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[3liteDragon]

A 12 tflops $399 console would be amazing but i don't see MS taking the loss. They are just not that kind of company.

Sony maybe. But they are also no longer the kind of company that takes massive $100-200 losses at launch.

That said, if ms was truly a consumer friendly company Phil makes it out to be then they should launch at $399 instead of shoving a shitty 4 tflops console down our throats just so they can have a cheaper alternative.

Or bundle it with 3 months of XGP and sell it at $450, still consumer-friendly and better than taking an unnecessary loss by selling it at $399.

 

[Caio]

I apologize if I offend you but the reason I and other react in that way to your video you posted is because you posted a tier 1 in fanboy level and this kind of
people usually don't contribute to any discussion and is not is just like is just me you see his videos, posts but again I apologize for that reaction from my side (the gif)
offend you.

No problem mate. I posted it just because this is a speculation/analysis/leaks Thread, and I didn't see it as "fanboysh material" or nonsense.

Next time I will post one by Foxy Games UK

Kidding aside, I hope both Sony and MS will show us soon Real Next Generation stuff. Specs/hardware are nothing without Games which take full advantage of them.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Take into account that PS5 will render games in native 4K and RTX2070S is usually bought up for 1440p, add to that DLSS 2.0 and the card should easily cope with next gen games.

But we are talking about a pc with a similar power to the consoles so even that 2070s will have hard time to reach a PS5, so even the XSX should be above
of that and I ignoring all the possible optimization both consoles have for be a close system.

Regarding the DLSS for me is far to be the magic unique solution as some people expose, the reconstruction techniques will be improve in both consoles also if NVIDIA doesn't use
DLSS for more games then will have another physx for another reason of course where many games just never implemented.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Yup I see a full PS5 showcase in June

I wonder if their plan was always June or they moved it to June after E3 got cancelled?

I'll take a hype train ticket though. Surely we really do have only a max of 3 weeks to wait now......please!

 

[Kazekage1981]

An in engine, real-time cutscene. It's indicative of the visuals we can expect from next generation only AAA games on XBsX.

Anyone can look at the best looking games of this gen, their real time cutscenes and see there's not much between them. These same incredibly impressive games were built around either a 1.3 or a 1.8tflop GPU with an absolutely deplorable low end laptop CPU and a terrible storage drive which is extremely slow and constraining to development.

These CPU and drive speed shackles are about to be completely broken in the coming years along with the bonus of more, faster RAM and a GPU on the level of 10x+ the computation power of the original base consoles as the XBsX GPU is about 17tflops when compared with the standard XB1's 1.3tflops. PS5around 15tflops when compared with the standard PS4's 1.8tflops.

AAA visuals are about to reach the realm of movie quality CGI. Strap in

MSFT needs to kill and cannibalize the Xbox One.

MSFT needs to make some incentives for Xbone owners to trade in for Xbone X or XsX.

Sony already made a comment stating that they want PS4 owners to transition to PS5 as quickly as possible (I am not sure what they have planned).

 

[Kazekage1981]

Yup I see a full PS5 showcase in June

No more hype train for me, but I will see the June showing of course. I will keep my expectations in check.

 

[Deto]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

What a ridiculous guy, well the avatar already makes it clear ...

Even an amoeba knows how a PC with a similar specification to the console behaves when running games in reality.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Lol wut?

Pretty simple. I don't believe that the PS5 will have dedicated ram for the OS that's separate from the pool of 16GBs of ram.

So essentially part of that 16GBs will be used for the operating system.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

No more hype train for me, but I will see the June showing of course. I will keep my expectations in check.

I can't help it when it comes to Sony especially as I am by far a bigger Sony fan.

I do own the Xbox One X and I try not to come across as too much as being biased towards Playstation.

 

[Metroiddarks]

How can a right-minded person build a PC now that Amper is just around the corner? The 3060RTX is probably better than the XSX and PS5 GPU. I mean, the Amper reveal is in 4 days! (probably for work stations only but still)

Well my friend doesn't know much about hardware that why is he ask me for help and before had the mentality than an actual high gpu should behave much better
than any new console.

 

[aclar00]

So basically your looking for a demo of Mark Cerny playing with his rubber ducks in a tub.

Why yes, yes i am...but as someone else pointed out i'd like to see cerny and the ducks hang out in a resort style pool with superb water effects, RT lIghting and id like to hear the individual quacks from each duck and water splashing, while simultaneously being able to hear Cerny clearly lol

 

[Agnostic2020]

Xox doesn't need to do advertising. Their Twitter followers do it for them.

Timdog and Colbert do come cheap.

 

[Voidout]

Dude fucking yikes.


But seriously this is a mental illness right? Can someone help him? What would make him like this? I actually feel bad.

