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[Rightisright]

So basically assume the best for Microsoft while assuming the worst for the the PS5?

What a balanced approach.

Dude, they are just going off the specs that have leaked. What do you want them to do? Ignore the numbers and say that Sony will be more powerful just because?

 

[Rightisright]

So as usual no one addressing that all Devs are saying they are close in spec with most of them also saying ps5 having a slight advantage.

Doesn't fit with the 9 + to 12 narrative I guess.

Which developers?

 

[Gavon West]

I personally dont care. If the power in these machine gives us visuals that can finally match what we see in pre renders while in game, im good! I think that's what we'll get with both machines.

 

[thelastword]

As someone who has seen both dev kits, the gap between the two consoles won't be that insanely larger, I can't add anything more to that statement, believe it or not.

But if you decided to believe such a gap would exist you will be sorely disappointed (or if you're a fanboy and you're scared and panicking under a table you can relax.)

When you say you have seen both dev kits, do you mean you have seen them physically or are privy to the performance threshold on both.....Just seeing both devkits means little as per the topic at hand (which is about power and performance)…..

 

[Afro Republican]

When you say you have seen both dev kits, do you mean you have seen them physically or are privy to the performance threshold on both.....Just seeing both devkits means little as per the topic at hand (which is about power and performance)…..

I have a basic idea of the specs, all I'm saying is people who believe the rumors the gap is that wide are going to be disappointed when Sony publicly reveals the specs.

We always get bad rumors, remember when the Xbox One was going to smash the PS4 and it was going to be a heavy massive beast until the Esram leak came out and then the Jaguar stuff leaked out for both? It should be obvious after 20 years to not take these rumors at face value.

 

[Rightisright]

When DF says a game runs better on Sony hardware they're loved and promoted, when they say something good about MS they're a shill and alternate sources must be found!

Reminds me of someone who runs to post any console comparison that shows a slight better FPS result for PS4 Pro, while posting none of all the others that don't.

 

[Afro Republican]

If the power in these machine gives us visuals that can finally match what we see in pre renders while in game, im good! I think that's what we'll get with both machines.

You will be waiting for quite some time.

 

[thelastword]

I have a basic idea of the specs, all I'm saying is people who believe the rumors the gap is that wide are going to be disappointed when Sony publicly reveals the specs.

We always get bad rumors, remember when the Xbox One was going to smash the PS4 and it was going to be a heavy massive beast until the Esram leak came out and then the Jaguar stuff leaked out for both? It should be obvious after 20 years to not take these rumors at face value.

Well yeah that much is true, but people don't care regardless, they are quick to hang on to rumors from the most inane and illogical sources, even if it's not their first rodeo...…...I think it's more what they deeply want as opposed top what they believe to be true......

 

[Gavon West]

You will be waiting for quite some time.

We shall see..

 

[Gavon West]

Well yeah that much is true, but people don't care regardless, they are quick to hang on to rumors from the most inane and illogical sources, even if it's not their first rodeo...…...I think it's more what they deeply want as opposed top what they believe to be true......

I hope to fuck you're putting yourself in that realm??

In fact, perhaps you should just inhabit your own shit. I think you basically write in theories and insane sources (namely yourself) dont you?

 

[Afro Republican]

We shall see..

I'm more curious about why you think there's even a chance.

 

[Gavon West]

I'm more curious about why you think there's even a chance.

I have my reasons. Not speaking on anything yet though

 

[Mistershine.]

Wild speculation here, but what if the numbers and rumours are correct and it's 9 vs 12 but the 9 doesn't include AMD ray tracing?

Maybe Sony has their own RT solution that they'll add to the gpu bringing the overall level closer to 12 while microsoft are using AMD RT and so the gpu appears to be more powerful at first glance.

Second piece of even wilder speculation, as DXRT treats RT as shaders is it possible that the series x gpu doesn't have dedicated cores as such, but instead all of the shaders are fully capable of needs be? Kind of like an evolution of the unified shaders introduced in the 360.

 

[Rightisright]

thats what MS did this gen. they talked about having the most transistors.

Man, did MS balls up that console or what. It was like they mixed up the "things we should do" list with the "don't do this it will kill us" list.

 

[Hendrick's]

I have a basic idea of the specs, all I'm saying is people who believe the rumors the gap is that wide are going to be disappointed when Sony publicly reveals the specs.

