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[loktaiextatus]

That's still impressive. How many PS2/3/1 games can you play on the PS4?

With PSNow you can play hundreds of PS3 games, and they have a ton of PS2 downloadable games. I want to say equivalent or MORE than 40
which is the on XBOX from the same generation. PS1 got dropped basically but... there is no equivalent generation on the XBOX for them to be
comparing to so can say what you want about that its a wash. There are also a boatload of enhanced ports of PS2 games like Zone of the enders
Ico shadow of the colossus etc that arent PS2 downloadables but ARE ps2 games running enhanced.

Enhanced PS3 games isnt even a question there are a TON OF big titles. all 3 uncharted games. God of war 3 I believe,
the last of us,... .etc. etc.

 

[rntongo]

Lockhart might be fine right now because most games are designed to run on current gen systems. But when previous consoles get left behind will Lockhart be enough to run next gen titles?

I know the target is 1080P currently but in a few years it could turn into a 900p/720p box with shaky framerates if the games become too much for it.

Exactly I don't think it's a necessary console. Most people outside the US buy playstation and they're going to upgrade their TVs to get the full experience. MSFT shouldn't waste too many resources on a second console. They should just aim to reduce the price and miniaturize the XSX in 3 years.

 

[rntongo]

With PSNow you can play hundreds of PS3 games, and they have a ton of PS2 downloadable games. I want to say equivalent or MORE than 40
which is the on XBOX from the same generation. PS1 got dropped basically but... there is no equivalent generation on the XBOX for them to be
comparing to so can say what you want about that its a wash. There are also a boatload of enhanced ports of PS2 games like Zone of the enders
Ico shadow of the colossus etc that arent PS2 downloadables but ARE ps2 games running enhanced.

Enhanced PS3 games isnt even a question there are a TON OF big titles. all 3 uncharted games. God of war 3 I believe,
the last of us,... .etc. etc.

Thats great that Sony offers these options I just don't like it when people downplay other company's accomplishments. Clearly Xbox has amazing BC, arguably better than on the PS4.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Thats great that Sony offers these options I just don't like it when people downplay other company's accomplishments. Clearly Xbox has amazing BC, arguably better than on the PS4.

They both do decent, incomplete jobs. The last TOTAL backward compat we had was in the PS3 generation, PS3 went 2 generations back with full compatability at launch.

I like the backward compatability on xbox, especially X for running things like Orta at high res and super crisp because to me that game still holds up.
The big issue is that they stopped around 40 titles and left a TON of games "on the table" due to licensing probably, that I cant play. Like literally
if they could just update another dozen or so major games from the original XBOX that people actually want to play.

See you will not get Shenmue II because it was re-released for newer machines, so licensing will say nuh uh- this is the issue with software backward compatability.

Expect in the future not only the same restraints but literally getting games REMOVED from backward compatibility when it suits a re-release of the game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Exactly I don't think it's a necessary console. Most people outside the US buy playstation and they're going to upgrade their TVs to get the full experience. MSFT shouldn't waste too many resources on a second console. They should just aim to reduce the price and miniaturize the XSX in 3 years.

What could happen is that Microsoft are betting on people upgrading to the XSX or Mid Gen refreshes towards the middle of next gen. Essentially the Lockhart is to lock people into their ecosystem. Once those people realise that their system isn't meeting their expectations they are more likely to upgrade to another Xbox than a PlayStation.

 

[FeiRR]

That's still impressive. How many PS2/3/1 games can you play on the PS4?

To be honest, I don't know. There are some PS1/PS2 games on PS Store which have built-in emulators but I'm not interested in them. As for PS3, I'm sure you're aware why it's impossible to make them run on PS4. It's not a problem, it's a result of the decision to pursue newer technology instead of only upgrading the same architecture. Microsoft has plenty of old games and average-looking new games. Sony has the opposite. I prefer new games.

 

[B_Boss]

We're sure that the PS5 doesn't have separate OS RAM, like the PS4 Pro? I suppose Sony would've mentioned that by now, though?

 

[rntongo]

What could happen is that Microsoft are betting on people upgrading to the XSX or Mid Gen refreshes towards the middle of next gen. Essentially the Lockhart is to lock people into their ecosystem. Once those people realise that their system isn't meeting their expectations they are more likely to upgrade to another Xbox than a PlayStation.

