hyperbertha
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Variable I see.
[Digital Foundry]PS5 uncovered
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kbear
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Can you quote it?
Jon Neu
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Below the waist it's minimal, so that allows the brain to workload at max.
Just like when he came with the magical teraflop figure needed for 4K gaming that was, by coincidence, higher than the new Xbox One X.
He is just a designer, bro.
ethomaz
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Quote because he did not talk about software strategy.
He probably can't because Cerny didn't talk about that.
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Ascend
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If both the CPU and GPU are trying to use more power than is available, then yes, they will both downclock and you will lose performance. I wouldn't say it will tank though. Cerny is correct in saying that by lowering the clocks a little bit you reduce power consumption by quite a lot. That happens when you're boosting the clocks beyond the optimal efficiency curve of the hardware. So you wouldn't see the GPU clock from 2.23 GHz all the way down to 1.5 GHz or whatever. Most likely it will temporarily drop to 2 GHz or somewhere in that range, and when the power is available again, go back to its max clocks. The same for the CPU.
it_wasn't_me
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Of course. But they are in minority. Sadly
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Ascend
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I don't. And I didn't say that the dev kit is missing anything. I said that dev kits are generally superior to the retail console. It makes sense because developers have to debug and test things. You will never see a dev kit be weaker than the console itself. Well you can, but that would be extremely inefficient and would make it impossible for the developer to optimize for the console.
Isn't that exactly what Ascend said? The question is about workload, not frequency.
splattered
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Did you guys not watch the DF video? Cover your ears when you didnt want to hear certain facts?
Richard said it very early on in the video that Mark Cerny did acknowledge that ps5 games will be built with focus on jaguar CPU capabilities in mind.
I'm driving right now using speech to text so cant watch video and go back and quote for you, just watch the video again.
MisterXDTV
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Yeah for backwards compatibility and cross-gen titles, it doesn't have anything to do with PS5 games....
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The_Observer
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What I don't get is, what's the difference between this and PS4? My PS4 constanly changes the fan speed depending load on the system which means the system is not running always at 100% load because then the fan speed would never change. Can someone explain this?
Fake
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PS4 devkit had 4GB GDDR5 instead of final retail 8GB GDDR5. PS5 first devkit had jaguar CPU and VEGA unlike Ryzen 2 and Navi RDNA 2.0 at the final version. Gonna repeat again: PS5 devkits lacks some important features that will be on retail version. If the lastest devkit is stronger than final retail PS5 don't matter, and even if matter, playstation past tell otherwise.
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Handy Fake
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Presumably certain crossgen third party games too. Like I said, I wonder if the PS5 devkits with smartshift enabled are being kept inhouse at the minute for PS5 exclusive titles.
TheStruggler
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Funny thing is this may not even be guaranteed. The xbox one x is more powerful than the ps4 pro and the pro has had many instances where performance was better. Next gen should be a generation of options, let us dictate if we want higher frame rate or higher resolution
longdi
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What? It is exactly what happening, based on DF latest video, Mark Sony is pusing PS5 to max, and Richard, dont seem convinced. Lol
V4skunk
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And Xbone is 40% weaker than ps4.
FALCON_KICK
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For those ambitious games, the FPS on PS5 will tank similar to how it tanks for Resident Evil 3 Remake in the current generation(where the frequency for both GPU/CPU are locked). It will be upto developers to optimize those scenes for that specific console like how they do for current generation by either toning down or removing some effects or heavy implementation of dynamic resolution.
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TheStruggler
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With this deep dive now on the console, is it as doom and gloom as people were saying (mostly xbox fans prob because they've been harrassed since 2013 lol) or does it seem better than what was actually revealed?
The PS4 allows power consumption to vary and controls the temperature using the fans. The PS5 holds the power level constant, and allows the temperature to vary without changing the fan speed (in theory). When the workload would push the power consumption over the limit, the system reduces the clock speeds to compensate.
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Psykodad
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Anki
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Wait, is this official image?
longdi
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From 9min mark, Richard tried to get Mark Sony to answer PS5 base clocks, or worst case clocks in next gen games.
Mark Sony basically deflected the question by talking about PS4 overheating and shutdown.
WTF? So evasive.
I think Richard was pissed, basically calling Mark out for overclocking, and he ended the video about Mark non-committal answer about VRS, and no timeline about teardown and even throw in a KZ which was shown this time last gen.
Disappointing Sony is still hiding their cards.
Mark Sony basically deflected the question by talking about PS4 overheating and shutdown.
WTF? So evasive.
I think Richard was pissed, basically calling Mark out for overclocking, and he ended the video about Mark non-committal answer about VRS, and no timeline about teardown and even throw in a KZ which was shown this time last gen.
Disappointing Sony is still hiding their cards.
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Geki-D
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You're confusing what Richard says with Cerny. At about 5mins Richard, the DF guy, says that we're entering what he suspects to be a prolonged cross-gen period. He never quotes Cerny in any regard to that.
In the article DF comes to this conclusion because of what devs have told them, but third party devs were always going to make cross-gen games. This doesn't in any way impact the existence of exclusives.
