Classicrockfan
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sony owns the rights to the order tho.https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-08-ready-at-dawn-doesnt-own-the-order-but-would-love-to-be-a-part-of-its-future
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xacto
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I bet this sounded better in your mind.
FranXico
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Well, another IP that is going to the fridge. Just like the goldmine of IPs they are already sitting on.
Vae_Victis
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Sony could still make a sequel to The Order since they own the IP, it's now just incredibly unlikely that RAD would be developing it.
Sony doesn't have a tradition of moving IPs around its internal studios for mainline games, but there have been rumors of the next Uncharted being done by a new SIE studio in San Diego, so who knows really.
Sony doesn't have a tradition of moving IPs around its internal studios for mainline games, but there have been rumors of the next Uncharted being done by a new SIE studio in San Diego, so who knows really.
sircaw
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Its clear they have no knowledge of the cooling solution or ps5 design and not any other technical inputs other than its bigger than XSX and they did not know why. DF should stick to analysing videos for graphics.
Does anyone need to tell DF a 20 % extra GPU clock might have something to do with the design, nah, cant be.
Cerny did say the CPU at 3.5 and GPU at 2.23 GHz were similar in heat dissipation requirements, couple that with the Sony double sided APU cooling patent and at least have a guess at the cooling .
DF must of heard some other RDNA2 clocks by now, power curve knee discission possibly. Instead we got nothing.
Their comments on price were just made up and no more informed than any poster on GAF.
The 8$ is sonys extra cut from 3rd party sale on ps5 store, what about sony first party games....Sony get all the money. So DF were wrong on that, one first party game digital vs retail and compute that one.
Poor video.
I just found their overall video very negative in tone, I am probably too sensitive in regards to this but their approach in that video surprised me, hard to put a finger on it, it just sounded rather downbeat.
for the excitement of new tech on the horizon i just expect more enthusiasm from them.
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splattered
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Just imagine... Sony decided to green light Bugsnax exclusivity vs another game with RAD
Neo Blaster
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Don't forget Konami.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah that's what's in the article, so I'm merely using their numbers ($60, $8 and 30/70 split).
The craziest thing for me is that almost 50% goes to retail, packaging, etc. And we are still always paying $60 for digital games... So up the prices for retail or lower digital prices to make it fair.
I really hope Microsoft will launch a digital license sales platform. They won't, but if someone would do it, it's them. It wouldn't be that difficult to create, the only issue is that everyone would buy their games there instead from their own store, so they should just take a cut to make up for it.
Bo_Hazem
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Haha that likes were well deserved, some of your comments are pure gold (no pun intended, but that gold rush was really something. How's your credit card by the way?
About the TVs - thanks a lot for this summary. I've already made my mind a while ago and got the C9, which is my first 4k TV, and I am still impressed how good it is (BTW motion processing for 24fps movies is really not so good out of the box, but it is possible to tweak it in settings to achieve good results).
What I was asking specifically is the VRR application for HDMI 2.1. It is interesting for me how consoles would have this utilised when most of console games have locked FPS and hence should not benefit from it.
On a side note about the TVs, I wonder which sets were used for upcoming next-gen games testing, especially for that alledged 4k/120 games of XSX (which anyway would require full 2.1 bandwidth). It is interesting if both companies would have "certified" panels that would have all features working properly (ALLM, VRR, QFT, 4k/120, full bit depth and chromaticity, plus any other possible setting that can be there for video output.)
I think LG C9 and the upcoming Sony XH90 are the best two TV's out there for next gen, if you're using it for PC for long hours better get the Sony XH90, if you're gaming less than 8 hours a session and watch movies then C9 is a wonderful pick. For me I'm getting the Sony XH90 because color and image accuracy is critical to me and nothing compares to Sony there. For 30fps games Sony LCD LED should be better and smoother, there is no perfect TV yet.
Double layer LCD's aren't yet available, Sony ditched the OLED and replaced it with LCD double layer and achieving near perfect blacks comparable to OLED's in its mastering/reference monitor, mother of all TV's. Double layer LCD panels are better than OLED's overal but lack viewing angle. So until microLED, there is no perfect TV and you decide for yourself what you like more.
And for XH90:
It'll support all of them with a future update, most likely before PS5 release. That's probably why there are no reviews of it yet. When rtings.com review it we'll know more about the depth of color at 4K@120Hz, but I think it'll use full depth, it's only LG CX that seems to downgrade it.
But for C9 it has that as well, only the new version CX is downgrading the color depth.
So I believe overall XH90 (X900H) and C9 are the best two after so much reading.
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ethomaz
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K.N.W.