 

[Gediminas]

I can't help it when it comes to Sony especially as I am by far a bigger Sony fan.

I do own the Xbox One X and I try not to come across as too much as being biased towards Playstation.

they knew how to make a show. let's see if new management still got it.

 

[chigstoke]

Basically, he's a massive spanner. Always has been.

 

[Radical_3d]

Dude fucking yikes.


But seriously this is a mental illness right? Can someone help him? What would make him like this? I actually feel bad.

I'm pretty sure it is. But the guy is American. The treatment would probably cost half the GDP of a little country.

I mean it's cheaper to buy him a SX.

 

[Voidout]

I'm pretty sure it is. But the guy is American. The treatment would probably cost half the GDP of a little country.

I mean it's cheaper to buy him a SX.

That is really sad. The whole point of living in a developed civilized nation is that the individual is supposed to be cared for. Pension, maternity leave, bonuses, and free Healthcare are basics to civilization that rich US senators have tricked the people into thinking are socialist luxuries. I sure hope someone some day can help the good people of America see right.

Totally off topic I know let's end it here before some you know who's start calling me a communist.

 

[chigstoke]

That is really sad. The whole point of living in a developed civilized nation is that the individual is supposed to be cared for. Pension, maternity leave, bonuses, and free Healthcare are basics to civilization that rich US senators have tricked the people into thinking are socialist luxuries. I sure hope someone some day can help the good people of America see right.

Totally off topic I know let's end it here before some you know who's start calling me a communist.

Just easier feed him a new system every 7 years or so, much more cost effective.

 

[SlimySnake]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

I remember last gen these pc gamers used to say that the gpu in the ps4 is equivalent to the gtx 570 which turned out to be a load of bs.

The vram alone was a big issue and most next gen games simply forced low settings and low textures on you.

Even if vram isn't an issue next gen, ssd s be. Even if ssd isn't an issue, you are running games at 30 fps at best on a 2070 and we all know how poor those feel on pcs.

 

[rntongo]

XSX indeed has a customized SSD controller. It's actually pretty funny that both have an SSD, both have a customized SSD controller, both have a customized dedicated sound chip and both have a customized I/O block with decompressors. It's pretty funny how custom yet similar both systems are.

Do you have a link to the information about the customizations in the XSX controller. I'd like to read more about them.

 

[DrKeo]

Do you have a link to the information about the customizations in the XSX controller. I'd like to read more about them.

There are zero details about them, there are also zero details about the PS5's custom controller except that it has 6 priority levels. There are actually zero details about almost any hardware feature both consoles have, which is extremely frustrating. All you will find about the XSX SSD is "custom SSD", that's it.

 

[Fdkenzo]

What is your opinion of our unbiased friend of DF ?


I don't see that cpu should behave in the same level in Windows 10 than close system even with higher clock if had two cores less
without many of the optimizations for consoles (audio chip, IO improved).

That GPU is close to a PS5 than XSX, I mean the rx 5700 xt (9.754TF) perform like a rtx 2070, so 10.2 TF of RDNA should equal or even more
than a 2070s because again close system with improves.

Regarding the RT he could be right we don't how good is the AMD solution compare to NVIDIA.

This guy is embarasing

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Gameplay on the Xbox Series X is looking good!

www.windowscentral.com

I thought it looked pretty good.

 

[pretsels]

If these companies don't start showing off gameplay soon with 60fps it's going to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for next gen. I want to be hype but I'm afraid that devs still aren't getting the message that people want more responsive games

 

[rntongo]

If these companies don't start showing off gameplay soon with 60fps it's going to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for next gen. I want to be hype but I'm afraid that devs still aren't getting the message that people want more responsive games

Honestly with the CPUs these next gen machines have, there's no reason why all games can't be 60fps. They had Last of Us running on a CPU that could barely outperform the PS3 Cell

 

[Thedtrain]

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Gameplay on the Xbox Series X is looking good!

www.windowscentral.com

I thought it looked pretty good.

Same. Infinite on PC will be awesome

 

[Metroiddarks]

If these companies don't start showing off gameplay soon with 60fps it's going to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for next gen. I want to be hype but I'm afraid that devs still aren't getting the message that people want more responsive games

Is because is not most of people is only few people like us please stop to believe we represent something big in the market of gaming regarding to the number of people.

Some of this forum for example has much technical knowledge than most of the videogame press in general.

 

[Andodalf]

Honestly with the CPUs these next gen machines have, there's no reason why all games can't be 60fps. They had Last of Us running on a CPU that could barely outperform the PS3 Cell

GPU is a limiting factor as well. No matter the CPU many games just can't be run a 4k/max/60 on today's hardware

 

[Audiophile]

So basically your looking for a demo of Mark Cerny playing with his rubber ducks in a tub.

