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[Oddvintagechap]

But...also written by a woman, Amy Henning. Not Druckman.

Amy didnt write uncharted by herself. In fact he had a greater influence in Uncharted 2 then she did. Which got him the job for The Last of Us.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

That isn't my argument nor is it my job to prove your assertion. You can't make up counter points to arguments that weren't made and expect me to capitulate to you.

Your a bad faith poster. I can't believe anything you have said this entire thread that you created because you refuse to engage with what is being said by others past using it to spring board another nonsensical statement after another.

I'm sorry, it's not bad faith to expect some consistency. If she looks like a man now, she looked like a man 3 years ago. Yet no one mentioned anything about it then.

Here's the gaf thread from '17. Legitimately not a single person thought the person was a man. Because it's quite obviously a woman. Perhaps the ones who are now saying she looks like a man are the one's acting in bad faith?

The Last of Us: Part II - PGW17 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzdNECcio54

www.neogaf.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm sorry, it's not bad faith to expect some consistency. If she looks like a man now, she looked like a man 3 years ago. Yet no one mentioned anything about it then.

Here's the gaf thread from '17. Legitimately not a single person thought the person was a man. Because it's quite obviously a woman.

The Last of Us: Part II - PGW17 Trailer

It was good, I hope that it's not a flashback though like people are speculating. I'd also like to play as and be able to punch enemies as the tank chick character, she looks boss. Why would it be a flashback? Wouldnt that contradict the first trailer with the adult Ellie?

www.neogaf.com

Is anyone in that thread who didn't call her a man, now calling her a man?

Can you prove I didn't call her a man back in 2017?

Why exactly are we responsible for what other people post in the first place?

You're arguing in bad faith. Just stop

 

[Whitesnake]

Again, subjective. It's your opinion. That doesn't make it a fact.


I'm addressing it, but you're unable to understand the point. I can't sit here and try to explain it 10 different ways to help you understand where he's coming from.


He wouldn't. What also matters what he means by "misogynistic." It's likely he's referring to being prejudice against women. If ND makes a fighting game featuring a brand new female characters, people might complain as to why all the women in the game are "ugly" and they're not sexy enough. That attitude can be influenced based on other fighting game characters we see in video games. That's his belief if we see too many sexualized female characters, but that STILL doesn't mean he thinks no one should design a sexualized female character.

When has that happened?

People complained about MK11 because all of the women are wearing full coverage bodysuits whereas previous games, including MKX, had much more titillating (and unique, imo) designs. They changed something that didn't need to be changed and made intentionally made the designs less attractive than they used to be, for no good reason.
Women in fighting games who don't have sexualized designs, like Makoto from Street Fighter or Leo from Tekken, have never had any such backlash about their lack of sex appeal.
It was about unnecessary change.

It's also not a sexism thing. I saw tons of hate against Street Fighter's Abigail when he was revealed, because his character model is genuinely butt-ugly.
In comparison, Samurai Shodown's latest game featured a new character, a dark-skinned woman who is quite ripped, named Darli Dagger and she's received universal praise.

And once again you're trying to recontextualize his ridiculous statements. The idea that sexy characters are harmful to the societal conscious is retarded no matter how you spin it.

But I'm sure you will keep spinning it and hoping something sticks, right?

 

[Sakura Doritos]

I'm sorry, it's not bad faith to expect some consistency. If she looks like a man now, she looked like a man 3 years ago. Yet no one mentioned anything about it then.

Here's the gaf thread from '17. Legitimately not a single person thought the person was a man. Because it's quite obviously a woman.

The Last of Us: Part II - PGW17 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzdNECcio54

www.neogaf.com

Why are you insisting on one poster's opinion being countered by what others said in 2017?

 

[Whitesnake]

I'm sorry, it's not bad faith to expect some consistency. If she looks like a man now, she looked like a man 3 years ago. Yet no one mentioned anything about it then.

Here's the gaf thread from '17. Legitimately not a single person thought the person was a man. Because it's quite obviously a woman. Perhaps the ones who are now saying she looks like a man are the one's acting in bad faith?

The Last of Us: Part II - PGW17 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzdNECcio54

www.neogaf.com

Can you cross-reference even one person praising the design back then who is hating on it now?