We always get bad rumors, remember when the Xbox One was going to smash the PS4 and it was going to be a heavy massive beast until the Esram leak came out and then the Jaguar stuff leaked out for both? It should be obvious after 20 years to not take these rumors at face value.

So just to be clear, you are saying Xbox Sex will crush the puny PS5, knock her up and leave her begging for Daddy?

 

[Rightisright]

Can't believe DF think Sony would release the next PlayStation with a nearly 3 TF disadvantage, to their rival

They have lost all credibility in my book and I have now unsubscribed from their channel.

Very disappointed in them,thought they were better than that.

Oh my.... Just a tad over reaction don't you think?

 

[SleepDoctor]

I have a basic idea of the specs, all I'm saying is people who believe the rumors the gap is that wide are going to be disappointed when Sony publicly reveals the specs.

We always get bad rumors, remember when the Xbox One was going to smash the PS4 and it was going to be a heavy massive beast until the Esram leak came out and then the Jaguar stuff leaked out for both? It should be obvious after 20 years to not take these rumors at face value.

"Basic idea" is not "seen the dev kits"

 

[ethomaz]

How many "warnings" does he get? Gave him one in another thread yesterday too and he kept posting in that thread as well.

Clearly not adding anything to either thread.

I always wanted to know how many reports I receive too

 

[Old Empire.]

Can't believe DF think Sony would release the next PlayStation with a nearly 3 TF disadvantage, to their rival

They have lost all credibility in my book and I have now unsubscribed from their channel.

Very disappointed in them,thought they were better than that.

I assume the leaks are just a confirmation PS5 will be priced at $399?

Wishful thinking by many individuals Sony would swallow the 100 dollars to match MS specs.

The only alternative is the specs are wrong, Sony is releasing a $500 dollar console?

 

[Mod of War]

As someone who has seen both dev kits, the gap between the two consoles won't be that insanely larger, I can't add anything more to that statement, believe it or not.

But if you decided to believe such a gap would exist you will be sorely disappointed (or if you're a fanboy and you're scared and panicking under a table you can relax.)

Check your PMs.

 

[vpance]

Maybe Sony has their own RT solution that they'll add to the gpu bringing the overall level closer to 12 while microsoft are using AMD RT and so the gpu appears to be more powerful at first glance.

I would say it's the opposite, with that hhmmgg guy posting yesterday that XSX is on RDNA and not RDNA2 which includes AMD's own RT. Actually I'd wager that Sony had a hand in helping to develop AMD's solution.

 

[Nikana]

Check your PMs.

uh oh.

 

[Old Empire.]

I have a basic idea of the specs, all I'm saying is people who believe the rumors the gap is that wide are going to be disappointed when Sony publicly reveals the specs.

We always get bad rumors, remember when the Xbox One was going to smash the PS4 and it was going to be a heavy massive beast until the Esram leak came out and then the Jaguar stuff leaked out for both? It should be obvious after 20 years to not take these rumors at face value.

The specs are going to be determined by the price point. Before the expose in 2013 nobody expected MS would make a console for TV and sports.. Sony just resolved to just assemble parts and make a console for the gamer only. I don't think the PS4 was that mighty than Xbox One, it just the ESRAM AND DRR3 slower memory and Kinect was draining resources that was required to make the resolution better. Towards the end of the cycle, the Xbox One and PS4 resolution gap narrowed lot and there only slight discrepancies graphically. Early in the dev cycle, the PS4 advantage with raw, unused power showed.

 

[GlassAwful]

No one should be happy if this is true. This kind of gap would only serve to legitimize the Lockhart SKU which would negatively impact both MS and PS games.

I was starting to have some real hope for nextgen even with Lockhart out there because if both publishers had ~12 TF consoles you could see a scenario where multiplat devs just shit out LH ports to treat it like the red headed step child it should be but now I don't know. A Sony console at 9 TFs pushing 1440-4k games isn't going to be doing anything a 4-6 TF lockhart couldn't do at 1080p, or at least it would be close enough that devs would be like, welp might as well optimize to LH specs and scale up resolution.

Just when it was looking like we were getting beast consoles from both sides this stuff comes out.. the cycle of rumors is beyond tiring now.

That being said... people are putting way too much faith in all these rumors and leaks. The leaks have been at best compartmentalized pieces of information with no context and a metric shit ton of assumptions made to jump to some conclusions that many are far too happy to think are solid.

 

[Chiggs]

MS wins the compute unit victory! What a win!

