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The state of NeoGAF
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You could be 100% right there chap
Users are concerned because, through ad revenue/VigLink affiliated links etc, GAFfers are supporting EviLore financially by using GAF. Some have decided they no longer want to do so after everything that's come to light and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah, really doesn't take a genius to figure out how to handle this situation
All it takes is being a decent human being
It really makes you wonder how GAF survived for so long and why mods put up with it (him) all this time
I can't believe I just saw a thread filled with disgusting, abhorrent, NSFW images with no warning whatsoever.
I couldn't care less about how you feel about this forum. You are a horrible, pathetic excuse for a human being if you think it's okay to post these kinds of images here just to get a petty ban. Get out and good riddance.
I really hope these aren't the kind of scumbags that will infest ResetEra.
I couldn't care less about how you feel about this forum. You are a horrible, pathetic excuse for a human being if you think it's okay to post these kinds of images here just to get a petty ban. Get out and good riddance.
I really hope these aren't the kind of scumbags that will infest ResetEra.
Lasthope106
Member
Here are my 2 rambling cents.
The one thing I have learned about this whole shitshow is that as long as the few have control over the masses, there will always be corruption, and abuse of power. Not a new concept to grasp, but I never though I would see it in a place that I joined to talk about videogames.
I strongly disagree with how the moderation has been handled at GAF for the longest time. I once got banned for calling out an asshole, even though it was pretty clear that he was an asshole poster. If NeoGAF is to survive and thrive after this, then I sure hope that moderation will be improved.
The best way I can describe how I used GAF is like a journal of my current nerdy interests. Whether it was a videogame, a movie, a tv show or a new hobby, this place is where I posted about it. Met a lot of cool peeps, was inspired to try a lot of new things, learned so many things. However, all those years that I have been active on this forum, participating, and acting in ways that I believed were helpful to others mean nothing, when the whole community can come crashing down like it did last weekend. Even as of today, there are so many good threads where I commented or found interesting that are no longer accessible.
A lot of people are choosing to leave, but I really believe nothing will be different elsewhere. Specially at this ResetEra thing if a lot of the same mods are at the helm.
One of the things I have always despised about GAF is all this celebrities/personality accounts, so if a lot of them are leaving, then good riddance. As another poster said, there will be others who will go on to become great posters, and many others will leave. That has always been the case.
I'm choosing to stay because as of today I still see the member count going up and currently stands at about 190+k. That is a lot of people. A lot of people that made this site one of their daily internet routine. I would much prefer that the site was owned by the community instead of Evilore. But even wikipedia has one person at the helm. If that's the price to pay, in order for the rest of us to have a small island in a sea of a shit, where we can discuss videogames, and other nerdy interests, then so be it.
The one thing I have learned about this whole shitshow is that as long as the few have control over the masses, there will always be corruption, and abuse of power. Not a new concept to grasp, but I never though I would see it in a place that I joined to talk about videogames.
I strongly disagree with how the moderation has been handled at GAF for the longest time. I once got banned for calling out an asshole, even though it was pretty clear that he was an asshole poster. If NeoGAF is to survive and thrive after this, then I sure hope that moderation will be improved.
The best way I can describe how I used GAF is like a journal of my current nerdy interests. Whether it was a videogame, a movie, a tv show or a new hobby, this place is where I posted about it. Met a lot of cool peeps, was inspired to try a lot of new things, learned so many things. However, all those years that I have been active on this forum, participating, and acting in ways that I believed were helpful to others mean nothing, when the whole community can come crashing down like it did last weekend. Even as of today, there are so many good threads where I commented or found interesting that are no longer accessible.
A lot of people are choosing to leave, but I really believe nothing will be different elsewhere. Specially at this ResetEra thing if a lot of the same mods are at the helm.
One of the things I have always despised about GAF is all this celebrities/personality accounts, so if a lot of them are leaving, then good riddance. As another poster said, there will be others who will go on to become great posters, and many others will leave. That has always been the case.
I'm choosing to stay because as of today I still see the member count going up and currently stands at about 190+k. That is a lot of people. A lot of people that made this site one of their daily internet routine. I would much prefer that the site was owned by the community instead of Evilore. But even wikipedia has one person at the helm. If that's the price to pay, in order for the rest of us to have a small island in a sea of a shit, where we can discuss videogames, and other nerdy interests, then so be it.
Skullface
Member
I'm at work. Care to point out which thread so I can avoid it?
aygomyownroad
Member
Same, at work and clicked the wrong thread by accident.
Its disgraceful. You don't want to be on the fourm? Well Log out then rather than risk people getting into trouble by posting things like that. Children use this forum as well for news!
dreamcastmaster
Banned
And contributed to the forum of less than ONE post per day. Your a lurker, a freeloader and this topic is the most you've posted on the forum in a long time. But somehow you know how people who care interact and contributed to the forum are going to do?
aygomyownroad
Member
"Well Guys, Its been fun..."
dreamcastmaster
Banned
They jumped right after THE ENTIRE moderation team placed out. Think outside the box on this one...