Most of those people aren't even around anymore.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Is anyone in that thread who didn't call her a man, now calling her a man?

Can you prove I didn't call her a man back in 2017?

Why exactly are we responsible for what other people post in the first place?

You're arguing in bad faith. Just stop

I'd love for you to prove that you called her a man in '17. It's a low bar. Just looking for one example from anybody, anywhere. The point is this - you can't honestly watch that trailer and tell me you think that is a man. It's clearly a woman. And I'm using the very first reactions from people who saw her on gaf to prove my point.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'd love for you to prove that you called her a man in '17. It's a low bar. Just looking for one example from anybody, anywhere. The point is this - you can't honestly watch that trailer and tell me you think that is a man. It's clearly a woman. And I'm using the very first reactions from people who saw her on gaf to prove my point.

You want consistency. So show us who here commented on that thread in 2017 and is now calling her a man. If you can't, then its consistent.

Its a dumbass strawman to begin with, but i'll humour you, so go ahead and find one.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

You want consistency. So show us who here commented on that thread in 2017 and is now calling her a man. If you can't, then its consistent.

Its a dumbass strawman to begin with, but i'll humour you, so go ahead and find one.

Do you even disagree with me? When you watch that trailer from paris games week, do you think that's a man?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Do you even disagree with me? When you watch that trailer from paris games week, do you think that's a man?

I know that's a woman.

It doesn't change that I still think she looks like a man though.

You know what, after looking at that trailer again, they've made her look even more like a man going off the leaked footage

 

[IamOnline4Real]

I will say this again, Druckmann is more than free to make any type of characters he wants for his games but so is other developers and if they want have sexy designs in their games they should be free to do so.

Since when characters being sexy became a "bad thing"?

Ever since the world turned "gay"...

Spoiler

Not trying to offend anyone here but lets be real.

 

[Danjin44]

Ever since the world turned "gay"...

Spoiler

Not trying to offend anyone here but lets be real.

To me more has to do with western gaming culture. As graphics became better and more "realistic", western developers desperately trying to make gaming as "mature" industry just like movie industry so they see sexy designs as "immature". Basically most western directors want be treated like movie directors, this is heart of whats really happening with western gaming culture.

 

[DForce]

When has that happened?

People complained about MK11 because all of the women are wearing full coverage bodysuits whereas previous games, including MKX, had much more titillating (and unique, imo) designs. They changed something that didn't need to be changed and made intentionally made the designs less attractive than they used to be, for no good reason.
Women in fighting games who don't have sexualized designs, like Makoto from Street Fighter or Leo from Tekken, have never had any such backlash about their lack of sex appeal.
It was about unnecessary change.

It's also not a sexism thing. I saw tons of hate against Street Fighter's Abigail when he was revealed, because his character model is genuinely butt-ugly.
In comparison, Samurai Shodown's latest game featured a new character, a dark-skinned woman who is quite ripped, named Darli Dagger and she's received universal praise.

And once again you're trying to recontextualize his ridiculous statements. The idea that sexy characters are harmful to the societal conscious is retarded no matter how you spin it.

But I'm sure you will keep spinning it and hoping something sticks, right?

You're not even paying attention.

I said they called MKX and MK11 ugly because they lacked cleavage. Covering them up because SJW were crying is a different story. Still, they were calling them ugly because their clothing wasn't "sexy" enough. I follow the FGC very closely and this literally happened.

I also said if ND made a fighting game that doesn't include any sexualized characters, people would complain. What's differnet about Street Fighter and Tekken is that they have characters like Chun-Li, Jury, Nina, Christie and others. So this was a bad comparison.

I'm putting context to what Neil is saying. When I first quoted him, you said didn't like "attractive" female characters. It's hard to discuss a topic when you're not even paying attention.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Love the pinned comment from that video I posted: "Why not just make a good game." Yea, they did. It's called The Last of Us. You schmucks

 

[HaveButOneLife]

Do you even disagree with me? When you watch that trailer from paris games week, do you think that's a man?

We didn't see that shot of Ellie's back until a bit later. Then she looks like a man, in the original game she never had any real "signs" of her sexuality or manliness, because that's not the game they wanted to make, now it is.