Right?

 

[Airbus Jr]

Jesus its almost New Years Eve and you guys still here fighting about videogame console teraflops

Get a life ffs

 

[Larogue]

More than 20% difference, that's huge!

 

[GHG]

Dude, they are just going off the specs that have leaked. What do you want them to do? Ignore the numbers and say that Sony will be more powerful just because?

It's funny, because we've had previous leaks:

13TF - https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-13tf-gpu/

14TF - https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1167540/PS5-specs-PlayStation-5-specs-leak-Xbox-One-X

And this:



And ironically Eurogamer also previously published this article with the possibility of the PS5 being up to 14.7TF -

In Theory: is PS5 powered by an AMD Gonzalo processor?

The first reveal - of sorts - for PlayStation 5 has been and gone, with Sony confirming specs including an octo-core Ze…

www.eurogamer.net

There's also an interesting tidbit within that article (also written by Richard) :

It's interesting to note that both Phil Spencer (in last year's Giant Bomb E3 interview) and Mark Cerny in this week's Wired piece have veered the conversation away from teraflops and GPU compute in general. Spencer has focused on the CPU - where Ryzen architecture should deliver a huge increase in power - while Cerny's emphasis on graphics in the next-gen Sony console seemed to be focused more on ray tracing.

Well... So much for that then.

What's changed since? And why such a sudden and drastic change in tone compared to the previous article?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's funny, because we've had previous leaks:

13TF - https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-13tf-gpu/

14TF - https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1167540/PS5-specs-PlayStation-5-specs-leak-Xbox-One-X

And this:



And ironically Eurogamer also previously published this article with the possibility of the PS5 being up to 14.7TF -

In Theory: is PS5 powered by an AMD Gonzalo processor?

The first reveal - of sorts - for PlayStation 5 has been and gone, with Sony confirming specs including an octo-core Ze…

www.eurogamer.net

There's also an interesting tidbit within that article (also written by Richard) :



Well... So much for that then.

What's changed since? And why such a sudden and drastic change in tone compared to the previous article?

One gives their scoops to Leadbetter/Eurogamer, and the other gives their scoops to Wired.

 

[GHG]

DF routinely analyzes game trailers for frame rates and resolution long before the game is completed and I don't recall ever hearing you or GAF complain.

DF conducting an analysis with less than all the information or before the product goes gold is nothing new.

Not sure why there is so much outrage—particularly given the repeated disclaimer that this should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Just sounds like good old fashioned thread whining to me.

"Thread whining"... Have you checked where you are?

Anyway, the difference when they do game comparisons at an early stage is that they will at least have a trailer or screenshots or something to do analysis on.

In this case they have nothing, zilch, nada. It's pure speculation and they are running with it in a way that would make you think it's something more substantial.

As the saying goes:

 

[Rightisright]

It's funny, because we've had previous leaks:

13TF - https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-13tf-gpu/

14TF - https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1167540/PS5-specs-PlayStation-5-specs-leak-Xbox-One-X

And this:



And ironically Eurogamer also previously published this article with the possibility of the PS5 being up to 14.7TF -

In Theory: is PS5 powered by an AMD Gonzalo processor?

The first reveal - of sorts - for PlayStation 5 has been and gone, with Sony confirming specs including an octo-core Ze…

www.eurogamer.net

There's also an interesting tidbit within that article (also written by Richard) :



Well... So much for that then.

What's changed since? And why such a sudden and drastic change in tone compared to the previous article?

They can't ignore actual AMD benchmarks for the console GPUs. Do you agree it's been one of the biggest leaks for this next gen? They are just reporting on it. They wouldn't be doing their job if they did not.

 

[Airbus Jr]

It's funny, because we've had previous leaks:

13TF - https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-13tf-gpu/

14TF - https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1167540/PS5-specs-PlayStation-5-specs-leak-Xbox-One-X

And this:



And ironically Eurogamer also previously published this article with the possibility of the PS5 being up to 14.7TF -

In Theory: is PS5 powered by an AMD Gonzalo processor?

The first reveal - of sorts - for PlayStation 5 has been and gone, with Sony confirming specs including an octo-core Ze…

www.eurogamer.net

There's also an interesting tidbit within that article (also written by Richard) :



Well... So much for that then.

What's changed since? And why such a sudden and drastic change in tone compared to the previous article?