Valid points. They have definitely thought it through.

 

[SportsFan581]

What could happen is that Microsoft are betting on people upgrading to the XSX or Mid Gen refreshes towards the middle of next gen. Essentially the Lockhart is to lock people into their ecosystem. Once those people realise that their system isn't meeting their expectations they are more likely to upgrade to another Xbox than a PlayStation.

Sounds like a horrible strategy. Selling a product you don't think consumers will be satisfied with is never the best road. Better to try and market the a low-end system to those who don't care about the high-end bells and whistles (1050 or 1060 buyers).

 

[MasterCornholio]

I get that but it's something they would have talked about already. Because that means that developers have access to the full 16GBs of ram while on the XSX they would have access to less memory.

I personally don't believe the PS5 has dedicated ram for the OS.

 

[Thirty7ven]

He was asked about additional hardware put into the console, he answered by describing what additional hardware and you're calling it software. I don't know if you're trolling or you just misunderstood.

I'll take your word for it, I misunderstood it.

 

[FranXico]

Fine, but any secrets at this point will be related to OS features, not hardware design.

 

[TGO]

yes, he had them. i played almost all GoW games. in one of them he had the wings.

GOW3 he had them

 

[BattleScar]

$399 Series X would leave Microsoft with a lot of problems. Sony would almost certainly be eager to pricematch them, and would just release the PS5 at $399. The PS5 will undoubtedly make a big loss at that price, but the Series X would end up losing more. Bigger die, bigger cost - no way around it.

But that leaves the Series S in no man's land.
What would they price the Series S at? $299 is far too close to the Series X or PS5, which would both offer much more performance and longevity for only $100 more. $249 or lower would probably make it a reasonable choice, but it would have to be sold at a loss at that price.

There would therefore be two options. Either bin the Series S entirely and just focus on a direct head to head war with the PS5 with the Series X, or consign themselves to losing money hand over fist on both systems. Microsoft can certainly take the losses - they have the money for it. But those losses won't make it easy to run the business.

Sony will for a long time continue to make more money hand-over-fist through its network services alone, to bear the brunt of a loss-leading console. As much as they'd love for every PS4 owner to instantly make the switch to PS5, they won't. It'll take a few years. And all the while they'll be raking in billions of dollars in game and network services from all the existing PS4 owners who have yet to make the switch, as well as the new PS5 owners.
You can talk about a warchest all you like, but when you have a gaming division that churns out more revenue from its network services segment alone, than either of your two principle competitors can muster from their entire gaming portfolios, means you don't need a warchest.
Given the current climate, it won't be perfect for either Sony or Microsoft during the transition, but the PlayStation brand in quite simple terms makes more money than the entirety of Xbox and Nintendo combined.

In the face of that, you don't want to just be pissing money away selling two SKU's at a loss, instead of just one. But then, they've already sunk a lot of money into R&D for two parallel SKU's so perhaps they won't be willing to kick a dead weight to the curb.
Personally not a big fan of having two SKU's at launch in general, because it muddies the water in a segment of the gaming industry which has long claimed simplicity as the key to its success.
Now we have different performance and different prices.

EDIT:

You all may laugh

Why the fuck did I write this...?

 

[Gamernyc78]

An in engine, real-time cutscene. It's indicative of the visuals we can expect from next generation only AAA games on XBsX.

Anyone can look at the best looking games of this gen, their real time cutscenes and see there's not much between them. These same incredibly impressive games were built around either a 1.3 or a 1.8tflop GPU with an absolutely deplorable low end laptop CPU and a terrible storage drive which is extremely slow and constraining to development.

These CPU and drive speed shackles are about to be completely broken in the coming years along with the bonus of more, faster RAM and a GPU on the level of 10x+ the computation power of the original base consoles as the XBsX GPU is about 17tflops when compared with the standard XB1's 1.3tflops. PS5around 15tflops when compared with the standard PS4's 1.8tflops.

