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[poppabk]

I've also been away for quite a long time, but after yet another temp ban over at RE (essentially for arguing that immigration costs money - not that immigrants are bad or that we shouldn't have them) I thought I'd check this place out again. And I have to agree that it seems to have swung pretty far right. I view myself as center-right, but that's in Swedish terms, so an American would probably consider me to be on the left. I support universal healthcare and all the other tax-financed support systems we have here in Sweden, I'm 100% for equal rights for everyone, I will never understand Trump supporters, etc. But I also like capitalism, and people being able to make money if they work hard (although the wealth distribution has gone bonkers). So yeah, somewhere in the middle.

I'm a very strong believer that everyone is entitled to their opinion and should never be banned for that (unless it's plain personal attacks or advocating murder or something), so it's great that that seems to be the new direction here, but I do hope this place can become a bit more balanced than it currently seems to be. I'm not gonna like it here if it turns into a right-wing echo chamber the way RE often seems to be for the left.

Yeah, I just caught a temp ban and came back here to see how it was going. I like the idea of more lenient moderation. Unfortunately it seems like lenient moderation seems to lead to single controversial voices dominating conversations.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Yeah, I just caught a temp ban and came back here to see how it was going. I like the idea of more lenient moderation. Unfortunately it seems like lenient moderation seems to lead to single controversial voices dominating conversations.

As opposed to mod supported radical voices being the only opinions allowed to be voiced?

Maybe certain opinions are more popular than you realize from being in a ResetERA bubble, but far more people lean towards the center than do to either extreme, but when both extremes look for enemies we always end up on the front line. Center oriented voices are very controversial for some reason, maybe it is because we are either alt-right bigots to some, and far-left commies to others.

 

[DGrayson]

I'm seeing quite a lot of bans lately when browsing GAF. Like we're having the adaptation of the movie Purge

OT is particularly toxic right now. We are trying to allow everyone to discuss civilly but some people choose to take things personal and in this case we have to moderate the forums so everyone can enjoy them.

 

[Brizzady]

Yeah, I just caught a temp ban and came back here to see how it was going. I like the idea of more lenient moderation. Unfortunately it seems like lenient moderation seems to lead to single controversial voices dominating conversations.

The way it's handled here, the dominant voices are the loudest, but not by sacrificing the voices of others, which is exactly how it's handled at RE. Look at who the mods are at RE and tell me there isn't a strong agenda. And then tell me with a straight face RE isn't being moderated based on those agendas.

 

[poppabk]

As opposed to mod supported radical voices being the only opinions allowed to be voiced?

Maybe certain opinions are more popular than you realize from being in a ResetERA bubble, but far more people lean towards the center than do to either extreme, but when both extremes look for enemies we always end up on the front line. Center oriented voices are very controversial for some reason, maybe it is because we are either alt-right bigots to some, and far-left commies to others.

I'm talking about things like -
Thread - Trayvon Martin documentary released detailing his influence and how his death ignited a movement
Post - "There are black people outside leaning against my car right now"

 

[SatansReverence]

I'm talking about things like -
Thread - Trayvon Martin documentary released detailing his influence and how his death ignited a movement
Post - "There are black people outside leaning against my car right now"

That user was reply banned from the thread...

 

[Redneckerz]

Users like Arans are still alowed to post here even when they have been banned before, so I don't think your claim is correct.

You are still allowed to post here aswell so you are right, the claim isn't correct. (I am joking!!!)

Well, if he lives in the EU, then due to GDPR / the "Right to be forgotten", NeoGAF is legally required to delete his account upon request, no?

There's nothing strange about an individual wanting their online data to be removed when leaving a service. In fact, IMO it should be encouraged.

I am not aware of GDPR policy on GAF, although it should. Perhaps it was at the registration process but i am not sure.

OT is particularly toxic right now. We are trying to allow everyone to discuss civilly but some people choose to take things personal and in this case we have to moderate the forums so everyone can enjoy them.

I am pretty sure its worked on, but i'd appreciate some more clarity as to what they are banned for (Provided this is within reasonable variables).

Just looks at page 13 onward Pretty ashamed tbh. There is already a thread to criticize other places, i dont see why more time than just that thread has to be dedicated to that. Lets make quality threads instead!

 

[Dunki]

I am not aware of GDPR policy on GAF, although it should. Perhaps it was at the registration process but i am not sure.

This is the message I get when I visit the LA Times because of this GDPR bullshit.

Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

But yes if he says he wants to delete all his data NEOGAF has to do this. If nt they can be fined with 4% of their global revenue XD

 

[norinrad]

With a well and balanced moderation, this place could thrive again. What is happening at RE is the same as the old GA, to keep those who had an opinion that was not met with high fives quiet.

 

[Dunki]

With a well and balanced moderation, this place could thrive again. What is happening at RE is the same as the old GA, to keep those who had an opinion that was not met with high fives quiet.

personally think it is even worse than it was before on GAF. Now you can not say ANYthing that is against their norm anymore. Alone tha they bann people for criticzing Journalism is ridiculous and shows how fascist their system already is If people are too scared to post something.

 

[Redneckerz]

This is the message I get when I visit the LA Times because of this GDPR bullshit.

Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

But yes if he says he wants to delete all his data NEOGAF has to do this. If nt they can be fined with 4% of their global revenue XD

It should already be apparent that they are complaint in the TOS or when registering though. But the privacy rules havent been changed since 2013, so i dunno.

 

[Dunki]

It should already be apparent that they are complaint in the TOS or when registering though. But the privacy rules havent been changed since 2013, so i dunno.

No it does not matter anymore. They have to fulfill his/her request/demand

 

[Deleted member 752119]

As opposed to mod supported radical voices being the only opinions allowed to be voiced?

Maybe certain opinions are more popular than you realize from being in a ResetERA bubble, but far more people lean towards the center than do to either extreme, but when both extremes look for enemies we always end up on the front line. Center oriented voices are very controversial for some reason, maybe it is because we are either alt-right bigots to some, and far-left commies to others.

No one is saying that Reset isn't far worse.

Just that things need to balance out. There's far too much politics on here for many of our liking in general and so much of the most frequent and aggressive posters have pretty extreme views and that drives centrists away from participating more. It's not something that can/should be solved through moderation.

Just a matter of more moderate people joining and those already here (the political compass thread shows the membership is more balanced than the actual active posters) posting more to balance things out. I'm not going to do it though as I just have little interest in talking politics online anymore. I'm trying to be more active on the gaming side though.

 

[Redneckerz]

No it does not matter anymore. They have to fulfill his/her request/demand

Actually i am not sure, because i am not sure if GAF has to adher to the GDPR. Given their location, and given how another site i frequent (who is US based) had to change its TOS for it, i would say it is the case.

I do think it matters that the GDPR is mentioned in the TOS/Privacy rules/during registration though.

 

[Dr. Claus]

He didn't ask to be banned. He said he asked for his account to be deleted, which I imagine would entail removing his username from all of his posts (and replacing it with "deleted user" or something. Reddit does that, for example).

Anyway, as I said, I'm not sure GDPR applies to a forum like GAF, and really it only legally has legs if the user is from the EU. The only reason it's such a huge deal and so many US-based companies (Google, Facebook, etc) have been scrambling for the past year or 2 is because they have tons of European customers, and it's not very plausible to design a special system just for them, so they end up adding compliance for all of their customers.

You are correct. I apologize. I had gotten that user confused with another who had asked to be banned.

OT is particularly toxic right now. We are trying to allow everyone to discuss civilly but some people choose to take things personal and in this case we have to moderate the forums so everyone can enjoy them.

Agreed. Both sides have been at each others throats with constant thread creations of 'hottakes" from the other side, which then brings the people talking about how everything is racist/sexist, how everything is going down the tubes, etc. We need an active push to move further away from the needless hostility. I have a few ideas for some neutral threads that may provide a change in pace that I will create over the next week on both gaming and OT.

 

[Dunki]

Actually i am not sure, because i am not sure if GAF has to adher to the GDPR. Given their location, and given how another site i frequent (who is US based) had to change its TOS for it, i would say it is the case.

I do think it matters that the GDPR is mentioned in the TOS/Privacy rules/during registration though.

Since I had a lot to do with it regarding E-Mails etc it really does not matter. And as long people from Europe have access to this site they have to adjust this. a TOS is not enough. Thats why many non European sites blocked access like the LA Times.

But then you also need someone who complains that they did not delete your data and who is EU citizen

 

[Cybrwzrd]

No one is saying that Reset isn't far worse.

Just that things need to balance out. There's far too much politics on here for many of our liking in general and so much of the most frequent and aggressive posters have pretty extreme views and that drives centrists away from participating more. It's not something that can/should be solved through moderation.

Just a matter of more moderate people joining and those already here (the political compass thread shows the membership is more balanced than the actual active posters) posting more to balance things out. I'm not going to do it though as I just have little interest in talking politics online anymore. I'm trying to be more active on the gaming side though.

