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saintjules
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Yup. And even seeing the comments from the Mods. Just goes to show you that these kinds of posts should simply be ignored unless proven to have a good track record in the industry.
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THE:MILKMAN
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Absolutely we need to see the receipts but just comparing so far what both have is pretty clear. The biggest doubt I have with the PS5 claims isn't the HW blocks as they are pretty black and white, it is the last thing Cerny said: "the best thing is as game developer you don't need to know any of this". I'm like...what is the catch!?
On SFS I've read a few links about it and it seems it is a API that takes advantage of the updated PRT hardware in the GPU? The biggest difference being the feedback from the render pipeline. All this is way over my head, though.
The bottom line here is SFS makes more efficient use of RAM to the tune of 2-3X+ physical. On PS5 Mark Cerny showed a comparison of RAM utilization and described the difference between PS4 and PS5 in terms of how much RAM is "working" at any given time. No figures were given but the graphs show a big difference.
Neo Blaster
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When 4 of your cakes are in the top 5 most delicious cakes in the world, you kind of earn that trust from cake lovers, don't you think?
SFS itself is hardware in the GPU that facilitates among other things sampler feedback for efficient texture streaming. From how it was described, devs don't have to do any special coding, the hardware determines what asset is needed for a scene(hence 0 cpu overhead). For the PS5, honestly its impressive in the sense that it can push so much data into RAM. On the other hand I'd like to see how much of a multiplier effect SFS brings and what these other things it can do are. The smarter texture streaming could be a game changer on the XSX.
If we use the 2x multiplier MSFT claims, imagine the PS5 loads 8GB of game data into RAM but about 4GB isn't needed for that scene and will be used in the next frame, on the other hand, the XSX pushes 4GB into RAM for the same scene and none of it is for the next scene. That's why I'd like to see what the actual results are for SF. Both are impressive and produce the same results with the PS5 SSD performance being unequivocal.
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FeiRR
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About game switching: we see that it takes about 6 seconds to switch between games on XSX. What happens when you switch a game is probably the following: the whole used memory is dumped into a special partition of the SSD and another game state is loaded from a different instance. We don't know if there's a difference between read and write speeds of that SSD they're using, let's simplify for now that there isn't. It then takes about 3 seconds to transfer the whole memory pool of Xbox One (those are BC games, remember) to and from SSD.
My question is: how big can X1 games be in memory? If we divide this size by 3, we might get a very, very rough estimate of average SSD speed (sustained R/W).
My question is: how big can X1 games be in memory? If we divide this size by 3, we might get a very, very rough estimate of average SSD speed (sustained R/W).
Except the previous chef and his team were pushed out and replaced by a chef with no taste buds. Now it up to the rest of the team to over come a chef with no taste buds. The studios are great but the managment is in its worst state since the ps3 days with a incompetent boob in charge. He is just lucky house and crew built something so strong not even a boob like Ryan can ruin it even though he is trying.
Stuart360
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If Lockhart is a no show at the July event, then it doesnt exist, or not anymore anyway.
HeisenbergFX4
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If it was mind games it was pretty elaborate since they briefed Devs on the machine several months ago.
It was real at one point and its possible with how the world is today it may be delayed or possibly canned all together.
I still believe its coming maybe not at launch along side the Series X but at some point.
If it was mind games then even calling the nextbox Series X was even part of that because the very name implies more then one, to me anyhow.
Fake
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I think Lockhart exist for make seX looks like a premium console, so make gave them confidence to leave the high price of seX by saying 'we have the basic and we have the premium'.
Neo Blaster
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The task is even easier when your main competition management seems to be full of chefs that, no matter what cake lovers say, think their customers want pancakes.
Neo Blaster
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At least seems to be the only one with leaked gameplay.
geordiemp
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Could be, if XSX was all out it would have 20 GB and 560 GBs and no need for the unusual fast . slow pool config.
Lockart could do its own version at lower GB and less lanes / BW.
High and low solution.
The 16 GB mixed modules suggest XSX is cost optimising which it would not have to if Lockart exists. All will become clear soon I guess ?
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alabtrosMyster
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The point of the PS5 SSD tech is to lessen RAM "wastage", Cerny claims it's the equivalent of having 2 to 3 times more memory, MS claims theirs is equivalent of having twice as much memory after Eve is taken into consideration, we have our answer right there.