AAA visuals are about to reach the realm of movie quality CGI. Strap in

OH I know thy will be good, the jump in tfs and being RDNA is a given.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Wonderful breakdown for the two TV's, bear in mind that we still need XH90 for full HDMI 2.1 support for better comparison in the game mode. X900H reviews are still not available, but keep an eye for it. This breakdown from an expert gives more details not shown by amateurs like DF in the TV field:

Samsung QLED vs Sony 4K LED TV Comparison (Upscaling, HDR, Game Mode)

Wonderful breakdown for the two TV's, bear in mind that we still need XH90 for full HDMI 2.1 support for better comparison in the game mode. X900H reviews are still not available, but keep an eye for it. This breakdown from an expert gives more details not shown by amateurs like DF in the TV field:

www.neogaf.com

 

[saintjules]

Just for fun, the part 2

That dude is hilarious! 6:48

 

[Metroiddarks]

I finished school too long ago, can't remember. You on the other hand seems to be still at school judging from your level of maturity since your first reply.

So you are some kind of judge here, and you decide what should be posted here as news or not... I didn't know,

I apologize if I offend you but the reason I and other react in that way to your video you posted is because you posted a tier 1 in fanboy level and this kind of
people usually don't contribute to any discussion and is not is just like is just me you see his videos, posts but again I apologize for that reaction from my side (the gif)
offend you.

In the video I posted he never referred to PS5 in a negative way, if any. Not every news or info must be biased by definition if someone prefer a Brand instead of another.

Every opinion is done by a person so is bias is normal and again if you doesn't think is biass enough see more of his videos, his tweets and which person he follows is easy to see it
and you start quickly to notice one side has preference.

Again, I didn't see anything biased about the Video I posted. If he was a bit biased in other occasions, I don't care. I just posted one single Video from him.

But well that matter because according to who say a new from a event and express his opinion about some console this can be changed for example yes the console now have
a good hardware to have again 60 fps more frequently but that doesn't mean all our games should be 60 because first the games will try to reach new qualities in graphics, he
is talking in games which are intergenerational so if you were little bias you will no say as youtuber is true what 'GM Games Marketing Microsoft say' and just say AC Valhalla is 30 fps
but that doesn't make senses, the only people who can say this is the people of Ubisoft.

 

[Thedtrain]

An in engine, real-time cutscene. It's indicative of the visuals we can expect from next generation only AAA games on XBsX.

Anyone can look at the best looking games of this gen, their real time cutscenes and see there's not much between them. These same incredibly impressive games were built around either a 1.3 or a 1.8tflop GPU with an absolutely deplorable low end laptop CPU and a terrible storage drive which is extremely slow and constraining to development.

These CPU and drive speed shackles are about to be completely broken in the coming years along with the bonus of more, faster RAM and a GPU on the level of 10x+ the computation power of the original base consoles as the XBsX GPU is about 17tflops when compared with the standard XB1's 1.3tflops. PS5around 15tflops when compared with the standard PS4's 1.8tflops.

AAA visuals are about to reach the realm of movie quality CGI. Strap in

Please, don't say such things. You'll alert veteran and we'll get berated endlessly

 

[3liteDragon]

There were also Rumours the APU chip was actually for surface and not Lockart...or it could be both....

A 20 core / Zen2 APU would be great in a ultrathin laptop for sure.

June lockhart will be revealed as a 4tf console . Book it

Idk why but I'm getting the feeling that Lockhart isn't even a console.

 

[DrKeo]

I see it as MS being reactive when it came time to plan next gen. They were reactive to the successes and failures of Xbox One, and the successes and failures of the market leader.

I think 499$ is pretty much the lowest they will go on the XSX, and if Ps5 comes in at 399$ that affects the price of the XSS and not the XSX. But we will see. GPU market isn't a good comparison, they have like twenty SKUs each and there it becomes a game of inches.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect the PS5 at 399$ by the way. It's a pipe dream.

Being reactive sounds bad and when it's in the context of having a vision, it is bad. But when we are talking about the price point, being at a competitive price when you and your only rival launch in a matter of day of each other, that's a smart move. Let's be honest, MS doesn't have the brand name Sony has. If XSX costs more than PS5, it's PS4 VS X1 all over again.

