SunhiLegend.

Many splinter forums have seen increases in membership due to GAF refugees. But guess what? Think about how busy those sites were before the drama and think about how busy they will be two weeks from now. This membership flow is temporary and even perusing these offshoots it was fairly evident that a lot of posting action was strictly about the events here with vsry little contribution to normal everyday threads.

That interest is going to wane (and based on some of the long time users of those other forums) they are looking forward to the decrease in activity.

It's temporary.

 

[iShouldGoPro]

nah he wasn't that important, he was just a virtue signalling.

/junior poster that suddenly just started posting yesterday.

his quick gifs in NBAGaf during the playoffs last year were quite memorable.

I meet Sunhi na BritGaf meetup. Had some quality pints and can tell you all, that man is really kind. He also loves cooking a mean curry. From first principles. None of that packet or jar muck.

i wish i was British...

 

[Clockwork]

nah he wasn't that important, he was just a virtue signalling.

/junior poster that suddenly just started posting yesterday.

Funny because I used that term and I have been here since 2007.

wow another attention seeker on our hands.

If you think this place is so horrible why are you sticking around?

 

[Cake Boss]

Funny because I used that term and I have been here since 2007.

wow another attention seeker on our hands.

 

[dolabla]

It's certainly ironic that the culture of outrage that was allowed to permeate much of NeoGAF has led to its apparent downfall. My initial read of the situation was that it was entirely overblown given the seriousness of the accusations, none of which individually necessitate a response like this.

Maybe the site can recover, maybe not. I'm leaning towards not, right now. For myself, I wonder if indeed it is worth saving...

It was good in many ways, the no-bullshit attitude kept it clean of racism and misogyny and all that horrible shit. However it probably could have done better to curb the witchhunting and sanctimony of a lot of the board's members. I still used it a lot, though. Because if the price of the former meant having the latter then I guess it was worth it, to me.

It's sad to see a community torn apart like this, and there's no doubt that it is being torn apart. This isn't a minor thing. But it has been years in the making. The conditions of the community were just right for such an emotional reaction, and those conditions had been cultivated down through the years. In many ways this was the next logical step for NeoGAF, if you'd been watching it closely for some time.

I agree with most of what you said. This place was notorious for the guilty until proven innocent mentality. And even if you were proven innocent, you were still guilty. It was an irrational bunch that was pretty much running the show.

Most of these posters that are abandoning ship have already made their minds up and facts that may come up at a later date proving EL innocence be damned. No matter what EL proves that shows his innocence, he will always be guilty in their eyes.

I hope when this is all said done, this site can become more objective and the irrational continue to weed themselves out.

 

[The Albatross]

It has to be a tough wakeup call to find out how hard it is to run a site when all the people who did it for free left because they hate you

I don't think that Evilore really recognizes that he runs a business, or he thinks that the social rules that might apply to other people who run a business don't apply to him. The thought that he'd step down from the site that he helped create is anathema to him, like an impossible thought without any credibility. Yet, this is exactly what should have happened on Sunday, and it's something he'd expect other business leaders to do in a similar situation.

He should have announced that he was taking a leave of absence, and appointing a board (top moderaters, others) to run the site. He could have negotiated a financial settlement and turned over control of the site to the board, which would oversee expenses and income, putting income into an escrow account. But because he didn't do that, the site is inextricably tied to his poor life decisions. Members are made to choose: Visit the site and potentially support someone who has made poor life decisions that have hurt other people, or leave a site that you contributed to and felt (variably) welcome at. This is integral knowledge to business leaders who know how to run a business, and in the circumstances where business leaders don't disassociate themselves from their business when personal decisions get in the way of the business end up ruining their brand: Customers have to either be "for or against" them, and it's a terrible way to run a business.

If this were any other business, Evilore would have privately or publicly joined in condemnation, scoffed at the poor business leadership and their lack of resolute action. But, he thinks he's immune to this because it's just a videogame website or NeoGaf is my baby, if I can't have it the way I want it, nobody can. He's being petulant and childish, and his business is going to suffer because of it. But that's his MO. In the years I've been on this site, in nearly every circumstance that I can remember, Evilore has acted petulant and brash, scoffing when anybody doubts the choices he's made and trashing out at those who criticize him, because he thinks he's beyond reproach ... because he runs neogaf. I said before, the site is/was successful in spite of Evilore, not because of Evilore, but I don't think he's mature enough to consider or understand that.

*edit*

Re-reading his statement in the OP, Evilore doesn't once take responsibility for anything. It's all passive voice, "we," or "chaos ensued," "it's a process," or any time he does talk about actions he's taken, he's either bragging or there's some qualifier that prevented his action from being successful or being taken. "I was doing this, but then this other thing happened out of my control."

"I was working on a statement but the community erupted."
"I immediately talked with my mod team, clarified, explained, and tried to ensure, then chaos ensued"
"Since that whole mess we went offline"
"We've been trying to figure out the best course of action."
"I issued some statements," but only because others were "unprofessional"
"We've become increasingly stressed"
"No one has wanted to moderate for fear of backlash..."
"I've gone in there to take heat because it's my responsibility to do so before anybody else's" (Editor's note: this is straight up self-delusion. Evilore is the last person to take heat for any decisions at NeoGaf. When he does eventually take heat, it's all denials, the Royal We, and this idea that all negative situations are things out of anybody's control)
"It's not our community, it's the entire internet"

-edit-

I missed one:
"I was slow and weak. I failed to handle it quickly enough and let the team down"

Man, take some responsibility. Drop the self-delusions. Earn some integrity.

I feel like there could be a Principal Skinner meme here, "Maybe I am out of touch...? No, it's the members who are wrong."

 

[Mr. RHC]

It seems (and I'm checking profiles) that the current active posters left are either low posting lurkers or ALT accounts with low post counts.

You know, it's really rather fascinating how some of the more dedicated, enthusiastic posters have jumped the ship after... how long has GAF been offline?

 

[Raptomex]

You know, it's really rather fascinating how some of the more dedicated, enthusiastic posters have jumped the ship after... how long has GAF been offline?

2 days.

 

[Clockwork]

Most of these posters that are abandoning ship have already made their minds up and facts that may come up at a later date proving EL innocence be damned. No matter what EL proves that shows his innocence, he will always be guilty in their eyes.

Guilty or not I don't think anyone capable of rational thought should think these activities warrant the downfall of this site and its creator.

What happened, really? I mean I have read all the articles and accounts. It looks like it was something they were able to resolve privately and things even eventually lead to a relationship. It couldn't have been that awful.

Plus why the fuck is it any of our business anyway in the long run? This was a private matter that came to light via a private/friends only post on a social media website.

 

[Any Questions]

his quick gifs in NBAGaf during the playoffs last year were quite memorable.


i wish i was British...

You don't need to be British to like pints and curry. Any time your in the UK, pm me and we can see if very any of BritGaf are about for some beers.

 

[Bloodporne]

I'm in a weird spot with this whole implosion thing going on.

NeoGAF is the first message board I've even signed up to since one short stint on a music board over 10 years ago and due to my general lack of time for basically everything, I've never viewed it as much more than bursts of entertainment during a boring work day. In short, I've never felt part of some sort of "community" here.

Now that it looks pretty tumbleweeds out there and I don't recognize a whole lot of posters even, the place definitely feels weird and I'm surprising myself a bit by even noticing.

Regarding the elephant in the room:

Mr. EvilLore, revenge porn, what the fuck's the matter with you? I can't say I'm not rooting for some relative and/or new boyfriend of your lady in question there to hopefully beat some sense into you for that one. You know you deserve it.