That's the thing though, People who are truly in the center need to stop walking away and actually engage both sides instead of being disinterested and apathetic.

Boogey gets a lot of shit over this - because he does engage both sides as a centrist. And he usually has pretty good views on things. I really liked his h3h3 podcast interview.

I consider myself a centrist, tho I am sure there are those on here who think I am an alt-righter due to my less than liberal stance on some hot-button social issues, and I am sure I am a pinko commie from my stance on economic issues to the scant few alt-righters we have on this forum. I don't mind engaging either side though.

 

[poppabk]

That user was reply banned from the thread...

Yeah I saw that, and I really do like the fine grain moderation that is possible. But posts like that completely derail a thread and effectively silence

The way it's handled here, the dominant voices are the loudest, but not by sacrificing the voices of others, which is exactly how it's handled at RE. Look at who the mods are at RE and tell me there isn't a strong agenda. And then tell me with a straight face RE isn't being moderated based on those agendas.

I wish that were the case. It seems currently the dominant voices are the stupidest. And other voices are silenced because there is no articulate discussion just extremes and reactions to extremes. I don't think we need ideological moderation, but moderation on quality.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

No one is saying that Reset isn't far worse.

Just that things need to balance out. There's far too much politics on here for many of our liking in general and so much of the most frequent and aggressive posters have pretty extreme views and that drives centrists away from participating more. It's not something that can/should be solved through moderation.

Just a matter of more moderate people joining and those already here (the political compass thread shows the membership is more balanced than the actual active posters) posting more to balance things out. I'm not going to do it though as I just have little interest in talking politics online anymore. I'm trying to be more active on the gaming side though.

More moderate voices have indeed been joining over the past few weeks. It has been a relief. The problem is, they don't last long because they get triggered by post like these:

I'm talking about things like -
Thread - Trayvon Martin documentary released detailing his influence and how his death ignited a movement
Post - "There are black people outside leaning against my car right now"

I'm not talking about poppabk, but the person poppabk is talking about without naming them directly.

The same person poppabk is talking about said something like "What info did they have on Hillary?" in a thread about people dying. A mod stepped in and asked "What does this have to do with anything?"

This person in particular is frequently making non-sequitur ****posts like the two above, and even when they do (finally) managed to get banned, two more folks take their place. That Trayvon Martin thread is a good example.

In the meantime, people with "opposing views" find themselves in a Fight Club with those folks.

RIP Alfadawg, who had the time and energy to single-handedly take 'em all on.
RIP BraveOne, who fought the good fight
RIP Dr.Parity, who I barely knew.

I like AfricanKing, which means I'm also afraid for them.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Yeah I saw that, and I really do like the fine grain moderation that is possible. But posts like that completely derail a thread and effectively silence

I wish that were the case. It seems currently the dominant voices are the stupidest. And other voices are silenced because there is no articulate discussion just extremes and reactions to extremes. I don't think we need ideological moderation, but moderation on quality.

I have watched exactly this taking place on GAF, both within Gaming section (less common) and OT (more common).

For instance, someone who is railroading the thread by dodging questions and responding with vague gotchas may get moderated and told "either answer the questions presented to you or please stop shitting up the thread" (paraphrased).

Moderating quality might be a slippery slope and I'd certainly err on the side of allowing mediocre conversation, but it's a better focus than moderating the opinions themselves.

People should make use of the 'Ignore' function, too, if it becomes unbearable. Personally, I think it's healthy to feel the twinge of opposing viewpoints on a daily basis without recoiling in fear or lashing out irrationally. Keeps a person grounded.

 

[Dr. Claus]

BraveOne; Dr.Parity

Both of which relied on petty personal attacks, argued in bad faith, and continuously ignored the rules. The latter of which had no intention of actual discussion/debate, as given by his own admission. As long as you remain civil, you shouldn't have an issue. If you need to rely on petty insults, then you made a mistake at some point. However, you know this - so why the (continued) disingenuous claims?

That's the thing though, People who are truly in the center need to stop walking away and actually engage both sides instead of being disinterested and apathetic.

Boogey gets a lot of shit over this - because he does engage both sides as a centrist. And he usually has pretty good views on things. I really liked his h3h3 podcast interview.

I consider myself a centrist, tho I am sure there are those on here who think I am an alt-righter due to my less than liberal stance on some hot-button social issues, and I am sure I am a pinko commie from my stance on economic issues to the scant few alt-righters we have on this forum. I don't mind engaging either side though.