 

[Whitesnake]

Covering them up because SJW were crying is a different story.

That's 99% of the reason people were mad. Some people might've said they're ugly, so what? If you want to pretend everyone thinks every character in both MKX and MK11 was ugly, feel free to do so, but that just doesn't line up with reality.

I also said if ND made a fighting game that doesn't include any sexualized characters, people would complain. What's differnet about Street Fighter and Tekken is that they have characters like Chun-Li, Jury, Nina, Christie and others. So this was a bad comparison.

And I'm telling you that non-sexualized female characters aren't a problem to anyone, so long as they were originally designed that way, which has been evidenced over and over again.

I don't particularly care if the voices in your head are telling that these hypothetical people are reacting to your hypothetical game a certain way. In the reality we live in, this isn't actually a problem.

I'm putting context to what Neil is saying. When I first quoted him, you said didn't like "attractive" female characters. It's hard to discuss a topic when you're not even paying attention

You haven't put context to anything, you've been jumping between different justifications for his absolutely ridiculous statements regarding sexy female characters and going "what he really meant was ___".

I don't care what you personally think he meant, I'm talking about what he said. "Sexual female characters = misogyny" is always going to be a shit take, especially if your prime example of how bad it can be is Cortana, a beloved character from a beloved series.

 

[DForce]

That's 99% of the reason people were mad. Some people might've said they're ugly, so what? If you want to pretend everyone thinks every character in both MKX and MK11 was ugly, feel free to do so, but that just doesn't line up with reality.



And I'm telling you that non-sexualized female characters aren't a problem to anyone, so long as they were originally designed that way, which has been evidenced over and over again.

I don't particularly care if the voices in your head are telling that these hypothetical people are reacting to your hypothetical game a certain way. In the reality we live in, this isn't actually a problem.



You haven't put context to anything, you've been jumping between different justifications for his absolutely ridiculous statements regarding sexy female characters and going "what he really meant was ___".

I don't care what you personally think he meant, I'm talking about what he said. "Sexual female characters = misogyny" is always going to be a shit take, especially if your prime example of how bad it can be is Cortana, a beloved character from a beloved series.

See, you're not even paying attention. Nou're making assumptions and now you're telling me that non-sexualized female characters aren't problem. You missed the point several times. Why should I even continue at this point?

Go back and look at my posts again because I really don't need to repeat myself.

 

[Pantz]

He could make his character how he wants without complaining about how other characters look.

 

[Stuart360]

Will people please stop making excuses for this shit, just because it involves a game you like on your console of choice. FFS.

 

[Falcs]

Druckman can go suck off the "It's MA'AM" guy.

This might be the funniest thing I've read in the past month.

 

[Whitesnake]

See, you're not even paying attention. Nou're making assumptions and now you're telling me that non-sexualized female characters aren't problem. You missed the point several times. Why should I even continue at this point?

Go back and look at my posts again because I really don't need to repeat myself.

By all means, tell me again about how much hypothetical people hate your hypothetical ND fighting game.

Or about how "these sexy female designs are misogynistic, marginalizing, objectifying, and are bad role models" somehow actually means "sexy female designs are great, but just not my cup of tea".

Or about how you think the statement "Sexy characters are perceived as sexy" is profound.

The man fucked up, you have no reason to run the gauntlet to defend someone else's bad take.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

Druckmanns words bother me because he is discouraging the existence of sexy female characters, and trying to move the world of gaming in a very boring direction.
At the end of the day, straight guys are ALWAYS going to find a certain type of girl attractive. I just have to hope that attraction is reflected in future games, despite the virtue signalers, insecure women and men in dresses.

 

[Danjin44]

He could make his character how he wants without complaining about how other characters look.

This basically my biggest issue with Druckmanns.

Is he wrong to make any character or tell any story he wants? Not all, it's his games and he can do what he wants but this applies to other developers as well. So there is nothing wrong if they want to have sexy characters designs both male and female in their games, that's all I need Druckmanns to understand.

 

[jadefire66]

He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Why do you say this like it's a good thing? Just why? Male feminists now get to decide who's a good role model for girls and who isn't? Gimme a break. You should be laughing at the ridiculous thing that he "explained". There's also an elephant in the room: fictional characters aren't role models for anybody. People usually look up to real people...

