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[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

 

[pr0cs]

Not really a feature specific to Sony or Microsoft

 

[CJY]

Not really a feature specific to Sony or Microsoft

So? Does it have to be?

And btw, why would James Cooper only mention PS5's SSD then? Because PS5's SSD is a game changer and XSX's one isn't... maybe?

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Not really a feature specific to Sony or Microsoft

The PS5's SSD is considerably more optimized and faster, so I can see PlayStation's First Party Studios experiencing less crunch compared to other studios.

 

[Jigga117]

 

[Goliathy]

Can we please stop making threads based in current/former Sony First Party Devs Tweets? Thank you.

so... are we creating a thread based on this tweet to, or doesn’t that fit your narrative, OP?

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

What's this WorldStar HipHop trash doing here on a Gaming Forum?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

The PS5's SSD is considerably more optimized and faster, so I can see PlayStation's First Party Studios experiencing less crunch compared to other studios.

The Crunch can never be truly defeated. I’m sure there will always be hard to beat deadlines despite ease of use development tools

 

[pr0cs]

The PS5's SSD is considerably more optimized and faster, so I can see PlayStation's First Party Studios experiencing less crunch compared to other studios.

Only if devs spend that crunch time deciding how they want to optimize the data, so you could argue it might take MORE crunch time

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Can we please stop making threads based in current/former Sony First Party Devs Tweets? Thank you.

But Xbox Devs tweets are okay, right?

The Cognitive Dissonance is strong with this one.

 

[Jigga117]

What's this WorldStar HipHop trash doing here on a Gaming Forum?

I don't see the problem anymore than every thread opening up over some tweet of what you deemed gospel to make a system look better over another. Just saying

 

[CJY]

XSX is basically a closed PC. SSDs have been around for years and years and hasn't revolutionised everything even though they could have and all Xbox games have to run on PC and Xbone anyway. So they won't take advantage of the SSD properly.

Takes Sony to come around to show us what SSDs are truly capable of in the console space.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Only if devs spend that crunch time deciding how they want to optimize the data, so you could argue it might take MORE crunch time

You clearly have not seen, read, or payed attention as to why developers are praising the SSD on the PlayStation 5.

What you're mentioning may exist in other SSD's and studios with just the Xbox SSD, but the PS5 SSD is literally optimized so well that devs don't need to do any kind of time sinking unnecessary optimization, according to the Cerny GDC panel.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

This would agnostically apply to both systems.

You clearly have not seen, read, or payed attention as to why developers are praising the SSD on the PlayStation 5.

What you're mentioning may exist in other SSD's and studios with just the Xbox SSD, but the PS5 SSD is literally optimized so well that devs don't need to do anything basically, except port their data into the SSD, according to the Cerny GDC panel.

The only developers anyone has seen praising the SSD to evangelical levels or even beyond Microsoft's implementation are directly connected to Sony in some capacity or another.

 

[CJY]

Can we please stop making threads based in current/former Sony First Party Devs Tweets? Thank you.

So you're suggesting as long as a dev has worked for a Sony 1st party that they should be excluded from having threads made?

Insomniac made an Xbox-exclusive game you know. And Codemasters aren't 1st party either.

Anyway, silly comment is silly.

 

[Jigga117]

So you're suggesting as long as a dev has worked for a Sony 1st party that they should be excluded from having threads made?

Insomniac made an Xbox-exclusive game you know. And Codemasters aren't 1st party either.

Anyway, silly comment is silly.

No more sillier than you and others implying in your post or making these threads about the SSD somehow making up for everything else to match up with the XSX. Just saying

 

[pr0cs]

You clearly have not seen, read, or payed attention as to why developers are praising the SSD on the PlayStation 5.

And you clearly know nothing about software development.
If the SSD supports 4+ transfer modes the developers are going to spend time decided what part of their game needs to be exercised by what transfer mode.
That isn't free time and needs to thought out and researched

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

The only developers anyone has seen praising the SSD to evangelical levels or even beyond Microsoft's implementation are directly connected to Sony in some capacity or another.