Wholeheartedly agree. Though I would suggest that this isn't just a thing for centrists, but for all. There has been far too many that relied on petty insults and hottakes instead of genuine discussion. Far more whining than ever before on how "alt-right" or "political" things have gotten, instead of simply adding an opposing viewpoint or a topic that isn't political. The former seems to be an issue given the two banned individuals mentioned above.

Whining about something won't change anything. *Actually changing* things will.

 

[Dunki]

More moderate voices have indeed been joining over the past few weeks. It has been a relief. The problem is, they don't last long because they get triggered by post like these:



I'm not talking about poppabk, but the person poppabk is talking about without naming them directly.

The same person poppabk is talking about said something like "What info did they have on Hillary?" in a thread about people dying. A mod stepped in and asked "What does this have to do with anything?"

This person in particular is frequently making non-sequitur shitposts like the two above, and even when they do (finally) managed to get banned, two more folks take their place. That Trayvon Martin thread is a good example.

In the meantime, people with "opposing views" find themselves in a Fight Club with those folks.

RIP BraveOne, who fought the good fight
RIP Dr.Parity, who I barely knew.

I like AfricanKing, which means I'm also afraid for them.

braveone was never a moderate and even he would not call him a moderate. Braveone example was banned and warned several times because of the threat of violence as one example.

If you attack people on a personal level it is your own fault if you get banned here

 

[ultrazilla]

I tend to lean just right of center.

I learned very quickly not to post in this forum as the gang mentality was too prevalent if you happened to have a different viewpoint and the moderators were garbage imo.

It's refreshing to see that the forum is a lot more balanced then it once was. There's no doubt there was a huge, toxic left leaning crowd(not all left are bad mind you) along with
left leaning moderation that basically squashed any type of civil discussion dare you have a different opinion ie; lean right.

The main gaming forum is where I usually hang out anyways and never really came to this forum because of all the toxic drama from both sides(though the left was basically
running things in here IMO).

A few peaks in here if there's movie talk or something but I generally don't come in here as again, I want to have fun and talk video games.

Still nice to see that *most* of the loud mouth, toxic posters and moderators quit and went elsewhere though.

I really like the new NeoGAF, the giveaways, streams, etc. It to me is a much more welcoming atmosphere.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers!

 

[HarryKS]

Perhaps people in the middle just don't really care about arguing and won't post as much as those who bat closer to the corners.
They just can't be arsed, which will skew the perception a bit.

There is no such thing as an 'obligation' to argue with both sides. Such an idea is preposterous and goes against the fundamental right of an individual to choose his own path.

 

[JORMBO]

In the meantime, people with "opposing views" find themselves in a Fight Club with those folks.

RIP BraveOne, who fought the good fight
RIP Dr.Parity, who I barely knew.

I like AfricanKing, which means I'm also afraid for them.

The only posts Dr.Parity has made on the entire forum over the past several months were posts complaining about the forum or Evilore.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Perhaps people in the middle just don't really care about arguing and won't post as much as those who bat closer to the corners.
They just can't be arsed, which will skew the perception a bit.

There is no such thing as an 'obligation' to argue with both sides. Such an idea is preposterous and goes against the fundamental right of an individual to choose his own path.

Totally this. People on the extremes on both sides are going to be most passionate and argumentative about politics. That's the nature of extremism. You don't find many centrists who are passionate about their views. They're mostly just "live and let live" types who just do their thing and stay out of political bickering. If any balance comes to the site it will be from more people on the left joining to argue with the people further right. Centrists are never going to engage in heated debates in large numbers. In any case, I doubt we'll see any huge surge in members (of any type). Forums are largely a relic of the past as most have moved on to social media, Reddit etc.

For me, myself being more active wouldn't help as I skew quite far left. I'm a pretty good fit for Era in that sense--I just don't like the constant hostility and negativity over there (and online in general), nor the thought policing moderation. But I'm just sick of wasting time in political arguments online so I've bowed out of those type of discussions and just focus my political energy on real world activities (protests, marches, writing my reps, donating, volunteering etc.). That's far healthier and can make an actual difference.

There's nothing good or productive that comes out of playing keyboard warrior online in general, much less on a fucking video game forum. Games themselves are huge, unproductive time sinks that I'm working on scaling back on (I'll post a thread on that in gaming here in a bit that I had over on Era a while back). Scaling back the amount of time on forums, and especially from any emotional investment in arguing on them, is going alongside that.

