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Wired: Next Playstation will be call Playstation 5. More details.
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alabtrosMyster
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We will get a new state of play to make sure we aren't too excited!
demigod
Member
I miss my Sony bois already
I'm here bro.
demigod
Member
Well that was a whole lot of nothing.
i wonder where all those OS changes were inspired from?
Leave it to Lort to shit on positive PS5 news
. It must really bother you that they confirmed HW RT doesn't it?
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Justin9mm
Member
How glorious would it be on the PS5 Pro to run Native 4K @60fps. That will shut the PC Masterace up! lol
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The PS5 controller has a hole in it? Interesting.
On a side note, anyone know if lube is damaging to electronic components? Asking for a friend.
On a side note, anyone know if lube is damaging to electronic components? Asking for a friend.
hunthunt
Banned
They would always be a numer behind, although if they count the Xbox one X they could name the next one Xbox 5, which would be hilarious actually.
joe_zazen
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Shmunter
Member
Thanks for asking. No, I’m just no spring chicken.are you ill?
sendit
Member
PC Masterrace play games at over 100 FPS. Also, unless Sony mandates Minimum resolution and FPS on their platform, you will never see this.
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alabtrosMyster
Member
No, the lawnmower vibrates all the time and this is annoying as hell, I heard that they are also noisier than the launch PS4's fan! It's hard to believe what those yard people are saying about sometimes.
They have 4k 120FPS monitors by now, and you'll find people who claim everybody play all games at this resolution/fps at Ultra all the time! One would wonder why they even make sub 1000$ video cards these days. - Keep in mind that only losers get non Titan cards these days.
Is is that same friend who kept the PS4 around to make fun of it?
Maybe the "Xbox one XI" or just own it and call it the "Xbots box".
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xellos2099alpha
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How about calling it: Super Xbox God Super Xbox
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Xbox Omega
sendit
Member
Xbox 4some
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Considering Xbox systems are named by someone on acid, MS should just add a sticker into every box.
The sticker has a random number on it.
Eat it gamers, mine is called Xbox 8501.
The sticker has a random number on it.
Eat it gamers, mine is called Xbox 8501.
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jonnyp
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Well, not surprising as Samsung's 8K isn't really 8K - as LG has demonstrated with their contrast modulation comparisons
Unknown Soldier
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So where are our posters who are always shitting on RT now that AMD is going to have it too? LOL
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Really? Samsung BSing?
Best Buy Canada has 65" 8k tvs on sale for $5,000 cdn.
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Zannegan
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I mean, are you talking RT as a concept or RTX as an implementation? I think you can be interested in one without being a fan of the other (for price, current gen limitations, or whathaveyou).
Edit: not that I have a horse in this race, yet.
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Dr.D00p
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Xisiqomelir
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Will be in on this since apparently I only buy odd-numbered Playstations
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not a waste of silicon and they can be effective at reducing power consumption while delivering RT in real-time (look at the PVR RT pdf I posted earlier in this thread, all sorts of neat power efficiency savings
). With that said, I could flip the question and ask how do you feel about Universal Shader units vs split VS + PS ones?There will be a day where maybe adding some smaller extensions to the shader cores and TMU’s (our GPU memory units
) will actually provide say 70-80% of the speed advantage... without being limited to a specific algorithm / acceleration structure and being flexible to reuse the shader units for other tasks. If you could achieve that and have programmable shaders pure FP throughout 40-50% higher than a solution with lots of dedicated less reusable RT cores (your new solution would have such enhanced Shaders and TMU’s) and you still beat such solution at pure RT rendering by 10-15%, why would you do that?
Let us know if you guys are alive.
Edit : Damn, beaten by Ethomaz. Ahh well he forgot to add one member though.
Again, where does he say that he is using DEDICATED ray tracing hardware cores? No where. Why? Because they don’t. They just use the GPU. Every GPU could do ray tracing. Doesn’t mean anything.
The trick is to have DEDICATED ray tracing hardware core!l, which the next Xbox WILL do, whereas the PS5 Will NOT do.
Again, where does he say that he is using DEDICATED ray tracing hardware cores? No where. Why? Because they don’t. They just use the GPU. Hence „accelerated“ by the GPU, and not dedicated hardware cores for ray tracing.
Every GPU could do ray tracing. Doesn’t mean anything.
The trick is to have DEDICATED ray tracing hardware core!l, which the next Xbox WILL do, whereas the PS5 Will NOT do.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
yOu Do noT know ThAt
. The reason they clarified is because when, in the beginning they stated the normal “GPU supports raytracing” they thought it was obvious it had dedicated HW resources for it... people decided to misunderstand and now they clarified saying that the GPU provides HW acceleration for it.Running it in software on compute shaders does not qualify for having HW acceleration for it.
At this point you are choosing to believe vague statements, retracted as that original Gears5 dev post was apparently removed, over direct statements. They could come out and say “we have dedicated RT HW cores” and likely they would get from you a “just redefining their norms shader ALU’s as RT HW cores as they are HW units too and they must be running ray tracing code in shaders... cheats!!!”.
bhunachicken
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The exact quote is that he says there is raytracing acceleration in the hardware.
To be honest, that could mean a lot of things.
My two cents is that if you're going to release a console at $500 / £500, with 16GB RAM, that SSD, that CPU and GPU, that controller, and all the other bells and whistles, you're not going to be getting god-level raytracing.