I suspect that most of the difference is because going from 9GB/sec down to 4.8 yields diminishing returns (not all data can be swapped in and out at all time.
I just hope those drives have HUGE Total bytes written totals (or red)... Because they will read a megaton or data.
saintjules
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Has this been posted yet? I can't stop laughing
Yup, I posted that a while ago. Matches perfectly!
saintjules
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IntentionalPun
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I mean... sure.. but that tweet is from a Sony fanboy and is being spread by them as some "gotcha."
I don't think anyone should expect any extra features in their 3rd party games.
Just shorter load times on PS5. Of course there will be almost no load times on PS5.... so whatever "double almost no load time" is will happen on XSX lol
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THE:MILKMAN
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Great...So Geoff has seen a eye melting graphics game! Question is if this is the Tuesday game....
SportsFan581
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This will be one of those articles that IGN deletes in the not so distant future. LOL
With that said, it is true that differences in character models will probably not be as "noticeable" as the transitions from PS2/Xbox to PS360, even though the % of increase in triangles on screen could be similar. It just gets more difficult to take in without a freeze-frame. That article is a hilariously bad overreaction to the small studios that were highlighted on that Xbox event. The bigger third-parties probably have some proper showcases, along with Sony and MS.
IntentionalPun
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Or Geoff didn't read it.
"I'm sure whatever first-party games Microsoft and Sony are cooking up will be tailored toward knocking people's socks off in that regard . But people should also be prepared for the fact that the majority of the next-gen games revealed over the next few months will likely look like they could be current-gen games – at least on the surface. "
This is .... likely going to be true.
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Trueblakjedi
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MS' API roadmaps are coordinated hand in hand with Nvidia and AMD architectures. Software techniques from today manifest themselves in future silicon by definition.
There is nothing in this or future HW being designed by the ISVs (RDNA 3/4/5) that is either unknown to or outside the scope of MS' HW or software engineers. Nothing.
Tl;Dr you are wrong in part and whole on that front.
THE:MILKMAN
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Well I could understand if the IGN guy had said indies but he said the majority of next-gen games will look like current gen on the surface. That is the contentious point I think.
The first reply to the Tweet and Geoff's, Shinobi's and RGT's responses give me hope at least.
IntentionalPun
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He said "the next few months though." I took that as meaning the slate of cross-gen games we are more than likely to be seeing over the next few months.
Later in the article:
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Trueblakjedi
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I think its the other way around... push 9gbs full of textures and game data you dont need using a fixed hw budget, is less desirable than pushing 4.8 gbs if you can get exactly what onto the screen in time.
The truth is you want both. High throughput SSD, that only accesses what you need on screen as you need it.
Cerny alludes to that by saying their io solution can achieve that "if coded right". I agree with him.
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THE:MILKMAN
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It will certainly be a little embarrassing if after this Geoff's Tuesday game is some small indie Tetris clone!
That would be quite entertaining actually! No, I think there are clear hints that Geoff knows, and has probably seen, stunning third and first party games.
I don't think he would make such a Tweet and double down with: "Let's talk again soon
" if he doesn't have the receipts but we'll see really soon.
IntentionalPun
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The existence of stunning games doesn't change the fact that IGN could be right.It will certainly be a little embarrassing if after this Geoff's Tuesday game is some small indie Tetris clone!
That would be quite entertaining actually! No, I think there are clear hints that Geoff knows, and has probably seen, stunning third and first party games.
I don't think he would make such a Tweet and double down with: "Let's talk again soon
NeoGAF refuses to understand what words like "majority" mean I swear lol
For Geoff to actually be right there; that the article will age poorly... the majority of games we see in the next few months would need to look impossible on last gen. You think the majority of games we are going to see shown off for console launches are going to blow away TLOU2/RDR2/other late gen graphical stunners?
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V4skunk
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Care to follow up on this brah?
I told you i bookmarked this.......
Ptarmiganx2
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I can say that The Witcher 3, with all its glitches, clunkiness and other flaws must be the game of the last decade overall. When companies started feeding us only fractions of complete games and feeding us the rest as DLC's, the Witcher 3 was the savior. I could say that the Witcher 3 has changed the gaming industry and gamers' awareness of how much content they deserve, and it brought life to side quests, aside from silly JRPG side quests, and made them feel like their own storyline with interesting twists and surprises.