 

[poppabk]

I have watched exactly this taking place on GAF, both within Gaming section (less common) and OT (more common).

For instance, someone who is railroading the thread by dodging questions and responding with vague gotchas may get moderated and told "either answer the questions presented to you or please stop shitting up the thread" (paraphrased).

Moderating quality might be a slippery slope and I'd certainly err on the side of allowing mediocre conversation, but it's a better focus than moderating the opinions themselves.

People should make use of the 'Ignore' function, too, if it becomes unbearable. Personally, I think it's healthy to feel the twinge of opposing viewpoints on a daily basis without recoiling in fear or lashing out irrationally. Keeps a person grounded.

Well this is good to hear. Like I said, I only just returned and that Trayvon Martin thread was one of the first threads I clicked on, so it was disappointing to see. I was/am hoping to see moderation similar to when I joined over 10 years ago, harsh but relatively fair. Maybe its never going back to that, but maybe we can still get back to the same quality by other means.

 

[JORMBO]

Totally this. People on the extremes on both sides are going to be most passionate and argumentative about politics. That's the nature of extremism. You don't find many centrists who are passionate about their views. They're mostly just "live and let live" types who just do their thing and stay out of political bickering. If any balance comes to the site it will be from more people on the left joining to argue with the people further right. Centrists are never going to engage in heated debates in large numbers. In any case, I doubt we'll see any huge surge in members (of any type). Forums are largely a relic of the past as most have moved on to social media, Reddit etc.

For me, myself being more active wouldn't help as I skew quite far left. I'm a pretty good fit for Era in that sense--I just don't like the constant hostility and negativity over there (and online in general), nor the thought policing moderation. But I'm just sick of wasting time in political arguments online so I've bowed out of those type of discussions and just focus my political energy on real world activities (protests, marches, writing my reps, donating, volunteering etc.). That's far healthier and can make an actual difference.

There's nothing good or productive that comes out of playing keyboard warrior online in general, much less on a fucking video game forum. Games themselves are huge, unproductive time sinks that I'm working on scaling back on (I'll post a thread on that in gaming here in a bit that I had over on Era a while back). Scaling back the amount of time on forums, and especially from any emotional investment in arguing on them is going along side that.

I consider myself in the center leaning right a bit. There are also a few things I lean left on. Sometimes I'll enter a political topic, but overall I am tired of seeing a billion political threads on a gaming forum so I don't get too involved in them. The discussions usually get too heated and I don't see much point to them so I'd rather sit out.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Nope. It's about personal information. Anonymised information - such as statements made under pseudonyms that cannot be reliably tied to a person - do not fall under "The Right To Be Forgotten" because they are, technically, already anonymised and forgotten, detached from the real person. Also, the jurisdiction of GDPR extends to data managed in European regions. Whilst other regions around the world will surely follow in due course, as of today, geography is a factor. Facebook know this and have taken steps to work around it.

That said, the European Commission is not GDPR compliant even though it was responsible for the new GDPR law, but has excused itself to the tune of "Er.. we're exempt because we say we are".

If a pseudonym is unique (i.e., no one else can post on NeoGAF with a display name of "404Ender" next to their posts), then it can be reliably tied to a person. It doesn't necessarily need to be able to be traced back to your legal name for it to be problematic. Just needs to be able to connect to you as a unique individual, whose behavior across the site can be tracked. At least, that's the interpretation that the lawyers at the company I work for have taken regarding GDPR and that are driving some of the decisions we're having to make.

Also, you don't even need any kind of pseudonym to identify someone -- metadata alone can be more than enough to do so when pooled together and correlated with other datasets.

You are likely correct about how pseudonyms apply to "Right to be forgotten", though, but that's just a portion of GDPR-related requirements.

Anyway, this is derailing the thread a bit. I brought up this hypothetical example because someone in the thread was acting a bit incredulous that another user would want to have their account deleted vs. just abandoning it, as if that were a strange or onerous request, or one that users don't have the right to ask. IANAL.

 

[MacReady13]

No one is saying that Reset isn't far worse.

Just that things need to balance out. There's far too much politics on here for many of our liking in general and so much of the most frequent and aggressive posters have pretty extreme views and that drives centrists away from participating more. It's not something that can/should be solved through moderation.

Just a matter of more moderate people joining and those already here (the political compass thread shows the membership is more balanced than the actual active posters) posting more to balance things out. I'm not going to do it though as I just have little interest in talking politics online anymore. I'm trying to be more active on the gaming side though.