Sure, let's dismiss the COUNTLESS of non-platform based journalists and articles praising the PS5 SSD, including NXGamer and Digital Foundry.

 

[CJY]

No more sillier than you and others implying in your post or making these threads about the SSD somehow making up for everything else to match up with the XSX. Just saying

True that. Guess it's silly season.

 

[Goliathy]

So you're suggesting as long as a dev has worked for a Sony 1st party that they should be excluded from having threads made?

Insomniac made an Xbox-exclusive game you know. And Codemasters aren't 1st party either.

Anyway, silly comment is silly.

Why not make a single thread? Why do we need a thread for every single tweet? This is ridiculous. Lol but ok. Go ahead. I’m out of this thread

bye.

 

[CJY]

And you clearly know nothing about software development.
If the SSD supports 4+ transfer modes the developers are going to spend time decided what part of their game needs to be exercised by what transfer mode.
That isn't free time and needs to thought out and researched

NEWS: DEVELOPER NEEDS TO THINK AND PLAN BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION. More at 11.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

And you clearly know nothing about software development.
If the SSD supports 4+ transfer modes the developers are going to spend time decided what part of their game needs to be exercised by what transfer mode.
That isn't free time and needs to thought out and researched

Another thing not at all being considered by people is that the Xbox has 10 GB's of memory with 112 GB/s more bandwidth which to a degree can be used as cache for loading in conjunction with the SSD.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

And you clearly know nothing about software development.
If the SSD supports 4+ transfer modes the developers are going to spend time decided what part of their game needs to be exercised by what transfer mode.
That isn't free time and needs to thought out and researched

Did you watch the Cerny Panel?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Sure, let's dismiss the COUNTLESS of non-platform based journalists and articles praising the PS5 SSD, including NXGamer and Digital Foundry.

None of which are developers, and neither of which are developers and are merely armchair Youtube pundits.

You're not helping your case.

 

[Bergoglio]

You are not funny anymore, OP.

Logout, now.

 

[Windows-PC]

This makes no sense to me! Development Time will drastically increase for PS5 and XBox Series X.

Because games are getting bigger, and wider, and everything, and more complex to develop.

Sure maybe there are a few things where a SSD save some time while coding, but other things will drastically increase which will lead to even longer development times.

And NO PlayStation Fans, not the fastest SSD in the Universe will be able to create 3D Models, Textures and AI's to relive development teams

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Another thing not at all being considered by people is that the Xbox has 10 GB's of memory with 112 GB/s more bandwidth which to a degree can be used as cache for loading in conjunction with the SSD.

That sounds like a headache to try and reach PlayStation 5's super smooth SSD/RAM combo with these loopholes and technical 'reach-arounds'.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

You are not funny anymore, OP.

Logout, now.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

That sounds like a headache to try and reach PlayStation 5's super smooth SSD/RAM combo with these loopholes and technical 'reach-arounds'.

Your threads are becoming loopholes and reach-arounds.

 

[ethomaz]

Arrogant.
Anti-consumers.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

You are not funny anymore, OP.

Logout, now.

Says the guy with a terribly biased post history.

 

[pr0cs]

Did you watch the Cerny Panel?

I suffered though it in its entirety, which is how I know they added more transfer modes than your typical m2 controller

 

[JLMC469]

It won’t.

But I also hear it helps reduce the cases of COVID.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Your threads are becoming loopholes and reach-arounds.

What a shame.

I actually thought for a second that you were a decent Xbox Poster.

It seems like that's not the case anymore

 

[CJY]

I suffered though it in its entirety, which is how I know they added more transfer modes than your typical m2 controller

Are you referring to the priority levels, of which PS5 has 6 and XSX only has 2?

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

None of which are developers, and neither of which are developers and are merely armchair Youtube pundits.

You're not helping your case.

Says the biggest armchair faux systems technician on NeoGAF who thinks he knows better than Sir Mark Cerny.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Look like that John Cooper ex-ND guy is hoping Sony rehires him.