Such a tech demo by Sony would be the greatest meta moment in gaming history.

Ray-Traced bubbles, a billion polygon Cerny and 1000 rubber duckies with realistic physics.

 

[Radical_3d]

That is really sad. The whole point of living in a developed civilized nation...

I though we were talking about the States, not Canada.

Spoiler

Sorry. I quit with the jokes and the off topic.

 

[geordiemp]

GPU is a limiting factor as well. No matter the CPU many games just can't be run a 4k/max/60 on today's hardware

I hope Sony have done something to make temporal / checkerboard even better this gen, as 1600p reconstructed is fine for 4k output if we can have 60 FPS in open world.

They will play so much better. As Sony are heavily into VR and 90/120 FPS is needed I think they must of come up with something neat rather than brute force.

 

[Radical_3d]

I hope Sony have done something to make temporal / checkerboard even better this gen, as 1600p reconstructed is fine for 4k output if we can have 60 FPS in open world.

They will play so much better. As Sony are heavily into VR and 90/120 FPS is needed I think they must of come up with something neat rather than brute force.

Solutions like checker boarding and the nVidia IA reconstruction are the future. I hope the PS5, when fully revealed, has something very good in this area.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

That is really sad. The whole point of living in a developed civilized nation is that the individual is supposed to be cared for. Pension, maternity leave, bonuses, and free Healthcare are basics to civilization that rich US senators have tricked the people into thinking are socialist luxuries. I sure hope someone some day can help the good people of America see right.

Totally off topic I know let's end it here before some you know who's start calling me a communist.

Yuck dude. Keep the politics out of it. Maternity leave is a civil liberty? Make Americans see "right"? Your way is the only "right" way? That runs at odds win core fundamentals of American society. It is called freedom.

 

[Audiophile]

I think for a PC to have parity with a ground up, next-gen game it'll require a high-clocked 12C/24T Zen variant at an absolute minimum. Not just for general overhead but SSD I/O. Even more if they decide to carry over bespoke audio functionality. I expect SSDs to be mandated for many games by ~2022.

Given the much healthier CPUs this time around as well as the aforementioned dedicated hardware functionality in the console APUs I think PCs are gonna have a much harder time considerably increasing framerates, or even doubling them in multiplatform games relative to their console counterparts.

 

[SgtCaffran]

If your streaming pool is 1 frame size, it doesn't matter if the SSD is 2GB/s, 4GB/s, or 15GB/s, the streaming pool will still be 1 frame size which is the smallest it can possibly be. If you are using the faster SSD to stream higher-quality assets, it means that:
1) You need more RAM for the fixed pool because there are more detailed assets in the frame.
2) You need more RAM for the streaming pool because the new data delta for the next frame is larger because of the higher quality assets.
3) You need more memory bandwidth, GPU power and CPU power to render those better assets.

In reality, what would probably happen in 99% of 3rd party games is that XSX will miss here and there the 1 frame target because of its' slower SSD and lower quality MIPS will appear on the edge of the screen. So basically less LOD pop-in. Games designed from the ground up exclusively to the PS5 are a different story.

I see we are still having some miscommunication issues. I think if we both follow the same definitions of streaming pool and fixed pool for RAM then we can have a proper talk. Maybe check my previous posts for how I defined both.

Anyway, my main point is that the PS5 had more physical fast RAM available and it is able to make better use of that RAM (current frame can use more RAM) due to faster streaming.

XSX indeed has a customized SSD controller. It's actually pretty funny that both have an SSD, both have a customized SSD controller, both have a customized dedicated sound chip and both have a customized I/O block with decompressors. It's pretty funny how custom yet similar both systems are.

Sorry I just have to react on this as well. Although both have custom solutions for different parts of the hardware, I'm not so sure that they are similar. The PS5 is at least a level above XsX in terms of SSD and I/O customisation.

I would actually argue the same for the audio chips. It seems to me MS focus lies on raw performance of the chip while Sony focused on bottlenecks. That being said, the differences in the final games will be small most likely, at least for 3rd party.

 

[Fake]

Why are luxury peripherals sold for more than loss leaders someone please help me understand

Not saying seX will be a luxury console while Lockhart will be affordable console. Who would think of that?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I can't see Microsoft's war chest working here. Probably that $114 billion debt isn't helping. Those spendings are reflective on the market share recently.

 

[Barakov]

what? Really? It's super fast right now.
And you can even filter games on number of players, local coop, online coop etc! Filter based on genre etc.
i love it. And it's so damn fast now

I get that's it faster and that's good. My thing is I straight up don't like the design

Timdog was simping for MS before that term was even invented.