Handy Fake
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That was my take on it.
ethomaz
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Cerny never said what you are saying...
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hyperbertha
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He was talking about third party games having a cross gen period. This is standard. There will still be PS5 exclusive first party titles that won't be designed for jaguar.
FALCON_KICK
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You claimed Microsoft upcoming new console Xbox series X too has AMD SmartShift tech.
Geki-D
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And it's the correct take. The only reference to cross-gen first party is this:
Which doesn't confirm anything other than personally, Cerny isn't a big fan of cross-gen.
Spreewaldgurke
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does this new paradigm makes the life of devs easier or harder in the long therm? 3rd party devs must scream cz they have to rethink their whole code for PS5 or?
Bladed Thesis
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longdi
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no offense, but smartshift tech is not really a positive thing to have. It is used in mobile because of limitations.
We dont know if MS will or not. It is not a big deal MS hasnt mentioned about it.
I think it will since it is part of AMD mobile. Same as i think Mark Sony is purposefully confusing everyone with what is basically overclocking.
Just logical thoughts from someone who has 20 years of console launches and warring
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icerock
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Can you dumb cunts who are parotting "Several developers speaking to Digital Foundry have stated that their current PS5 work sees them throttling back the CPU in order to ensure a sustained 2.23GHz clock on the graphics core." missed the above bit of bold?
Obviously not, more cherry-picking to push something which has been explained to death many times.
rofif
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Run, you April fools...
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it's a box aight? xbonesx looks better
ethomaz
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Richard is pretty pissed about anything related to PS5 even more after they choose MS side and lose up first-hand info from Sony.
Cerny seems passionate, clear and honest about his interviewers.
It is impressive how much in detail he goes with the tech side of PS5.
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GHG
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Considering what they've had to endure for the last 7 years, they've had no choice.
longdi
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Oh at the 6.50 mark, Richard talks about Sony disabling 'race to idle' feature. A hallmark of overclocking things to the max.
I guess PS5 will run at or near full frequency when games are loaded. Maybe Cerny will give more idle profiles down the road. lol
See what i said earlier. Spot on. 20 years of experience
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I guess PS5 will run at or near full frequency when games are loaded. Maybe Cerny will give more idle profiles down the road. lol
See what i said earlier. Spot on. 20 years of experience
User takes quote out of context, swaps 'a' for 'the'. Asked to make a topic that's honest. Again.
"We expect the GPU to spend most of its time at or close to that speed" I'm going to guess that everyone harping on the "boost" speed being a lie and that it'll spend more time at "base" didn't watch this at all, this isn't the thermally bound turbo boost from PC. Also seems to hint that the...
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Hosam6xavi
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He doesn't look like impressed with what he see from ps5 especially with what developers has said
And the absence of Variable rate shading not looking good
And the absence of Variable rate shading not looking good
Nickolaidas
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You neu nothing, Jon Neu.
StreetsofBeige
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You're never going to get a straight answer.
Sony hinging PS5 at the 10.3 max is important for the psychological double digit threshold. He will never say it can dip to under 10.
Cerny and gang could have simply skipped all this by designing a more powerful and balanced system from the start (SeX is more powerful and its gpu only runs at 1.82 ghz), but this cpu/gpu tandem thing is what you get when the system is Oberon 9.2 with a gpu upclock at 2.23 ghz.
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longdi
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Cant blame him. He was expecting more clarity, more straight talks and some demos.
Instead he is still getting winding answers and Tempest Engine. Seems like Sony has little positives to talk about in terms of hardware powers.
martino
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Normal people expect that
but PR wise rely on positive thinking of a big community where absence of something is proof it will be great is a good move.
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draliko
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actually smartshift is a nice piece of technology the problem is that sony presented it in the worst way possible. It is usefull to squeeze every little power oh your chip if you already have a comfort termal/power budget, a thing that i'm not so sure sony is having right now.
I firmly believe that the console was planned for 2019 and then rdna2 wasn't ready and neither sony so they postponed to 2020. It will for sure be a nice console and 1st party will be able to make some awesome games on it, but from a design and technological standpoint i don't like it, doesn't seem to me like a balanced system and still Sony has to prove they know how to make a silent gaming box. Beign a sucker for gaming i will buy both but the more i hear the more i think sony changed theyre plans mid year
I firmly believe that the console was planned for 2019 and then rdna2 wasn't ready and neither sony so they postponed to 2020. It will for sure be a nice console and 1st party will be able to make some awesome games on it, but from a design and technological standpoint i don't like it, doesn't seem to me like a balanced system and still Sony has to prove they know how to make a silent gaming box. Beign a sucker for gaming i will buy both but the more i hear the more i think sony changed theyre plans mid year
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joe_zazen
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StreetsofBeige
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I'll watch he video another time. Working from home doing double duty.
PS5 has no VRS?
I thought people have said VRS is a standard thing in RDNA 2??? Maybe I'm wrong.
base
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I know it.
Insane Metal
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It's been a looong generation, they are out for blood now.
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