Argue and fight against the assholes, don't cry and run off. Voice your opinion and make solid points. You might just change someone's mind. Nothing worse though than ONLY talking to like minded individuals and not hearing a differing opinion to yours...

 

[Gexxy1]

Way better than it used to be.

 

[Ke0]

I say the forums would be better if every thread that somehow became a whine fest about Era or conspiracies about "The Left" were purged, it's all people talk about and it's like holy shit way to basically be the thing you hate. It's always left this left that, era, era, era. And it's like omg can we have discussions about things with nuance? Everyone cries about how a bunch of people who are no longer on this forum calling everything "far right" while in the same breath constantly crying about "the left"

Also more consistency in checking people arguing in bad faith, you guys let JordanN run amok in threads bringing them off topic over and over and over again with his whole "white countries should be white/black people suck (but because I don't say it explicitly it's okay)! I say all this because I care about everyone" shtick only because he writes long winded posts full of nonsense and tangents with some charts. Doesn't even so much as get warnings. It's annoying and we don't care about his stupid fear. Seriously we don't care. No one cares that he wants black people to go to Liberia, no one cares about some crazy fear of minorities "taking over" and "ruining the country." It reflects badly on the rest of us and scares off potential members

 

[SatansReverence]

I say the forums would be better if every thread that somehow became a whine fest about Era or conspiracies about "The Left" were purged, it's all people talk about and it's like holy shit way to basically be the thing you hate. It's always left this left that, era, era, era. And it's like omg can we have discussions about things with nuance? Everyone cries about how a bunch of people who are no longer on this forum calling everything "far right" while in the same breath constantly crying about "the left"

Do we also get to ban conspiracies about "the right" and end the endless cries of racism, alt-right, bigotry etc etc etc?

 

[Ke0]

Do we also get to ban conspiracies about "the right" and end the endless cries of racism, alt-right, bigotry etc etc etc?

Only if it goes both ways. We can't say this is a "colorblind" forum but have a dude who always cries about black people or how modern America is doomed if white people don't do sooner about minorities. Seriously no one fucking cares. Move to a new country if it bothers you that much, we don't need to constantly read about it over and over and over again across different threads, like can we have a "white genocide prevention ideas" thread so he can post all his insane shit and be done with it?

Likewise we can't say we're colorblind if people are always crying about white straight males.

And if we had less "white American society is doomed because minorities existing!", "psuedo-intellectual rant number 6842 about black people" where equally dumb people feel the need to defend the nonsense they don't even agree/care about under the guise of "difference of opinion" we'd equally have less people calling it for what it is racism.

Are we going to be a forum with real discussions or will be known as a forum that lets that kinda shite be okay because there's "discussions" being had?

I mean we can have "discussions" whether or not the Holocaust was real (it fucking was) or "child actors" in mass shootings, doesn't mean we should.

I don't believe in personal insults but I completely understand why so many posters get annoyed with JordanN's shtick it's insulting to some of them having to have "discussions" on whether or not they should go to Liberia and be happy there, or that their people are brutes and aren't as intelligent as everyone else.

Lastly how is this shite any different than someone going into every thready saying stuff like "straight white males are ruining society!" that this forum was rallying against and purged itself of and lists as a prime reason why Resetwhatever is a trash place? Let's be truly honest. If someone hopped into threads left and right and turned it into a "should we get rid of straight white men/straight white men are the worse" under the guise of difference of opinion, but argued in bad faith over and over again, dodged questions, moved goal posts constantly, how long would that person last before everyone called his/her shit for what it really was? If we wouldn't tolerate that kind of crap one way we shouldn't tolerate it at all. If we can't do that, might as well invite everyone back from Era and just keep our current moderators.

Again it doesn't paint the forum as an inclusive place in any capacity.

 

[SatansReverence]

Only if it goes both ways. We can't say this is a "colorblind" forum but have a dude who always cries about black people or how modern America is doomed if white people don't do sooner about minorities. Seriously no one fucking cares. Move to a new country if it bothers you that much, we don't need to constantly read about it over and over and over again across different threads, like can we have a "white genocide prevention ideas" thread so he can post all his insane shit and be done with it?

Likewise we can't say we're colorblind if people are always crying about white straight males.

And if we had less "white American society is doomed because minorities existing!", "psuedo-intellectual rant number 6842 about black people" where equally dumb people feel the need to defend the nonsense they don't even agree/care about under the guise of "difference of opinion" we'd equally have less people calling it for what it is racism.

Are we going to be a forum with real discussions or will be known as a forum that lets that kinda shite be okay because there's "discussions" being had?