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I don't know if this was already discussed, but, while I was looking at some GPUs to help a friend of mine build a new rig, I noticed something odd:
1080TI: 3584 Shading Units, Base Clock 1481 MHz, FP32 performance 11.5 TFLOPS
2080: 2944 Shading Units, Base Clock 1515 MHz, FP32 performance 10.07 TFLOPS
So, we have two cards, one having more but slower compute units, the other has a smaller amount of compute units, just a bit faster.
The GTX 1080TI has a higher core count and a bigger TFLOPS count, meanwhile the 2080 has the only advantage of higher frequencies.
In most specialized benchmark, the 1080TI is always on top compared to the 2080.
But, try to guess, who's the one that runs better every game???
The RTX 2080!!!
Mind blown.
EDIT: Or not?? Does anyone have more test to analyze?????
1080TI: 3584 Shading Units, Base Clock 1481 MHz, FP32 performance 11.5 TFLOPS
2080: 2944 Shading Units, Base Clock 1515 MHz, FP32 performance 10.07 TFLOPS
So, we have two cards, one having more but slower compute units, the other has a smaller amount of compute units, just a bit faster.
The GTX 1080TI has a higher core count and a bigger TFLOPS count, meanwhile the 2080 has the only advantage of higher frequencies.
In most specialized benchmark, the 1080TI is always on top compared to the 2080.
But, try to guess, who's the one that runs better every game???
The RTX 2080!!!
Mind blown.
EDIT: Or not?? Does anyone have more test to analyze?????
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yewles1
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And SEGA.
yewles1
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Still Waiting on that Heavenly Sword Sequel.
I think I finally found it. Took a bit of looking since the patent image doesn't show 2 heatsinks. Also talks about possible storage being on top of chip. I find this unlikely though unless a heatsink is sitting on top of the flash memory as well.The patent shows colling from under the GPU and other stacked dies on top of the APU. Indeed.
In the text near the end it says that cooling can be above and below APU....and the stacked die can be another heatsink....
You have to read it ....tucked away in the small print. Go look yourself, I am not your errand boy
Some have made mock ups already,. I dont agree with the fan design below there is no intake for it, the dual heat sink is possible though IMO.
WO2018216627 ELECTRONIC DEVICE
According to the present invention, a heat sink (21) is arranged on the lower surface of a circuit board (10). The circuit board (10) has a through hole (h1) that penetrates through the circuit board (10) within a region (A) in which an integrated circuit device (5) is arranged. This through...
patentscope2.wipo.int
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Deleted member 775630
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Great that the PS5 version is free of you bought it in PS4, weird it's dynamic 4K on PS5
Doesn't Sony buy all their oleds from lg? I heard they no longer manufacture their own.I think LG C9 and the upcoming Sony XH90 are the best two TV's out there for next gen, if you're using it for PC for long hours better get the Sony XH90, if you're gaming less than 8 hours a session and watch movies then C9 is a wonderful pick. For me I'm getting the Sony XH90 because color and image accuracy is critical to me and nothing compares to Sony there. For 30fps games Sony LCD LED should be better and smoother, there is no perfect TV yet.
Double layer LCD's aren't yet available, Sony ditched the OLED and replaced it with LCD double layer and achieving near perfect blacks comparable to OLED's in its mastering/reference monitor, mother of all TV's. Double layer LCD panels are better than OLED's overal but lack viewing angle. So until microLED, there is no perfect TV and you decide for yourself what you like more.
And for XH90:
It'll support all of them with a future update, most likely before PS5 release. That's probably why there are no reviews of it yet. When rtings.com review it we'll know more about the depth of color at 4K@120Hz, but I think it'll use full depth, it's only LG CX that seems to downgrade it.
But for C9 it has that as well, only the new version CX is downgrading the color depth.
So I believe overall XH90 (X900H) and C9 are the best two after so much reading.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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Not the first time they've turned up late to a party, blown serious cash trying to gain market share and then pulled the plug. They definitely aren't suckers for the sunken cost fallacy, that's for sure.
Can you show the benchmarks for these games? Thanks.
Davidsgoliath
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After the announcement of Faceboom buying Ready at Dawn, today. I believe that kills any chance of this tease being a Order sequel.
Bo_Hazem
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The usual DF shilling, spread all kind of BS about the size and how it's hard to fit PS5 in a stupidly extremely tight fit that no one should use in current gen but not say the same about the XSX that makes it impossible in many benches.
Wasted 16 minutes of my life watching that, I would rather waste it on having fun elsewhere or learning something good.
K.N.W.
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You can find some here:
GTX 1080 Ti vs RTX 2080: Which should you buy?