 

[3liteDragon]

Timestamp - 8:56

 

[Metroiddarks]

If XSX is 399$, Lockheart will need to be sub-300$ in order to make sense in the market. Lockheart was already rumored as scrapped back in july 2019. The question is, is Lockheart even viable to MS at that price point?

If we see XSX and PS5 priced to $399 then lockheart is not necessary but this dream too much that SSD in both cases will cost us.

In the personal I believe PS5 and XSX will be in $499 and lockheart will be in $300-350.

 

[Fake]

Sorry, but can't see seX at $399.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Its last game was a disaster and also I think is the kind of studio will be buy by Xbox more than SIE, the second usually bough studios
will have/show a great level in graphics aspects with good potential of sales.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Its last game was a disaster and also I think is the kind of studio will be buy by Xbox more than SIE, the second usually bough studios
will have/show a great level in graphics aspects with good potential of sales.

Maria 3 had a great story and voice acting it was all of the technical issues that held it back, if they had been able to do more graphically and not have so many bugs etc it would have rated much better IMO.

 

[Fake]

Microsoft sold Xbox Elite Controller for launch price at $179... why could they want to sell seX at $399 with a huge loss and sell Lockhart?

 

[Andodalf]

Microsoft sold Xbox Elite Controller for launch price at $179... why could they want to sell seX at $399 with a huge loss and sell Lockhart?

Why are luxury peripherals sold for more than loss leaders someone please help me understand

 

[DrKeo]

If we see XSX and PS5 priced to $399 then lockheart is not necessary but this dream too much that SSD in both cases will cost us.

In the personal I believe PS5 and XSX will be in $499 and lockheart will be in $300-350.

Rumors say that PS5 is 450$ BOM, add to that 50$ for things like assembly, storage, shipping, retailer cut, and so on, and you got a machine that costs Sony ~500$. So yeah, I believe PS5 will be 499$ at break-even and MS will follow. Lockheart IMO is ~170$ lower BOM than XSX so 150$ sounds reasonable to me, 349$.

 

[Metroiddarks]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070, so 10.2 TF of RDNA 2 should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

 

[DrKeo]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070s, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

On the CPU front, it probably has more L3 than the PS5 and XSX and clocked higher (the main core can hit 4.4Ghz) but it only has 6 cores, so I guess it's good enough to run next-gen games. Regarding the 2070SUPER, in a few years it will probably have a hard time running PS5 games in PS5 settings at the same resolution. But if you pair it with a 1440p screen? It will probably be just fine.

But as a PC gamer I'm having a hard time thinking of a PC which is only as powerful as a console as a real gaming PC
#CondescendingAsshole

 

[rntongo]

There's very little for MSFT to gain from selling at $399. They won't gain international marketshare from Sony at launch even if they sell at a cheaper price.

On the other hand a $399 PS5 will sell like hot cake. But we know the PS5 BOM is above $400, probably $450 so Sony is in a position where they either sell at $499 or $449 or $399 and sell at a loss but with high demand. DRAM prices and the APUs are going to become cheaper over time but the PS5's highly custom SSD will ensure that their SSD cost doesn't go down as quickly as the other two. The same could be true for the XSX SSD if they customized the controller.

Basically the best strategy for both companies is to sell at $499 and lower the price in 2-3 years as the BOM goes down to say $399. Sony selling at $399 with a $50 loss wouldn't be bad either. They'll sell out. Considering they skimped on the GPU, the APU cost must be low.

 

[DrKeo]

There's very little for MSFT to gain from selling at $399. They won't gain international marketshare from Sony at launch even if they sell at a cheaper price.

On the other hand a $399 PS5 will sell like hot cake. But we know the PS5 BOM is above $400, probably $450 so Sony is in a position where they either sell at $499 or $449 or $399 and sell at a loss but with high demand. DRAM prices and the APUs are going to become cheaper over time but the PS5's highly custom SSD will ensure that their SSD cost doesn't go down as quickly as the other two. The same could be true for the XSX SSD if they customized the controller.

Basically the best strategy for both companies is to sell at $499 and lower the price in 2-3 years as the BOM goes down to say $399. Sony selling at $399 with a $50 loss wouldn't be bad either. They'll sell out. Considering they skimped on the GPU, the APU cost must be low.