I mean we can have "discussions" whether or not the Holocaust was real (it fucking was) or "child actors" in mass shootings, doesn't mean we should.

I don't believe in personal insults but I completely understand why so many posters get annoyed with JordanN's shtick it's insulting to some of them having to have "discussions" on whether or not they should go to Liberia and be happy there, or that their people are brutes and aren't as intelligent as everyone else.

Lastly how is this shite any different than someone going into every thready saying stuff like "straight white males are ruining society!" that this forum was rallying against and purged itself of and lists as a prime reason why Resetwhatever is a trash place? Let's be truly honest. If someone hopped into threads left and right and turned it into a "should we get rid of straight white men/straight white men are the worse" under the guise of difference of opinion, but argued in bad faith over and over again, dodged questions, moved goal posts constantly, how long would that person last before everyone called his/her shit for what it really was? If we wouldn't tolerate that kind of crap one way we shouldn't tolerate it at all. If we can't do that, might as well invite everyone back from Era and just keep our current moderators.

Again it doesn't paint the forum as an inclusive place in any capacity.

You should probably engage with a post for more than 3 seconds before your formulate your confirmation bias.

example; "phrenology"

 

[Ke0]

You should probably engage with a post for more than 3 seconds before your formulate your confirmation bias.

example; "phrenology"

I've engaged with him plenty of times. You can do a search history and see that. I don't need to engage with him every time he spouts his nonsense to form my argument. His shite is tired, we don't give a rats ass about his fear of minorities. No one cares, anyone who does care is a tosser and should go to stormfront.

 

[Silas Lang]

I say the forums would be better if every thread that somehow became a whine fest about Era or conspiracies about "The Left" were purged, it's all people talk about and it's like holy shit way to basically be the thing you hate. It's always left this left that, era, era, era. And it's like omg can we have discussions about things with nuance? Everyone cries about how a bunch of people who are no longer on this forum calling everything "far right" while in the same breath constantly crying about "the left"

Also more consistency in checking people arguing in bad faith, you guys let JordanN run amok in threads bringing them off topic over and over and over again with his whole "white countries should be white/black people suck (but because I don't say it explicitly it's okay)! I say all this because I care about everyone" shtick only because he writes long winded posts full of nonsense and tangents with some charts. Doesn't even so much as get warnings. It's annoying and we don't care about his stupid fear. Seriously we don't care. No one cares that he wants black people to go to Liberia, no one cares about some crazy fear of minorities "taking over" and "ruining the country." It reflects badly on the rest of us and scares off potential members

Yup, apparently it is 100% okay to state that black people are inherently inferior as long as you cite some pseudo science eugenics research. We literally had pages of that garbage and the message I got from moderation was "that's cool on this forum now!" That just poisons the well for everyone.

It is sad. Because there actually have been some decent disscussions too. I am 100% okay with people arguing politics and policies. I agree the site got nuts before the split. I don't think trump supporters are all evil or anything like that either. I am down to discuss taxes, immigration, healthcare, etc. If we disagree, cool, whatever. I don't take it personally nor will I insult you. However, I am not down to discuss racial superiority or inferiority. We are all capable people. Let's just keep it at that.

 

[Ke0]

Yup, apparently it is 100% okay to state that black people are inherently inferior as long as you cite some pseudo science eugenics research. We literally had pages of that garbage and the message I got from moderation was "that's cool on this forum now!" That just poisons the well for everyone.

It is sad. Because there actually have been some decent disscussions too. I am 100% okay with people arguing politics and policies. I agree the site got nuts before the split. I don't think trump supporters are all evil or anything like that either. I am down to discuss taxes, immigration, healthcare, etc. If we disagree, cool, whatever. I don't take it personally nor will I insult you. However, I am not down to discuss racial superiority or inferiority. We are all capable people. Let's just keep it at that.

Pretty much, I love reading about American politics and I learn so much about the inner workings, but I mentally check out and roll my eyes heavily every single time a thread gets hijacked by his "whites are becoming extinct in their own country" or "can we talk about black people real fast?!?" bullocks. Like who cares mate, go chew on cyanide pills in an underground bunker.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I've engaged with him plenty of times. You can do a search history and see that. I don't need to engage with him every time he spouts his nonsense to form my argument. His ****e is tired, we don't give a rats *** about his fear of minorities. No one cares, anyone who does care is a tosser and should go to stormfront.

Indeed, to embrace or encourage backseat moderation is a surefire way to perpetuate the reputation of environmental toxity.

