Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Ironic how this is coming our dear 1st victim. I see that your sanity still have not recovered since the topic is about insiders (specifically how people allegedly view them) and thus, is related in the first place.
Naww did I hurt your little feelings.

You have never once managed to present a real response to any of my points and you sure don't have the gonads to make a prediction.

You just here to try and attack people and so far you've not demonstrated much skill in that either.

Stop attacking people and start talking next gen specs.
 
Naww did I hurt your little feelings.

You have never once managed to present a real response to any of my points and you sure don't have the gonads to make a prediction.

You just here to try and attack people and so far you've not demonstrated much skill in that either.

Stop attacking people and start talking next gen specs.
I'm sorry, but over-exaggeration is over-exaggeration. If the person is unable to prove how insiders are treated like "God's gift to man" by "everyone", then the claim is not worth being taken seriously.

But you know, if you are actually sane, you would've known that.
 
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Ironic how this is coming our dear 1st victim. I see that your sanity still have not recovered since the topic is about insiders (specifically how people allegedly view them) and thus, is related in the first place.

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Are you ok dude?

you seem a little flustered

Lol gif from his live stream:
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I'm sorry, but over-exaggeration is over-exaggeration. If the person is unable to prove how insiders are treated like "God's gift to man" by "everyone", then the claim is not worth being taken seriously.

But you know, if you are actually sane, you would've known that.

Are you ok dude?

you seem a little flustered
 
To be fair klee has practically given us tflop numbers.

I mean he already said the series x was a bit above 12 navi tflops, and he already said ps5 is 5-10% above series x, so that will make ps5 a bit above 13tflops.

So its looking likely both are going for 56-60 active cu's.
If Sony does go for slightly higher end, it would be a case that they are going exclusively for a real "premium" expirence, and a $499 price tag.
It's honestly really odd, apart from the PS3 the PlayStation DNA has always been affordable but powerful.
The only reasoning I can think why they would choose this approach is because they might of felt threatened by more accessible options like streaming and wanted to differate themselves, however from a business perspective I don't think this is the best call.
Sure 13tflop vs 9tflop would produce slightly better visuals, but in terms of getting the biggest installbase possible the $399 9tf option would likely have more success in obtaining a larger installbase faster.

If a $299 lockhart is a thing it makes even less sense for Sony to go soley $499, however Sony have done crazier things, a $499 "most powerful console + best in the industry exclusives" is certainly not a bad pitch, its just not the most profitable one IMHO.
 
This user has been removed from the thread. Take a short break and reassess how you want to engage in the future within this thread.
Says he would put me on ignore, but can't help to but to make a low-effort response.


You definitely need to learn what flustered means. Well, thanks for showing me that you're not okay. Obviously, your mental state took a major hit yesterday...

lol it seems your processing unit may have overheated and now your stuck in a permanent loop.... go calm down give it a reboot and come back when you can think of something new to say.
 
lol it seems your processing unit may have overheated and now your stuck in a permanent loop.... go calm down give it a reboot and come back when you can think of something new to say.
I like how you're only here to take personal shots and claim I've gone off-topic. And yet, you're doing the exact thing you've accused me of doing. But sure, continue to dig your own grave because you're making yourself look worse and worse.
 
btw AMD's CES gpu announcements weren't exiting for me, but they do fill out the Navi picture a lot - now we have a range of Navi10s

5700XT,5700,5600XT,and 5600 - all 251mm2 chips, all the way down from 40CU to 32CU at the bottom - but the interesting thing is the clocks - game clock from 1.375 up to 1.68GHz, and boost clock from 1.56 to 1.98GHz -- look at the "waste" from trying to get a chip with 40CUs and the higher end clock.

To me this leaves a 2.1GHz clock for Sony's chip close to crazy town, but we'll see.
we are at 2.1? I thought it was closer to 1.9-2.0?
 
It won't and shouldn't work this way. I'd argue Microsoft with DirectX has probably been at this far longer and was pretty instrumental in Nvidia's hardware implementation of RT for their GPUs, will be for AMD's own and has worked with many other hardware vendors as well as engine creators towards implementation of the technique. What many game engines and GPU manufacturers are building in support for, and companies such as Nvidia have created hardware acceleration solutions to take advantage of, is quite literally called Microsoft DirectX Ray Tracing. Microsoft made it.


As far as it taking away from the percentage of the 12TF it simply won't work that way. The way Nvidia does it, for example, is they literally use far more powerful versions of their equivalent Compute Units (in Nvidia's case Streaming Processors) but despite being as powerful as they are, they are far more simplistic and stripped down in nature and don't have nearly the degree of flexibility as a typical Nvidia Streaming Processor or CUDA core that is used to make up the GPU's teraflops figure. This is why Nvidia advertises also Ray Perf such as 10GRays/s or things like "RTX-OPs". They are considered different entirely, and as such could not be used for the GPUs fp32 single precision teraflop count.

If it worked that way, Nvidia would call their RTX 2080 Ti, which is anywhere between an 11.7TFLOPS and 13.4TFLOPS card much more powerful than that since each RT Core in the RTX GPUs contains 114TFLOPS of FP16 performance. That's how powerful a single RT Core in an RTX 2080 or 2080 Ti is.

Short version: If Xbox Series X has whatever version of hardware accelerated ray tracing that AMD is using, it likely won't be counted as apart of the GPUs 12Teraflop fp32 single precision number. It'll have it's own entirely separate metric for measurement, like what Nvidia came up with for their RTX cards.