Xbox people on this thread when they heard of PS5 = 14 teraflops be like

 

[longdi]

As someone who has seen both dev kits, the gap between the two consoles won't be that insanely larger, I can't add anything more to that statement, believe it or not.

But if you decided to believe such a gap would exist you will be sorely disappointed (or if you're a fanboy and you're scared and panicking under a table you can relax.)

Wow just wow!

Is Mark Sony back in the game or not? Tell us plz

 

[Gavon West]

Xbox people on this thread when they heard of PS5 = 14 teraflops be like

Not a fucking chance. If this ^^ is Xbox fans, its because we aint trying to hear that bullshit. Sony couldnt make a 14TF console if their company mantra depended on it.

 

[GHG]

Xbox people on this thread when they heard of PS5 = 14 teraflops be like

It's basically this:

 

[sendit]

Not a fucking chance. If this ^^ is Xbox fans, its because we aint trying to hear that bullshit. Sony couldnt make a 14TF console if their company mantra depended on it.

Agreed. Not only did Sony have a more powerful system at launch (PS4:Xbone), they also priced their console cheaper (399:499). Microsoft will definitely show them again who designs the better console.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Check your PMs.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

uh oh.

I smell bacon

 

[Gavon West]

Agreed. Not only did Sony have a more powerful system at launch (PS4:Xbone), they also priced their console cheaper (399:499). Microsoft will definitely show them again who designs the better console.

Microsoft will have a near perfect launch this gen. I can guarantee it. Sony wont luck out with bad messaging this rip. Next gen gonna be a doozy boi!

 

[sendit]

Microsoft will have a near perfect launch this gen. I can guarantee it. Sony wont luck out with bad messaging this rip. Next gen gonna be a doozy boi!

Agreed. Microsoft is going to knock it out of the park. The will finally overcome the shadow of Kinect and return to their former glory of delivering a constant stream of Gears/Halo/Forza.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Not a fucking chance. If this ^^ is Xbox fans, its because we aint trying to hear that bullshit. Sony couldnt make a 14TF console if their company mantra depended on it.

Says who? Arogant cocky xbox fanboy couldnt fathom the idea of another console manufacturer creates a better system than them

I though PS2 and PS4 where you guys getting hammered pretty badly already thought you guys to be humbled but aparently not

 

[Gavon West]

Agreed. Microsoft is going to knock it out of the park. The will finally overcome the shadow of Kinect and return to their former glory of delivering a constant stream of Gears/Halo/Forza.

You wish! How deluded do you have to be to actually believe this shit tho?

 

[sendit]

You wish! How deluded do you have to be to actually believe this shit tho?

That they won't knock it out of the park? Talk about being a negative nancy.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Jesus, these last few posts is just pure console war trash. Is there anything else you kids wish to discuss ?

If not, kindly remove yourself from the thread.

 

[Gavon West]

Says who? Arogant cocky xbox fanboy couldnt fathom the idea of another console manufacturer creates a better system than them

I though PS2 and PS4 where you guys getting hammered pretty badly already thought you guys to be humbled but aparently not

Sony isnt an innovative company. They dont push the industry forward. They make banger games but as far as hardware goes, they'll get their ass handed to them in hardware and design (aside from the XOne) by Microsoft. It is what it is in my opinion.

 

[DanielsM]

Microsoft will have a near perfect launch this gen. I can guarantee it. Sony wont luck out with bad messaging this rip. Next gen gonna be a doozy boi!

Its been bad messaging already, we don't care how many consoles we sell and services. I really enjoyed Xbox in the early days 2001-2009, its not even really about bad messaging....bad decisions and unable to execute....people aren't coming back.... Which is why they say consoles are not really important.

Its not about gens, its about services.

Perfect launch of the X, seems like good hardware....sales have continued to go down from even low level.

 

[Gavon West]

That they won't knock it out of the park? Talk about being a negative nancy.

With Gears, Halo and Forza, only?

My point was that Xbox is beyond just G.H.F at this point. Well beyond. This gen will be a huge switch up from what people have grown accustomed to this gen when it comes to Xbox 1st party.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Sony isnt an innovative company. They dont push the industry forward. They make banger games but as far as hardware goes, they'll get their ass handed to them in hardware and design (aside from the XOne) by Microsoft. It is what it is in my opinion.

 

[Mod of War]

Settle down, kids.

 

[Gavon West]

This guy ^^ freaks me out. Did you have to use him? Jesus...