However, I think what Sony will be providing and what developers will do with it will be good and enough, and noticeable. Just don't expect night and day differences.
To be honest, that could mean a lot of things.
My two cents is that if you're going to release a console at $500 / £500, with 16GB RAM, that SSD, that CPU and GPU, that controller, and all the other bells and whistles, you're not going to be getting god-level raytracing.
However, I think what Sony will be providing and what developers will do with it will be good and enough, and noticeable. Just don't expect night and day differences.
bellome
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Because they would have had Xbox2 Vs Playstation3.
And this is not good from a marketing standpoint.
DelireMan7
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Hum... Bluepoint is working on a big PS5 title...
I am not really into new console/device but more in games. MGS2 made me buy a PS2, MGS4 a PS3 and Bloodborne a PS4.
If the Bluepoint's title end up being the long rumoured/fantasized Demon's Souls remake, it might be the game which make me buy a PS5.
I am not really into new console/device but more in games. MGS2 made me buy a PS2, MGS4 a PS3 and Bloodborne a PS4.
If the Bluepoint's title end up being the long rumoured/fantasized Demon's Souls remake, it might be the game which make me buy a PS5.
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Lort
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Leave it to Lort to shit on positive PS5 news
Exactly what is the positive news?
Do you mean copying everything the xbox dashboard does is now positive? Just checking because that would be an interesting turnaround lol
or do you mean copying the way xbox controller can be wired or wireless
... honest question
Darius87
Member
RT cores/transistors are in GPU so therefore it's called GPU accelerated, accelerated it just term that doesn't mean it won't have dedicated transistors only for RT calculations how these transistors implemented into GPU is another question it could be implemented with seperated RT cores or merged together with CU cores which would increase theyr size, and seperate RT cores increase GPU size also.
it's just different implementation into GPU, which one is better we will see.
and that's called software accelerated not hardware.
FranXico
Member
They just don't let go. Impressive.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
All games are this expensive now?
I paid £54.99 for Tekken 2
games have reduced during a generation but they always been about the same price
WHERE did he say that they will have dedicated hardware cores for RT?
LITERALLY, everyone else always say that there are DEDICATED hardware cores, just look at nVidia for example:
"features with dedicated AI and ray tracing cores for the ultimate experience."
And MS Devs: ""but I’m definitely super excited about what the new hardware could do. Having dedicated ray-tracing hardware is huge."
Again, the word "dedicated" is KEY here. For PS5 cerny just said "ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU". Well, DUH, you could use anything to accelerate ray-tracing, that does NOT mean that there is hardware cores dedicated to do nothing, but ray-tracing.
Still dont know, why you guys don't get it?! Just think about it, if they would have had dedicated hardware cores just tracing they would should it loud AF right now from the highest mountain... like seriously, why wouldn't they? Everyone else does, if they have it... "accelerated" is just marketing bullshit, like this fake "checkerboard 4K" LOL
dogmod
Neo Member
Yeah it's so cool that Microsoft did it two years ago and pioneered the concept of intelligent delivery...
Xbox One Intelligent Delivery: Everything you need to know
Intelligent Delivery could be saving space on your Xbox One – without you even realizing.
www.windowscentral.com
Oh but Sony said it yesterday lest we all forget Microsoft already implements this stuff...
jonnyp
Member
Really? Samsung BSing?
Best Buy Canada has 65" 8k tvs on sale for $5,000 cdn.
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Elevate your entertainment space with the Samsung Tizen Smart TV, featuring true-to-life 8K HDR picture, AI-powered intelligent upscaling, a stunning design, and smart home compatibility. Boasting a realistic picture that brings out every little detail, this TV lets you immerse yourself in...www.bestbuy.ca
- 65” screen with real 8K HDR (7680 x 4320) resolution brings your movies, TV shows, games, and more to life with vibrant and detailed pictures
- Quantum Processor 8K and 8K AI-upscaling bring lower quality images to the next level for a beautifully rendered picture every time
Yes, I found out about it right before I was going to pull the trigger on a 75" 8K Samsung for 3K US.
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Whitecrow
Banned
You are totally wrong mate.
If it just 'uses the GPU', it's a software implementation.
If they say 'hardware accelerated' it means that the hardware have built-in capabilities dedicated to that.
gifgaf
Member
Although I would not want to get rid of the established Dual Shock design, there is something relaxing when using the Switch's Joy-Cons with my hands relaxed at each side of me in comparison to the normal 2 handed controller.
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ZoneToo
Neo Member
I like the idea of the trigger improvements especially for racing games but I can't believe they're doubling down on the fucking controller speaker
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I like the idea of the trigger improvements especially for racing games but I can't believe they're doubling down on the fucking controller speaker
For me the speaker was a great and welcomed addition: surprised at how high quality it was actually.
ZoneToo
Neo Member
What games used it best? maybe i just missed the games that implemented it well because i can only really remember GTAV using it as the police radio and that was just a bit off putting for me.
jonnyp
Member
Yeah it's so cool that Microsoft did it two years ago and pioneered the concept of intelligent delivery...
Xbox One Intelligent Delivery: Everything you need to know
Intelligent Delivery could be saving space on your Xbox One – without you even realizing.
Oh but Sony said it yesterday lest we all forget Microsoft already implements this stuff...
So what?
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