XSX indeed has a customized SSD controller. It's actually pretty funny that both have an SSD, both have a customized SSD controller, both have a customized dedicated sound chip and both have a customized I/O block with decompressors. It's pretty funny how custom yet similar both systems are.

 

[Andodalf]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070s, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

That CPU should be in the same ballpark in terms of gaming, it runs a 4.4 Boost clock out of the box, but can be pushed higher, and with how many games like single core performance, It will probably run many games better from the CPU side. Regardless that will rarely be the bottle neck. In terms of traditional rasterized graphics. A 5700 XT does not preform like a 2700 Super. Its similar to a 2700, but a 2700 Super has a decent leg up on both of them. If PS5 gets that kind of performance it would be great, as it's within 7% ishof the 2080 the XSX has been compared to in many applications

RT performance is an unknown, but I'd be shocked if any AMD GPU offers the RT performance of the 2070 Super or beyond, as they seem less invested in it. This is to say nothing of the lack of DLSS support. In all, this machine should be about as good as a PS5, albeit far, far more expensive.

 

[rntongo]

Rumors say that PS5 is 450$ BOM, add to that 50$ for things like assembly, storage, shipping, retailer cut, and so on, and you got a machine that costs Sony ~500$. So yeah, I believe PS5 will be 499$ at break-even and MS will follow. Lockheart IMO is ~170$ lower BOM than XSX so 150$ sounds reasonable to me, 349$.

Manufacturing cost is a part of BOM it's usually about $5-$10.

 

[rntongo]

XSX indeed has a customized SSD controller. It's actually pretty funny that both have an SSD, both have a customized SSD controller, both have a customized dedicated sound chip and both have a customized I/O block with decompressors. It's pretty funny how custom yet similar both systems are.

There's a lot to learn about the hardware.

 

[Brudda26]

XSX indeed has a customized SSD controller. It's actually pretty funny that both have an SSD, both have a customized SSD controller, both have a customized dedicated sound chip and both have a customized I/O block with decompressors. It's pretty funny how custom yet similar both systems are.

Isnt the ssd controller in the XSX the phison E16 or something?

 

[Metroiddarks]

On the CPU front, it probably has more L3 than the PS5 and XSX and clocked higher (the main core can hit 4.4Ghz) but it only has 6 cores, so I guess it's good enough to run next-gen games. Regarding the 2070SUPER, in a few years it will probably have a hard time running PS5 games in PS5 settings at the same resolution. But if you pair it with a 1440p screen? It will probably be just fine.

But as a PC gamer I'm having a hard time thinking of a PC which is only as powerful as a console as a real gaming PC
#CondescendingAsshole

Same for me, one friend ask me for help to build his new pc but I told him to wait until the new gen of GPUs appears this year specially from NVIDIA because for us doesn't
makes senses to had a pc equals to a PS5/XSX even lower in some aspects just imagine the new Elder Scrolls running in 30 fps in consoles that will be mean very possible
his pc will run to 30 and that is sacrilege for the pc gaming hahaha.

Also we need to know much RAM and VRAM requirements increase I think should be 8 GB for VRAM and 16 GB for RAM. The SSD will start appears as requirement maybe in the
beginning only required SSD SATA then after some time this minimum can increased.

The monitors 1440p/4k with high refresh rate will have a couple of hard years.

 

[3liteDragon]

I'm gonna be shocked if MS sells the Series X at $399, but I don't think that's happening. They're STILL selling the console at a loss even with a $499 price tag. But if they really want some of that market share in the U.S, I think the lowest they'll go is $449.99 bundled with XGP. Selling a console with a BOM over at least $520 at $399 is just beyond insane to even think about, you're taking a MAJOR loss and you're not even the market leader. For Sony, I feel like a $399 price tag is still possible because of their brand popularity and position in the market, that's why I think if Sony is confident enough by relying on their market position, they can price the PS5 at $399 and it would instantly sell out and end up becoming profitable for Sony by May 2021 at the latest. But I'm starting to think $424.99 could be a possible price tag for PS5 as well, I just really wonder how long it's gonna take before MS or Sony reveal the price for the consoles.