The RTX 2080 compared to the GTX 1080 Ti in the most recent games, including benchmark results at 1080p, 1440p and 4K.
www.eurogamer.net
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Do we know the Xbox series x performance in avengers yet? Did you guys hear about mixer heading to Facebook also? Xbox only Facebook streaming? Who knows, I know the twitch integration on Xbox one vs mixer was terrible so makes me think they will gimp twitch streaming if they have it.
Neo Blaster
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Too late, studio bought by MS(Ninja Theory).
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Ehh.. they are selling off Mixer; I doubt they'll be doing any extra integration with Facebook Gaming.
yewles1
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That's the point, just because Sony owns the IP, it means nothing if they do nothing with it in the long run.
icerock
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If only Sony had a buzzword for this thing akin to "smart delivery"
We don't know what sort of integration to expect in next-gen Xbox. I suspect in the beginning it'll be similar to what you get on PlayStation, with dedicated share button now, streaming UI/interface should redirect you to stream via YouTube/Twitch/FB whatever it is.
Main takeaway is that they are cutting their losses, investment in that platform must have been in hundreds of million if not billions. Now, they seem to be going ultra deep with xCloud and their partnership with FB/IG. I don't know what to make of all this, Stadia announced partnership with YouTube for this sort of stuff and nothing came off it. So who knows?
icerock
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More on new Avengers game from Square Enix press release: https://press.na.square-enix.com/MARVELS-AVENGERS-CONFIRMED-FOR-PLAYSTATION-5-AND-XBOX-SERIES-X
Happy to see them offering performance and graphics mode. I hope all next-gen games do so, I'll happily opt for 1440p 60fps over, 4K30.
Happy to see them offering performance and graphics mode. I hope all next-gen games do so, I'll happily opt for 1440p 60fps over, 4K30.
loktaiextatus
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On ANY platform... to DOUBLE the frame rate you must take more than a drop to 1440 from 4k.... you'll also need to reduce effects to DOUBLE the frame rate to a stable 60 from a stable 30 unless the game was already actually running like 45fps and the devs had it locked at 30 to reduce the tear.
Andodalf
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Lol. You're comparing across GPU generations, which is always invalidates TF comparisons. That's pretty much the cardinal sin of comparing GPUs.
This will have no bearing on say, two AMD APUs which utilize the same GPU architecture
loktaiextatus
Member
This is true. Although it doesnt always invalidate terraflop ratings for raw power it only invalidates them for optimization reasons and reasons of offloading more complex computations PER compute unit in the cases where a compute unit is different enough- this is why terraflops are hard to compare between manufacturers too.
I get what he was going for- and yeah there is an advantage in clock speed and compute units arent the END all but.. yeah youre so right about that.
Snowdonhoffen
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I think the most interesting parts of this might be:
"The PlayStation®5 experience will be seamless and dynamic, fully utilizing the ultra-high speed SSD " <--- Does this confirms the ultra fast instant access to any game running on PS5?
"PS5 will also provide players with their choice of Enhanced Graphics Mode or High Framerate mode. We'll have more details to share on Xbox Series X, Stadia, and PC specific features at a later time." <--- Obviously PC will have lots of graphical options on how to run the game but the fact they don't talk about Series X is kinda weird. Will XSX version be locked to the graphics mode? hmmmm
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
They are 10bit panels. They cannot display 12 bit content. The CX is not downgraded to any degree that can be appreciated by anyone at the moment unless you count DTS support which is being dropped in many 2020 models.I think LG C9 and the upcoming Sony XH90 are the best two TV's out there for next gen, if you're using it for PC for long hours better get the Sony XH90, if you're gaming less than 8 hours a session and watch movies then C9 is a wonderful pick. For me I'm getting the Sony XH90 because color and image accuracy is critical to me and nothing compares to Sony there. For 30fps games Sony LCD LED should be better and smoother, there is no perfect TV yet.
Double layer LCD's aren't yet available, Sony ditched the OLED and replaced it with LCD double layer and achieving near perfect blacks comparable to OLED's in its mastering/reference monitor, mother of all TV's. Double layer LCD panels are better than OLED's overal but lack viewing angle. So until microLED, there is no perfect TV and you decide for yourself what you like more.
And for XH90:
It'll support all of them with a future update, most likely before PS5 release. That's probably why there are no reviews of it yet. When rtings.com review it we'll know more about the depth of color at 4K@120Hz, but I think it'll use full depth, it's only LG CX that seems to downgrade it.
But for C9 it has that as well, only the new version CX is downgrading the color depth.
So I believe overall XH90 (X900H) and C9 are the best two after so much reading.
it's cinema clear motion setting also improves motion for 24fps content without introducing soap opera effect.
The CX also supports Freesync Premium which sports features like LFC.