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I might stand corrected, then. We don't know too much about AMD's RT (well, I don't at least :P), but I guess if MS has been working with Nvidia they wouldn't shut AMD out of that, and the two of them have a pretty strong business relationship beyond just Xbox.

Maybe Sony and MS have also worked on RT together? Kinda like how Sony worked with IBM on Cell but the two branched out and that's how 360 got a stripped-down Cell (more or less) and PS3 got the Cell it's known for?
 
Sony could have pushed 36 UC to 2Ghz to see how Navi reacted at this speed.
they will be ready to overclock at the last minute if necessary their APU 56UC.
 
Does anyone know how the Lockhart rumours started again?. I mean the recent rumours after it was suggested it was canned.
$5 says all those insiders found the github docs a few weeks before _rogame revealed where his info was coming from. Same reason they broke 12tf before TGAs and were confident ps5 is weaker.
Sparkman(lockhart) is mentioned in github.
 
To be fair klee has practically given us tflop numbers.

I mean he already said the series x was a bit above 12 navi tflops, and he already said ps5 is 5-10% above series x, so that will make ps5 a bit above 13tflops.

So its looking likely both are going for 56-60 active cu's.
If Sony does go for slightly higher end, it would be a case that they are going exclusively for a real "premium" expirence, and a $499 price tag.
It's honestly really odd, apart from the PS3 the PlayStation DNA has always been affordable but powerful.
The only reasoning I can think why they would choose this approach is because they might of felt threatened by more accessible options like streaming and wanted to differate themselves, however from a business perspective I don't think this is the best call.
Sure 13tflop vs 9tflop would produce slightly better visuals, but in terms of getting the biggest installbase possible the $399 9tf option would likely have more success in obtaining a larger installbase faster.

If a $299 lockhart is a thing it makes even less sense for Sony to go soley $499, however Sony have done crazier things, a $499 "most powerful console + best in the industry exclusives" is certainly not a bad pitch, its just not the most profitable one IMHO.

It's almost like they had a change of plans suddenly maybe 1.5-2 years ago which would explain the Oberon leak, sudden departures from SIE and PS division last year, the rumors of a 2019 launch and initial talks of aiming for affordability (i.e $399) etc.

That's provided things have even changed so drastically on the APU front, mind. If that's something they've done though, it would be really uncharacteristic of Sony; usually when they pick a design they stick with it and optimize around that design the whole way through.
 
To be fair klee has practically given us tflop numbers.

I mean he already said the series x was a bit above 12 navi tflops, and he already said ps5 is 5-10% above series x, so that will make ps5 a bit above 13tflops.

This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?
 
This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?
I mean I would take 40TF's for $499
 
I would gladly eat that crow since I want the most powerful consoles possible. It's better for me, you, all other posters on here. Klee would essentially become Mangekyou Sharingan Itachi. He foresaw it all.

I see, that's why you've bought Xbone at launch. Maybe because hidden GPU in power brick
 
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This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?

What if Lockhart exists and is actually ok .. comparable with PS5 .. maybe the 400mm2 monster chip we've seen is their pro model for 8k

So PS5 (and lockhart) are actually ~9TF, which is disappointment.
 
This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?

He said we'd be more impressed by the games than by the numbers. He didn't said we're going to be disappointed by specs.
People were talking about 18 TF and shit like that back at that time.
 
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This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?

No kidding! As long as they are above 10.7 TF (which is what Google Stadia has) I will be happy!
 
This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?
Yea 12-13TF definitely seemed to be on the higher end of people's hopes a year ago. I think the highest wish I saw was 14TF, and that was pretty much laughed at by everyone.
 
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Yea 12-13TF definitely seemed to be on the higher end of people's expectations a year ago. I think the highest wish I saw was 14TF, and that was pretty much laughed at by everyone.

I would be more than happy to seem them in the 12-13 TF range, which I feel should be easily attainable by both.
 
think we're supposed to have a new one at 500, but SonGoku SonGoku is MIA so .. lets's go for 1000 before launch
Launch?! this thing will reach that with just timdogs (going full mistamediax or I told you so don't matter) posts after the ps5 reveal in Feb if it happens then
 
This is the only thing that puzzles me.

If the PS5 is 13 TFs ...

And the Series X is 12 TFs ...

Why in the flying space fuck did Klee say that we're going to be disappointed with their specs?

Were people waiting to see 40TFs?
Because RDNA.

When it was 13TFs from Vega it looked by a weak generation.
If you look at the pool in ERA most voted 13, 14, 15 TFs.
 
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It's almost like they had a change of plans suddenly maybe 1.5-2 years ago which would explain the Oberon leak, sudden departures from SIE and PS division last year, the rumors of a 2019 launch and initial talks of aiming for affordability (i.e $399) etc.

That's provided things have even changed so drastically on the APU front, mind. If that's something they've done though, it would be really uncharacteristic of Sony; usually when they pick a design they stick with it and optimize around that design the whole way through.

sie management was in chaos. They lost president (kodera), wws head, and demoted shu. This tells me something was fucked up at sony. Their content lead is now under threat, and maybe their hardware strat was bad too.

MS has more studios with way way more variety, and rumours say they are locking down third parties as well. Sony games release at a snail's pace, and there has been no expansion except for insomniac. Apparently MS is aiming for 1 exclusive per quarter. Sony cannot match that with their AAA story games taking 5 or more years, and their racing games taking 7+ years.

If their management was bad at content strat, it isnt far fetched to think they would be bad at hardware strategy as well. Not technical incompetence mind, but strategic incompetenc.
 
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