 

[Metroiddarks]

That CPU should be in the same ballpark in terms of gaming, it runs a 4.4 Boost clock out of the box, but can be pushed higher, and with how many games like single core performance, It will probably run many games better from the CPU side. Regardless that will rarely be the bottle neck. In terms of traditional rasterized graphics. A 5700 XT does not preform like a 2700 Super. Its similar to a 2700, but a 2700 Super has a decent leg up on both of them. If PS5 gets that kind of performance it would be great, as it's within 7% ishof the 2080 the XSX has been compared to in many applications

RT performance is an unknown, but I'd be shocked if any AMD GPU offers the RT performance of the 2070 Super or beyond, as they seem less invested in it. This is to say nothing of the lack of DLSS support. In all, this machine should be about as good as a PS5, albeit far, far more expensive.

I edit my text I tried to say the 5700 xt perform like a rtx 2070 not super.

Regarding the game mainly single those start to disappear just a couple of year ago, even today a CPU with 4 cores can bottleneck the framerate in some games
so this situation should aggravated even more this end of year.

Regarding the DLSS is not a thing implement in many games also I am sure both consoles will have a similar solution just see the PS4 pro with the checkboarding
this gen.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Same here so tired of it......

When is that next train coming for the possible June event?

Count. Me. In.

Your gonna go in the June hype train?

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Idk why but I'm getting the feeling that Lockhart isn't even a console.

Yeah I was thinking lately that lockhart might actually be a handheld device for xsx. Kinda switch like. Or something along those lines. Probably even a streaming device?

 

[zeroeffect]

Microsoft is rich and have displayed they're more than willing to get aggressive. All their business departments have that philosophy. Sony's gaming accounts for somewhere around 20% of their company. It's not a drop in the bucket for Microsoft while it's also one of the most underperforming businesses.

They could undercut Sony if they wanted to even at a bigger loss. But then again, I've been hearing every generation since Xbox that Microsoft has unlimited coffers they're going to monopolize gaming and here we are. I'm still waiting for this to happen.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Your gonna go in the June hype train?

Yup I see a full PS5 showcase in June

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Take into account that PS5 will render games in native 4K and RTX2070S is usually bought up for 1440p, add to that DLSS 2.0 and the card should easily cope with next gen games.

 

[SlimySnake]

A 12 tflops $399 console would be amazing but i don't see MS taking the loss. They are just not that kind of company.

Sony maybe. But they are also no longer the kind of company that takes massive $100-200 losses at launch.

That said, if ms was truly a consumer friendly company Phil makes it out to be then they should launch at $399 instead of shoving a shitty 4 tflops console down our throats just so they can have a cheaper alternative.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[SlimySnake]

Xox doesn't need to do advertising. Their Twitter followers do it for them.

Timdog and Colbert do come cheap.

 

[DocH1X1]

I get that but it's something they would have talked about already. Because that means that developers have access to the full 16GBs of ram while on the XSX they would have access to less memory.

I personally don't believe the PS5 has dedicated ram for the OS.

Lol wut?

 

[DrKeo]

Isnt the ssd controller in the XSX the phison E16 or something?

That was the rumor before we got the spec reveal. AFAIK Phison isn't even the partner they've built the contoller with, but maybe I'm wrong about that because I don't even know who ended up being the partner..

Same for me, one friend ask me for help to build his new pc but I told him to wait until the new gen of GPUs appears this year specially from NVIDIA because for us doesn't
makes senses to had a pc equals to a PS5/XSX even lower in some aspects just imagine the new Elder Scrolls running in 30 fps in consoles that will be mean very possible
his pc will run to 30 and that is sacrilege for the pc gaming hahaha.

Also we need to know much RAM and VRAM requirements increase I think should be 8 GB for VRAM and 16 GB for RAM. The SSD will start appears as requirement maybe in the
beginning only required SSD SATA then after some time this minimum can increased.

The monitors 1440p/4k with high refresh rate will have a couple of hard years.

How can a right-minded person build a PC now that Amper is just around the corner? The 3060RTX is probably better than the XSX and PS5 GPU. I mean, the Amper reveal is in 4 days! (probably for work stations only but still)