 

[Danjin44]

fictional characters aren't role models for anybody

I don't think its even healthy try make any characters in video games as role models. They are fictional characters in video games that are meant to be for entertainment.

 

[Guilty_AI]

lol.. pretending their are good narrative reasons for a woman to go around dressed in a g-string is one of my favorite thing about weebs.

Spoiler: Nier spoilers

She has a dick. She's an hermaphrodite and sees herself as a woman, but from a young age people made fun of her, called her a liar or bullied her because of her penis.
She wears sexy clothing as an attempt to make others see her as a woman.

Or thats how i remember it. Funny how your comment further proves OPs point.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I don't know the spoilers and I don't want to know the spoilers. I still don't know if the agenda is overt or whether people are overracting but I do know the agenda exists.

Let me put your question a different way: Neil Druckmann's politics/values, which are bringing about major rifts and friction between different demographics, causing white men to be demonised, persuading a whole generation of males to carry unwarranted guilt, leading to violence, suicide and ruined careers, influenced the design of Ellie. So what?

Eh, but why not just brush it under the rug and pretend we have a choice in the matter. It's only a game ... and no way have books, films, TV series or games influenced society. That would be silly. The whole SJW movement sprang from nowhere without any help from the media.

 

[Virex]

So there's been a lot of talk about this clip where he explains how it bothers him how many female game characters are hypersexualized in games. He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Serious question - why does this clip bother so many people? Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming. She was heavily influenced by Neil's politics.. So what?

Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming? Since when? Please do enlighten me

 

[Eiknarf]

I don't know the spoilers and I don't want to know the spoilers. I still don't know if the agenda is overt or whether people are overracting but I do know the agenda exists.

Let me put your question a different way: Neil Druckmann's politics/values, which are bringing about major rifts and friction between different demographics, causing white men to be demonised, persuading a whole generation of males to carry unwarranted guilt, leading to violence, suicide and ruined careers, influenced the design of Ellie. So what?

Eh, but why not just brush it under the rug and pretend we have a choice in the matter. It's only a game ... and no way have books, films, TV series or games influenced society. That would be silly. The whole SJW movement sprang from nowhere without any help from the media.

I'm thinking, if there's an agenda, it will effect its reviews and sales.
We'll find out in a month

 

[Ixiah]

So there's been a lot of talk about this clip where he explains how it bothers him how many female game characters are hypersexualized in games. He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Serious question - why does this clip bother so many people? Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming. She was heavily influenced by Neil's politics.. So what?

Sorry, but "hypersexualized" ?
You are aware that, unless you are Marvel Comics, most Female Characters that can fight have to be physical fit, right ?
As for the clothes....are they supposed to wear Burkas ?
Are Woman not allowed to be sexy ?
And yes, Neil might deluded himself into thinking Ellie is one of the most beloved Characters in gaming.....but she realy isnt.
Sure he can create a Character how he wants....but when your Customers tell you they dont like the way the Story and Character is going....its their right to not buy the Game as well.

 

[Griffon]

Those people are trying way too hard to make their violent games seem like more than what it is.

It's a game where you kill hundreds of people in (fun) gruesome ways. This is not fine art, nor is it a smart vehicle for such messages.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Sorry, but "hypersexualized" ?
You are aware that, unless you are Marvel Comics, most Female Characters that can fight have to be physical fit, right ?
As for the clothes....are they supposed to wear Burkas ?
Are Woman not allowed to be sexy ?
And yes, Neil might deluded himself into thinking Ellie is one of the most beloved Characters in gaming.....but she realy isnt.
Sure he can create a Character how he wants....but when your Customers tell you they dont like the way the Story and Character is going....its their right to not buy the Game as well.

the beautiful thing about this gaming medium - due to *creative freedom* we have creators who make characters who show tits and ass. We have creators who make characters who don't show tits and ass. It's ok to have a variety. You will be ok.