 

[KlickKlack]

but sony tells me the game worlds will be bigger/richer/livelier

means bigger open world not more work to fill it up?

or can this magical ssd from sony programs games?

 

[CJY]

It won’t.

But I also hear it helps reduce the cases of COVID.

Who cares about COVID-19, we're all fucked anyway with all dem blu-rays.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

but sony tells me the game worlds will be bigger/richer/livelier

means bigger open world not more work to fill it up?

or can this magical ssd from sony programs games?

The lack of actual thinking from some of you guys is disturbing.

 

[pr0cs]

Are you referring to the priority levels, of which PS5 has 6 and XSX only has 2?

Yes exactly my point, if Mr silly wants to use that as some reason why there will be less crunch time then I'm arguing that devs will have to spend time dictating priority modes, it's unlikely the OS is going to magically know what part of the game needs access faster than others

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Says the biggest armchair faux systems technician on NeoGAF who thinks he knows better than Sir Mark Cerny.

I don't claim to be or try to elevate myself beyond more than that while others do.

You can't make the delineation between forum armchair and Youtube or journalism armchair, they're one and the same.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I don't claim to be or try to elevate myself beyond more than that while others do.

You don't need to claim when your threads and posts already do that for you.

 

[Bergoglio]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Your threads are becoming loopholes and reach-arounds.

It has become annoying. Never take a joke too far. We are gamers in a gamers forum, not comedians.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Yes exactly my point, if Mr silly wants to use that as some reason why there will be less crunch time then I'm arguing that devs will have to spend time dictating priority modes, it's unlikely the OS is going to magically know what part of the game needs access faster than others

You clearly didn't read or even try to understand the unique features of the PS5's SSD when it comes to a developer's point of view.

Imagine speaking like a software engineer and claiming that Cerny's GDC panel was "suffering" to watch.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

It has become annoying. Never take a joke too far. We are gamers in a gamers forum, not comedians.

I'm sorry, who are you again? I've literally never seen you post here before, but it seems you exist and understand GAF better than the mods themselves.

Have you seen your own posts and contributions to GAF?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

It has become annoying. Never take a joke too far. We are gamers in a gamers forum, not comedians.

Well there's a lot of comedy taking place around here but it seems select individuals don't understand that they're the butt of the joke.

 

[CJY]

Yes exactly my point, if Mr silly wants to use that as some reason why there will be less crunch time then I'm arguing that devs will have to spend time dictating priority modes, it's unlikely the OS is going to magically know what part of the game needs access faster than others

And my point is that I really don't see how that is an issue with the way games are made these days. Assets can easily hold tokens with the priority level in it as it's demanded from the SSD. Set and forget. It's super easy and saves significant time to how things are done today.

Today, if you need a piece of data urgently, you'll have to wait for seek, read and transfer. Now it's all way, way, way faster, but it's not just faster. You can literally have it borderline instantly with maximum priority level so it gets read and transferred before anything else. It's beautiful and just shows how fine-grained and precise Mark Cerny's approach is in architecting PS5. It's truly beautiful.

XSX is all just brute force. Kinda grotesque if you ask me, but some people have a fetish for grotesque things, who am I to judge?

 

[hunthunt]

This makes no sense to me! Development Time will drastically increase for PS5 and XBox Series X.

Because games are getting bigger, and wider, and everything, and more complex to develop.

Sure maybe there are a few things where a SSD save some time while coding, but other things will drastically increase which will lead to even longer development times.

And NO PlayStation Fans, not the fastest SSD in the Universe will be able to create 3D Models, Textures and AI's to relive development teams

But it makes sense for someone that actually developed a lot of games for Insomniac and Naughty Dog, so its probably true.

 

[K.N.W.]

Another thing not at all being considered by people is that the Xbox has 10 GB's of memory with 112 GB/s more bandwidth which to a degree can be used as cache for loading in conjunction with the SSD.

Except that said bandwidth is going to be easily eaten by the GPU rendering at higher resolution.....

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

But it makes sense for someone that actually developed a lot of games for Insomniac and Naughty Dog, so its probably true.

THANK YOU.