One of the biggest flaws should be its difficulty, it's simply laughable how easy it is at deathmarch difficulty, DLC's improved difficulty a bit though but the main story was just easy. Also it's the most glitched game after Mass Effect Andromeda I've experienced personally, and all of that doesn't steer me away from how amazing the game is. The music is insane, Gwent is addictive until you get many strong cards then it feels spoiled.
If I can simplify The Witcher 3 main strengths I would say: Side quests, content density. It's far from perfection, but its positives overwhelmed the negatives by a huge margin. I've spend around 450 hours in it completing nearly every possible thing and question mark.
EDIT: Shagging every woman in the game while at it.
I finished HZD right after the completing the Witcher (both on the Pro). I preferred the depth of the combat in HZD. Plus Dinosaurs! I loved the story telling and crafting in the Witcher, but there were just so many different play styles available in HZD. I watched my wife play one night, and her approach to combat was nothing like mine
Bo_Hazem
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It should be in the system, not the controller, so no worries there.
Ubisoft should stop jumping from an era to another on every installment. For me, Bayek was the perfect character to start something like that, they need to build the protagonist just like they did with Ezio.
I'm not a fan of RPG overall, although most games are adopting it even car games! I think AC Unity was the best difficulty that needed much polishing, as it's hard to kill hordes of enemies without getting killed. It forces you to be more hidden, just like an assassin.
I think they've drifted away from that, and there is no going back. Most of the AC hardcore fans preferred the older formula, although the engine needed an overhaul and combat to more difficult. AC Syndicate was the opposite to AC Unity in terms of combat difficulty, it was silly to be precise. Loved the humor overall but it was too much for the game.
I'm more than sure Valhalla will be a great game, but It's just RPG-everything that Ubisoft went through lately is worrying.
Just follow any hashtag until you get lucky
Do you know that Cory Balrog and his team went through at least three prototypes before getting it right? I think a figure of $100m was thrown around that they had burned before the game even got its shape. When I had heard about it (from someone who had worked with the guy on another project), I thought the game would be shit because it had to go through such development hell. Fortunately, they got it right in the end and the truth about development surfaced with an article, I think it was an interview with Balrog who was happy to get it off his chest with all the awards, high scores and commercial success. I respect Sony for being consistent and just keeping throwing cash at them, for sensing that their investment would return, just a bit later. A hundred million dollars for prototyping is unimaginable patience. Most big publishers would've scrapped the game long before that.
I think you missed wings of Icarus in GOW2
I'm waiting for an announcement of a military shooter from Sony. I enjoy shooters most and there's a huge gap in the market right now. If you don't like COD, there's nothing to play online now, sadly. A more tactical, slower shooter with huge player count is what I want. Sony has Killzone, SOCOM and MAG brands. With new CPU capabilities they can do a lot.
Wow, $100 million in just prototypes! I'm more than sure Sony would drop that again and then some after the massive success that it made financially and to the PS brand overall. Sony's trust and love from the masses is built, not bought.
And yes, the wings of Icarus:
I'm with you with a military, tactical shooter, not a pubg/cod style. More of a refined BF with some cover-based elements will be perfect. It would be great for them and prints more money as well. I would love a 3rd person shooter though like The Division.
Hmm, even reconstructed 4K from 1800p you can feel it being "slightly" muddy. That's why I previously said that Halo Infinite is insanely sharp and clean, not necessarily meaning that it has high quality elements which it doesn't but obviously sharp and native 4K. I game mostly 2.5m away from a 55", might jump for 65-75". But even 8K is way more sharper and cleaner, it's pretty obvious when you put both next to each other 4K vs 8K, but we're still not ready for that content wise. Raw 8K is where I might quit photography and use stills/frames instead, as it's 33.2 megapixels compared to 8.5MP in 4K.
I think your son might not be lucky to have sharp vision (no offense), I personally still can do the vision test from double the suggested distance. Funny that my mom said that I'll have bad vision from gaming when I started at 3 years old, 31 years later and still lucky, thanks to God.