To be honest, I'm not really a fan of audio books since I prefer reading the books...I love audio dramas though. I'm not sure whether they are more popular where I live or in Japan but at least we still produce (compact) cassette which sell a lot.
(Are you sure your link is legal by the way? Even on the project's page, the author didn't post any. Didn't quote it, just in the case you might want to delete it.)
I have some random Pelikan one I bought over ten years ago. It's still going strong and I like it.
DeviantBoi
Member
So how many women have come forward? Are we seeing a pattern of sexual abuse and harassment?
Cause when the news first broke about Weinstein, the flood gates opened and there were over a dozen women come forward with their stories. Same thing happened with Trump, Cosby, O'Reilly, Ailes, and many others.
So, is there a pattern?
Cause if it's only the incidents in New Orleans and Spain, he's hardly the monster that everyone is painting him to be.
I'm not seeing the use of force, coercion, threats,or bullying, which are the definition of sexual harassment.
I'm a cynic, so I feel like the people that made a big deal out of this have their own agenda. If they're making a "competing" forum and already talking about how they'll split the ad revenue, well, the picture gets a little bit clearer. And all those "permaban me" threads are just to try and convince people that there is a max exodus to the new forum, cause more people equals more page views which equals more ad revenue.
But, like I said, that's just the cynic in me.
Cause when the news first broke about Weinstein, the flood gates opened and there were over a dozen women come forward with their stories. Same thing happened with Trump, Cosby, O'Reilly, Ailes, and many others.
So, is there a pattern?
Cause if it's only the incidents in New Orleans and Spain, he's hardly the monster that everyone is painting him to be.
I'm not seeing the use of force, coercion, threats,or bullying, which are the definition of sexual harassment.
I'm a cynic, so I feel like the people that made a big deal out of this have their own agenda. If they're making a "competing" forum and already talking about how they'll split the ad revenue, well, the picture gets a little bit clearer. And all those "permaban me" threads are just to try and convince people that there is a max exodus to the new forum, cause more people equals more page views which equals more ad revenue.
But, like I said, that's just the cynic in me.
That's the thing, those people have double standards and are complete hypocrites.
"Two wrongs, don't make a right" sums it up to be fair.
Don't forget the revenge porn posting.
Same here. I opened that thing at work
Fortunately I have a private office, but still, fuck that guy.What do you expect? Forum has been a cesspool of suicide posts for days. Moral questions aside, I'm honestly surprised by anyone still able to just keep posting like everything's normal.
Yeah its not a good look if that is whats going on there. If my kid saw it there would be hell to pay. Surely posting porn to children is illegal.
If you don't like the forum or users fine totally fine. Hell i don't like half the users in this thread, but there is a line and some of the threads definitely crossed it. I am curious if they will be using the same names.... hmmm.
why would your kid be on gaf?
Clockwork
Member
Okay Mister 1 more post per day.
This wasn't a dick waving contest. I was pointing out the ridiculousness of calling out juniors more than anything considering long term members (regardless of your opinion) are making similar observations.
Let's see here...maybe the fact that it is a videogames forum? Also last I checked you only had to be 13 to have an account. That is still a kid in my book.
That is beside the point though. Why do people have to do stuff like that? Why not just leave?
Wouldn't you like to know, Amirox.
Its tough, but the forum is imploding. Take care if NSFW is a problem as it may be posted anytime.
Dog Gifs laying with Cat Gifs..
Gafpocalypse: end of threads.
My kid is 14. Login age is 13. In my state showing a kid porn is illegal. My kid doesn't browse gaf thankfully though.
And for posting averages i post 3 times a day on average. Bit have over 5700 posts in my 5 years.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Yep and they've changed their approach too. At first it was "I hate you Tyler" thread titles, but now they've resorted to using normal thread titles.
Surely if they are that desperate to be banned they would be better with an obvious thread title so it draws more attention to the admin/mod.
appaws
Banned
I think a "cooling off" period where we stick strictly to gaming and pop culture related topics is probably a good idea, but I agree with many of the posters that it should not last forever. OT should come back at some point, IMO.
I think the emotions on display in this thread are good evidence that a little chill time is justified.
I think the emotions on display in this thread are good evidence that a little chill time is justified.
The Albatross
Member
I can assure you, my recommendations that Evilore take a leave of absence and disassociate himself from NeoGaf for some indefinite period of time are not motivated by any other forums, it's a recommendation purely for the future of this site.
Beyond that, there's no money in running off-shoot forums, they almost all universally die or hang around in the just-barely-over-the-red area of the balance sheet. People are posting permaban suicide threads to get attention, feed their egos, or virtue signal -- the idea "Look at me, look at me, I'm so virtuous please ban me." Regarding other off-shoot forums, I've been on internet forums for too damn long, and seen many rise and fall over the last... ~20 years, very few are ever as popular as the forum that they shot off form (actually I can't think of one, really), because they get insular and have little growth from those first few weeks/months. If someone asks, "Why should I join this community?" and the answer is, "We're long time members who were an off-shoot of NeoGaf," it's a bit of a tough sell, and communities need incentive to join to stay active. I'm just too old to get into another forum community, I've seen too many come and go.