I think moderating OT the same way one would moderate gaming side is a mistake.

 

[SatansReverence]

Yup, apparently it is 100% okay to state that black people are inherently inferior as long as you cite some pseudo science eugenics research.

You and K Ke0 are the ones who inferred superiority in the discussion because it suits your fucking agendas.

Every rational person was discussing and reading the differences.

 

[JordanN]

I missed this thread.

Apparently people are still spreading lies about me when I'm not around. It's weird that when I ask for proof of these things, they all run away to another thread to spread more lies.

"Did you know JordanN said this?!?!"
"Where did JordanN said this?"
"It doesn't matter. Trust me, I know what JordanN said!"

You guys are mad you can't debate me so you have to talk behind my back. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't consider this to be a shady and an underhanded technique.

 

[RokkanStoned]

I'm pretty happy thinking about it, we have people from each side of the spectrum, some great contributors from both sides and as well low-effort contributors and slightly agitators on both sides. It's the balance that's important to me, as I prefer discussions over debate. That said, I'd prefer if the great posters were more prone to make threads of course and that the outrage and quips about "b-b-bbut..." or partisan quips. I'd love if people kept things mostly civil and argued for their position, avoiding short sarcastic remarks or just stating their position without explanation, and preferably avoiding being too inflammatory with remarks. At times you might just vehemently disagree with someone, that doesn't mean you're supposed to emotionally lash out. If you do, there's no danger apologizing for it either and forgive and forget. No point trying to haunt a poster with his previous postings or trying to push for outrage.

 

[JetSetRadio]

It's sad. Shame era was able to grab everything, it's shite with even worse moderation but at least it's active so that's where you have to be for the news as all the puppets are putting effort in making threads about new stuff. That's all I care about in the end.

 

[JordanN]

You and K Ke0 are the ones who inferred superiority in the discussion because it suits your fucking agendas.

Every rational person was discussing and reading the differences.

Also, keep in mind that whenever I brought up Asians, they go silent.

They pick a part and cherry pick to death all my posts to make claims that I somehow hate black people. But when I start talking about Asians or other non-white groups, they run away to another thread to start spreading false claims about genociding everyone. That is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

 

[SatansReverence]

Also, keep in mind that whenever I brought up Asians, they go silent.

They pick a part and cherry pick to death all my posts to make claims that I somehow hate black people. But when I start talking about Asians or other non-white groups, they run away to another thread to start spreading false claims about genociding everyone. That is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

While I disagreed with you in that discussion, you are correct about the other users.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Like who cares mate, go chew on cyanide pills in an underground bunker.

Seriously, mate? I disagreed with him as well, but to suggest they commit suicide is just pathetic.

 

[Scopa]

Seriously, mate? I disagreed with him as well, but to suggest they commit suicide is just pathetic.

And at the same time comparing him to Hitler.

 

[JordanN]

And at the same time comparing him to Hitler.

I have a mustache. And Hitler had a mustasche too.

It means all mustache people are Hitler. Better watch out!

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I'm pretty happy thinking about it, we have people from each side of the spectrum, some great contributors from both sides and as well low-effort contributors and slightly agitators on both sides. It's the balance that's important to me, as I prefer discussions over debate. That said, I'd prefer if the great posters were more prone to make threads of course and that the outrage and quips about "b-b-bbut..." or partisan quips. I'd love if people kept things mostly civil and argued for their position, avoiding short sarcastic remarks or just stating their position without explanation, and preferably avoiding being too inflammatory with remarks. At times you might just vehemently disagree with someone, that doesn't mean you're supposed to emotionally lash out. If you do, there's no danger apologizing for it either and forgive and forget. No point trying to haunt a poster with his previous postings or trying to push for outrage.

Someone apologizing on the internet for being wrong about something??? WHERE???

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Also, keep in mind that whenever I brought up Asians, they go silent.

They pick a part and cherry pick to death all my posts to make claims that I somehow hate black people. But when I start talking about Asians or other non-white groups, they run away to another thread to start spreading false claims about genociding everyone. That is the definition of arguing in bad faith.

You mean when you bring up Asians by falsely claiming things like "Why do Japanese get a pass for their homogeneity and it's only bad when it's white people asking for it?" as if no one has ever criticized the Japanese for their own racism and nationalism issues, and as if they aren't having huge issues with their aging population slowly dying off.

People point that stuff out to you and you just plug your ears and ignore it and pretend there's a double standard. They didn't go silent. You just stopped listening (if you were ever listening in the first place).