Story fine. Bitch away. Whatever. I'm gonna wait to play it in full. Then I'll judge the game.

gameplay looks phenomenal regardless. Absolutely ace

 

[Danjin44]

the beautiful thing about this gaming medium - due to *creative freedom* we have creators who make characters who show tits and ass. We have creators who make characters who don't show tits and ass. It's ok to have a variety. You will be ok.

Good, there is always room for both sexy design and none sexy design but does Druckmanns gets that or does he still try convince people all characters needs to be some kind of "role models". I mean the video you posted in OP is all about him criticizing why other developers makes their characters too "sexy".

 

[PanzerAzel]

See I actually think the opposite is true. His critics look at a muscular female character and automatically assume it's pursuing an SJW agenda without knowing her motivations, personality, flaws etc. They just look at the fact that she's muscular and female and automatically write her off. It's an identity based argument that the left uses all the time. You know who I'm not worried about writing fantastic, fleshed out characters? Neil and ND.

People view Abby through a lens of agenda due to a degree of physicality highly implausible in the narrative context of which she exists.

Colleen Fotsch (Abby reference model) is a dedicated athlete. She revolves her life around a strict training and nutritional regimen, and for a woman to attain that physique requires an entire lifestyle discipline adherence. Living in the gym daily, supplements, and more than likely doping. It isn't natural for a female to look like Abby, because she is fighting against the predispositions intrinsic to her biological sex. Druckmann has very intentionally designed her character to look androgynous, I suspect to make an implicit statement on gender fluidity in accommodation of the trans community.

Hence, an agenda. You need to understand nothing further than what your eyes see combined with a narrative that lacks justification for Abby's physique combined with Neil's position, statements and actions about trans to see it for what it is.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

People view Abby through a lens of agenda due to a degree of physicality highly implausible in the narrative context of which she exists.

Colleen Fotsch (Abby reference model) is a dedicated athlete. She revolves her life around a strict training and nutritional regimen, and for a woman to attain that physique requires an entire lifestyle discipline adherence. Living in the gym daily, supplements, and more than likely doping. It isn't natural for a female to look like Abby, because she is fighting against the predispositions intrinsic to her biological sex. Druckmann has very intentionally designed her character to look androgynous, I suspect to make an implicit statement on gender fluidity in accommodation of the trans community.

Hence, an agenda. You need to understand nothing further than what your eyes see combined with a narrative that lacks justification for Abby's physique combined with Neil's position, statements and actions about trans to see it for what it is.

You're so obsessed with her appearance. Chill yo. She can still be a great character. ND can deliver

 

[bosnianpie]

I understand the irritation many fans feel when they see a character get hijacked, for lack of a better word.

In the first game Ellie was a brave little girl, caught up in a mean world, trying to survive. That's about it. Now Ellie is a brave, young woman trying to survive in a mean world while subtly (or obviously) advocating HBTQ rights and feminism.

Her character is not growing organically anymore. She has merely adopted values the developer team hold dear to their heart.

It's predictable and boring.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

i have no issue with how the characters look, its fucking game!

but to just side swipe the story and throwing in politic bullshit for the sake of diversity is terrible and nope im not buying this game.

 

[PanzerAzel]

You're so obsessed with her appearance. Chill yo. She can still be a great character. ND can deliver

Eh, it's actually not that big of a deal to me. But I do think it's fairly indicative of Neil's personal politics infusing themselves into his works.

Which, in and of itself, I've no issue with as that's natural for any creator. I just fundamentally disagree with the premise and implications behind what Neil appears to be doing: implying that the line delineating the sexes isn't concrete, that somehow it's wrong to value women on their femininity and men on their masculinity. That the traits defining those are to be belittled or rejected outright, and that if we object to attempts to blur that distinction, we are suddenly sexists and phobes. Abby can still be a great character, but that's independent of why she needed to be transformed into a hulking shell of a man to do so. Marlene wasn't, nor was Tess, nor was Ellie.

I'm all for trans rights, but I believe it sends the wrong message to belittle women or men through the marginalization of their traits in striving for more equality/representation. Men and women are not equal, and that inequality and difference is something we should treasure, recognize value in and protect, not reject or attempt to blur.

 

[Elcid]

Something tells me he wouldn't like me playing Ada, Claire, and Jill in the last two Resident Evils with nude mods enabled. Oh well.