*edit*
Regarding my point about the attention seeking ban threads. I get it if you don't want to monetarily support someone who you find abhorrent, Evilore, and I agree with you. However, the way to do that is not to create a thread to get attention for yourself. If you create an attention seeking thread, that generates a click (this is a necessity, how else would you get banned if nobody clicked on your thread), which is a page view, which advertisers use to calculate the value of a site, which leads to more revenue. Beyond that, reasonable people know that your'e creating that thread, hoping for others to see it ($$$), getting banned, and then going back to that thread and others to see what people said about you. If you don't agree with Evilore's hurtful life decisions enough so that you do not want to contribute to his revenue or the revenue of the site, the most effective way is to logout, remove the site from your favorites, and move on. You'll still get the itch to come back and see how this dumpster fire is burning, but ask yourself whether it's worth it for you because that's another page view. For me, I don't really have that dilemma. I have little incentive to constructively post in any other threads, but I do think that there are decisions Evilore could have taken or could still take that would make the site better and could rectify some of his past mistakes from a perspective of this community. So I'll post criticism where I see fit, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that your ban posts are anything more than you trying to feel good about yourself. If you had a true moral objection to the website, to Evilore's revenue, and anything else, you'd log out and not come back, sure you can say goodbye to your friends and look to connect with others elsewhere, but you don't need an "I protested" sticker on your way out if your moral objectives are more important than your vanity -- hundreds of people have surely done that already.
*double edit*
Also, to be clear, I think it's fine and normal if anybody posts a goodbye message, like "Sorry guys, I'm out, wishing you all the best." That's normal, there's a finality to it and you're distancing yourself from something you've been a part of for a while, so it's normal to want to have some last messages. I'm only criticizing ban requests that are trying to seem virtuous, things like posting obscene images, or replying in really crass ways, and then trying to pretend that you're better than someone else.
Clockwork
Member
They're the kind of people that love the community so much that they post disgusting shit like that for everyone to see.
Seriously, if you want to ask for a ban in an inventive way please, PLEASE refrain from using that kind of imagery.
Says the shitposter thats defending the owner that defended that pedophile.
The biggest irony in all this is they say they're doing this because the forum has become toxic, yet they're the ones making the forum toxic.
The worst thing is some of them are then trying to entice people to join them on another forum....
Yeah and I'm not going to blame them. Ten years and i'm here every day, and I do feel some emotional attachment. People need closure and for some that means they flame out. for me I'll probably let my account die on the vine and find a home elsewhere in time - unless I get banned for speaking my mind.
I won't be sad to see GAF die. Its time has come. It happened with the previous forums and it will happen with the next one.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
ahahahahaha
The Albatross
Member
Aah that's a good point, I missed that. I'll update.
Thornton Reed
Member
jesus christ.
Hahaha, when did i defend him? Receipts please. Also, stop talking about yourself in third person, it's creepy.
dolabla
Member
If he's 100% guilty and it is/was proven, that is definitely not a good look. I can see people jumping ship.
But there has absolutely been no proof other than he said she said. And like you said, she ended up dating him supposedly after it happened. I know people have different opinions on that, but that right there is a red flag to me. There's no way I could see that standing up in the courtroom.
EL also says he has proof and witnesses so why not let the dude have his due to prove his innocence. Many of these people that have left are so irrational that it just does not register to them that there are always two sides of the story; especially in a he said she said issue.
At the end of the day, these were two people who were in relationship and have now since broken up. Not saying this is what happened (I obviously don't know and neither does anybody else), but I know how these bf/gf stories can sour. And they can stay sour for a long time. This is he said she said case with holes in it imo.
Hello Tyler.
I'm not going to blame that for that either but there are better ways to protest than what that last guy did.
Oh ffs.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Okay Mister 1 more post per day.
This wasn't a dick waving contest. I was pointing out the ridiculousness of calling out juniors more than anything considering long term members (regardless of your opinion) are making similar observations.
Again, you've missed the point, continue to not understand what's going on and are virtue posting. "I've been here since 2007" so what if you've not been posting?
Euphoria14
Member
As a person who has been here since 2010 I feel like I am learning in this thread and wish to have something clarified.
In 7 years I have 1,787 posts for an average of 0.65 posts per day. Does this make my opinion less valid?
If so, I've learned that in the most recent Brave EXVIUS thread I was a top poster. Does this make my posts about that game one of the best?
I'm experiencing conflicting views and not sure how it works.
Thanks guys!
In 7 years I have 1,787 posts for an average of 0.65 posts per day. Does this make my opinion less valid?
If so, I've learned that in the most recent Brave EXVIUS thread I was a top poster. Does this make my posts about that game one of the best?
I'm experiencing conflicting views and not sure how it works.
Thanks guys!
Hypothetically speaking, if i were Tyler. You would certainly not qualify for a shower scene with me. Im a little too old for you.
Don't get your hopes on.
Clockwork
Member
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm curious, are these trolls taking advantage of the opportunity or are these people account suiciding and jumping to Recettear
lol
No, you are a lurker and you are not upholding your duty to post more than once a day. Ergo, your opinion is invalid.
My opinion is invalid, too
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