Overall, a 1440p@60fps is a must, I would still take it over 2160p@30fps on shooters and car games at least, but doesn't mean that native 4K isn't the best picture quality. So I agree with you in the necessity of 60fps mode, but don't agree with you that 4K is a gimmick.
Yeah the two brother gods kicked my ass around like 40 times before beating them at Give me God of War difficulty setting. Still the hardest was the early stages of the game before you upgrade and become more powerful with better skills. Difficulty is a very important aspect in gaming, that's why I think RDR2 is barely 8/10 to my taste with too much running around and being insultingly easy. With true fast travel it would be pretty short, although explored most of the map and houses and you find some interesting things sometimes.
Yes, the banter in GOW was amazing, especially with Kratos being too serious
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't know what you want me to say. I'm no insider and I'm sure Geoff is and has seen stuff to be confident in what he says. Backed up by Shinobi a known developer insider.
Whether he only read the headline and responded to that I don't know.
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Bo_Hazem
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Combat in The Witcher 3 is mediocre anyway, but loved the dismembering. Combat in HZD is just perfection. The overall lore and story and even hidden story that you need to read all the logs and stuff inside the game gives you weird feelings. With all the charm of the outer, open world, I loved the indoors that hid some of what felt like current concerns of our world. The story grows up in you the more you push into it, the later, the better.
I would love more depth in the villages and some better facial animations on some occasions, I would say, but overall it's one of my favorite games and can't wait for the sequel!
In general, I tend to approach in a stealthy way, Solid Snake taught me that
So more tactical, probably harder ways to eliminate foes without being detected would be great in the new game.
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I sort of stopped playing the games after Assassins Creed Black Flags, I tried playing Origins but the game felt too big and too boring and I was bogged down by so many side quests forcing up me rank up because of the story mode. I guess it was Ubisofts first attempt at a massive open world RPG so that might explain it. I have not yet played AC Odyssy but since you mentioned that I may give it a try.It might surprise you, but personally, after all that talk above, Assassin's Creed Odyssey is my best game, not as perfect as God of War, which was short to my taste, but ACO was the true successor to The Witcher 3.
Naval wars, conquest wars, the story, characters, history, your choices affecting the the end story, and insanely huge world. Most of the reviewers were "annoyed" because it's too big and dense, which is double-standards to me. Yes, most of the caves had plenty of recycled elements, but at the highest difficulty it was decently balanced and I don't end up killing a wolf or a monster like in The Witcher 3 with one punch! One of the most hated things to me, that difficulty curve, it's why I still don't like RPG's that much as a concept although they tend to be addictive but grindy.
There are recycled side quests that are quite repetitive but they're for who wants to continue playing, and there are main side quests that are very polished and well-done. Music was great, and I think music overall is a critical element in all games and movies/series.
I liked the sense of humor overall, and the balance between seriousness and silliness. I've finished everything in the game and explored every house, cave, mountain
I'm biased towards Assassin's Creed anyway, although they have some flaws, but I love the history, mostly true history, behind it. But I liked it when it was against the Templars, the illuminatis, but seems they've manipulated Ubisoft lately
Shmunter
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Shmunter
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Their fault for the click bait title
IntentionalPun
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People need to lower their expectations though... did we not just get decent proof of that?
Not really even close to most "click bait" to me. Their main point still stands even with the caveat that some games will be stunning.
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Fake
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Still clickbait, bad way of made hype. Both sides need to get their expectation. How can you hype your public and than backtrack every damn word you previous made?
Shmunter
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Gotta check that out ASAP
No his fault for commenting on something he clearly did not read. The article is right the majority of games will be underwhelming these be the cross generation games it's like say the sky is blue.
xacto
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Was that a burner account?
FeiRR
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PS5's specs are on the official Sony site and Cerny talked about them explicitly. It's as plausible as a secret GPU in the power brick.
HeisenbergFX4
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I hope its his Tuesday game reveal but doubt we see it until the PS5 event.
If I had to venture a guess I am leaning towards HZD2.
Bo_Hazem
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Man, if you think Origins was too big, then Odyssey is Origins on steroids! A refined version of it. I loved both, but Odyssey more. Mostly I suggest finishing Origins first, although they're not connected. Maybe last time you tried it you didn't have enough time for it, now it's the perfect time with this pandemic
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