 

[Paracelsus]

the beautiful thing about this gaming medium - due to *creative freedom* we have creators who make characters who show tits and ass. We have creators who make characters who don't show tits and ass. It's ok to have a variety. You will be ok.

That would be ignoring all the agenda-driven western media and localization groups trying to censor Japanese games directly in Japan other than just over here.

See I actually think the opposite is true. His critics look at a muscular female character and automatically assume it's pursuing an SJW agenda without knowing her motivations, personality, flaws etc. They just look at the fact that she's muscular and female and automatically write her off. It's an identity based argument that the left uses all the time. You know who I'm not worried about writing fantastic, fleshed out characters? Neil and ND.

The aposematism theory for videogame female characters happens to be spot-on.
If you see a game featuring nothing but women that look like this, you can bet your ass someone cared enough to make it happen, and if you cared enough to make them look like that, it's quite likely the plot is going to be politically charged in the way you'd expect it to be.

You're welcome to prove otherwise, you won't find a single example other than maybe "every character, men and women alike, look ugly as hell because devs are incompetent".

 

[GymWolf]

"Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming "

lol

That annoying edgy brat?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I'm thinking, if there's an agenda, it will effect its reviews and sales.
We'll find out in a month

If the agenda is less than subtle, it will effect the reviews in a positive way. It's going to be impossible to judge it on user reviews too. We'll have SJWs, those that are on the extreme the other end, haters of the PS4/PS5 and TLOU in general, and then those who are being genuine. All we can do is seek out people with similar tastes as us who we can trust.

 

[Geki-D]

but to just side swipe the story and throwing in politic bullshit for the sake of diversity is terrible and nope im not buying this game.

Nice avatar. I'm curious to know what your opinion is on games that glorify the US military and how that isn't political.

Then you have the most political game of all time:

A game literally commissioned by the military arm of a state. It sure is funny that people seem to be ok with these politics in gaming or gun culture which is massively political in the US but, gay people? Oh no! That's too much!

 

[ahmyleg]

Seems like lots of people around here have a 10-year-old's - and only a 10-year-old's - definition of what is sexy. Don't get me wrong - I like me some fast-food bullshit slutty-looking girls, but broaden your horizons a bit, gamerboyzzzzzzzz

 

[Paracelsus]

Seems like lots of people around here have a 10-year-old's - and only a 10-year-old's - definition of what is sexy. Don't get me wrong - I like me some fast-food bullshit slutty-looking girls, but broaden your horizons a bit, gamerboyzzzzzzzz

Since you're such a badass, post what your idea of sexy is.

 

[Azurro]

This is kind of weird, are we having an influx of new members with some sort of agenda lately? I see a lot of silly arguments in favour of "woke" stuff in a sort of aggressive tone. I guess the new Naught Dog game is some sort of progressive beacon that needs to be saved now.

As for me, I'm really excited about the game, I've already booked my sex change and my butt plug is on the way to experience it fully.

 

[Geki-D]

This is kind of weird, are we having an influx of new members with some sort of agenda lately? I see a lot of silly arguments in favour of "woke" stuff in a sort of aggressive tone. I guess the new Naught Dog game is some sort of progressive beacon that needs to be saved now.

Is it ruining your echo chamber?

 

[Azurro]

Is it ruining your echo chamber?

No, no, I'm really excited about the game and my upcoming sex change. Now, don't EVER use YOUR to me, don't misgender ME! Use "deinen" instead of "yours" when speaking to me, I identify as german.

 

[Geki-D]

No, no, I'm really excited about the game and my upcoming sex change. Now, don't EVER use YOUR to me, don't misgender ME! Use "deinen" instead of "yours" when speaking to me, I identify as german.

Wow what a sick burn, bro. I'm surprised you managed to type it through all the tears in your eyes about the fact not everyone on GAF agrees with you.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

Nice avatar. I'm curious to know what your opinion is on games that glorify the US military and how that isn't political.

Then you have the most political game of all time:

A game literally commissioned by the military arm of a state. It sure is funny that people seem to be ok with these politics in gaming or gun culture which is massively political in the US but, gay people? Oh no! That's too much!

totally different idea bro.

most of us don't care what ya stick your dick into keep it yourself.