 

[M-V2]

When I realize that I have to wait another few weeks to get some ps5 info...

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Found in reddit

 

[user1337]

An updated version of this for PS5 would be cool for me.

 

[bitbydeath]

An updated version of this for PS5 would be cool for me.

That's probably the most next-gen game we've seen so far.

 

[DrKeo]

I hope Sony have done something to make temporal / checkerboard even better this gen, as 1600p reconstructed is fine for 4k output if we can have 60 FPS in open world.

They will play so much better. As Sony are heavily into VR and 90/120 FPS is needed I think they must of come up with something neat rather than brute force.

Have you tried UE4's temporal upscaling? It's mind-blowing. Gears 5 uses it, looks amazing.

I see we are still having some miscommunication issues. I think if we both follow the same definitions of streaming pool and fixed pool for RAM then we can have a proper talk. Maybe check my previous posts for how I defined both.

Anyway, my main point is that the PS5 had more physical fast RAM available and it is able to make better use of that RAM (current frame can use more RAM) due to faster streaming.

As I've said, PS5 doesn't (as far as we know right now) have more physical memory, if the target is 1 frame then it doesn't have a smaller streaming pool or "fixed pool". If the assets were of higher quality or size on PS5, actually both the streaming pool and the "fixed" pool would be larger, not smaller.

If you target the next frame, as long as you can keep it up, the SSD bandwidth will not affect memory occupancy. The saving of memory space comes from achieving streaming to the next frame.

 

[Fake]

Have you tried UE4's temporal upscaling? It's mind-blowing. Gears 5 uses it, looks amazing.

I guess what is trying to say is 'something' new besides the 'already' knowing techiniques.

 

[ZeroFool]

I am impatiently waiting for 1st party game play so I can then impatiently wait for the games release, I will buy it day one...

Spoiler: ...

then get busy with work and not touch any of the games for six months! I still need to finish Space Quest 3

But the conversation and thoughtful analysis here will have to work.

 

[saintjules]

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Gameplay on the Xbox Series X is looking good!

www.windowscentral.com

I thought it looked pretty good.

If it indeed looks like that gameplay wise...maybe it's time to give FPS another shot.

 

[pretsels]

I honestly think Sony is just waiting to drop something big all at once. MSFT has been slowly revealing things since TGA and now we know pretty much everything about the SeX. I think Sony is going to come out with a console reveal along with revealing some first party launch titles and planned exclusives at the same time. There will probably even be a big stinger, like GTA 6 being 1 year exclusive to PS5 or something like that. I don't think their silence is due to worry, it's definitely strategic.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I am 53 and still hard core gaming.

Hell my dad is 80+ and he is the one who introduced me into main frame games in the 1970s when he would repair those beastly machines for hospitals when they were housed in the entire basement.

He is still gaming today as well.

You're still young I remember playing with a 64-old British guy when The Division 1 launched, got to know him from the website that they've built the hype for it. He used to work as a soldier in the UN and learned some great info about the concept of the division that is not far from the truth.

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Bright Memory: Infinite actual gameplay looks mind-blowing on Xbox Series X

Gameplay on the Xbox Series X is looking good!

www.windowscentral.com

I thought it looked pretty good.

It's quite the upgrade over those 8-bit indies, not to mention that dolphin one.

The AI is shit though.

GPU is a limiting factor as well. No matter the CPU many games just can't be run a 4k/max/60 on today's hardware

Glad to see my baby Radeon VII still doing some magic there, although I will never play games with it. RX 5700 XT beating RTX2080 is something new though, seems like AMD is working better with their software. I can say that's a good thing for both consoles, knowing that RDNA2 is a step ahead for RDNA1 or even GCN (Radeon VII). Hardcore PC gamers should really be cautions with their ego.

I hope Sony have done something to make temporal / checkerboard even better this gen, as 1600p reconstructed is fine for 4k output if we can have 60 FPS in open world.

They will play so much better. As Sony are heavily into VR and 90/120 FPS is needed I think they must of come up with something neat rather than brute force.

I hope they would upgrade their checkerboading hardware chip, or alternative solution to make it even better, we would need those tricks for either enhanced fidelity and draw distance or frame rates for some games.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

So basically your looking for a demo of Mark Cerny playing with his rubber ducks in a tub.

How and in what context did the Cerny tub meme start lol?

 

[Celcius]

It would be really cool for the PS5 reveal if they start by showing Gran Turismo 7 running in real time with ray tracing effects, then the camera moves behind the car, the HUD shows up, and it transitions straight into gameplay, then after a minute or so the camera pans out even further than the screen showing the actual PS5 console beside the TV with text at the bottom of the screen giving the release date and price.