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Dibils2k
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"In addition, PS5 gamers can play Marvel's Avengers online with PS4 gamers, so anyone can upgrade at any time and continue playing with friends on both platforms."
i ask this in more general terms...so are people in next gen gonna have to wait around for lastgen players to load in lol
PaintTinJr
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I haven't watched anything from DF in a while - and I haven't watched that - but I sort of get the feeling from what you and others have said about that video that DF are maybe a bit worried about their own relevance and survival this coming generation.
I'm sure there will be alot of sub-standard 3rd party games to analyse and point out flaws in, but with Sony first party stuff likely to hit such a high visual IQ, once UE5 gets used properly. Unless the PC gets a cheap effective IO upgrade agnostic of motherboard or processor to keep pace with PS5,, DF's relevance might be reduced to the interesting retro stuff if they can't soapbox about how a PC with a £400 graphics card can outperform a PS5.
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MasterCornholio
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Probably. Match won't start unless everyone has completed their loading.
icerock
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Press release has its fair share of PR fluff in there. Haptic/RT/SSD etc. are all thrown in there. Temper your expectations a bit, it's still a cross-gen game designed to run on toasters from 2013. Also, in order to "fully utilize" the SSD, you have to fully build the game from ground up which I doubt they are doing. The screens on PS Blog which I'm assuming is from PS5 look pretty. Let's see how the game actually reviews, I'm very pessimistic based on what they've shown so far.
They don't talk about Series X due to marketing with Sony, I see no reason why they wouldn't offer graphics/performance mode on it too.
Thanks for lecturing me on things I already know. Me (and many others) will happily sacrifice on visual fidelity if it meant 60fps at QHD rez. There's enough under the hood in both next-gen machines to help deliver a compelling graphics/performance mode.
This already happens now! If the games allows for cross-play and you're on a PC with an SSD, or consoles with an SSD. You're early into the lobby and have to wait for other players who are in turn waiting for their potatoes to load the map.
It's going to continue into next-gen too until everyone is on an SSD.
loktaiextatus
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This wasn't a lecture.. .but you didn't specify. You state it as if you think the only thing that'll change is to drop the resolution and Poof..... 60fps.
For anyone else reading- and for you if it applies I was just pointing out - even if obvious to you the thing you didnt mention
which was resolution wont be your only sacrifice to double the frame rate unless maybe you're willing to go to 1080p and below.
Wraith Phantom
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so now they going to move to develop only vr stuff For oculus exclusively....real shame
Well Sony just don't buy anyone ,just cause. Probably a lot of evaluation goes into their acquisitions. What I do notice from PS studio acquisitions is years & years of PS collaboration. PS platform loyalty almost. Before studios become "family"
Sony own the IP. And can always contract RAD to do a sequel if need be. Or just give it to someone else. You cant buy everyone. PS will probably promote a smaller studio that has helped in production in one of these big games. They have alot in production support worldwide.
Additionally Yoshida has incredible eye for talent & builds good relationships. He's not just doing indies. That man is scouting.
I hope FB dont fuck RAD up.
Bo_Hazem
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They don't seem to like it, many PC elitists feel insecure about PS5, which is good as most of them cheap out on buying games and aren't relevant to most devs, that's why mostly consoles are famous with great exclusives. But he expressed his preference to Xbox way back in some of his videos, they still make some good comparison videos, usually good when it's more technical. But when they're expressing their biased opinions they're not as objective. Shouting expensive repeatedly while XSX most likely will land at $500 or even beyond with lockhart is extremely underpowered yet might end up being only $100-50 away from PS5DE is the smartest move from Sony, if that's the case.
Why would someone cheap out over $100 with an extremely underpowered console if it's not just an alternative console alongside PS5? And about digital, I'm not interested in physical at all, but would buy the regular one just in case, and I think the PS5DE will still sell strong. It's also a good way to slap "Starting at $399" for PS5, as most buyers end up buying the higher console, just like most high end phones and iPhone in particular with the ridiculous 64GB models and no memory extension options.
K.N.W.
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TBH, the main cores didnt't change that much between GTX and RTX, it's not the generational leap you think.
But, if that is your point, PS5 also has other hardware optimizations helping rendering operations. You are right, we shouldn't even compare XSX's GPU to PS5's. /s
Why don't you put more effort in your responses instead of lolling??
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Here you can see how the 1080TI, having 12,5% more flops, scales almost linearly around that value in rendering benchmarks compared to the less powerful 2080.... Only to have the latter perform better in almost all games
So, no, different generations, but almost the same efficiency.
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Gamerguy84
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It was absolutely very negative as most of them are, especially by Richard. The way he puts down Sony is very subtle yet obvious. From the opening moments talking about the size all the way to the ending. If you have 7 minutes watch this. Its his review of the xbox one s. I picked it because its short but same applies to X and eries X.
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Neo Blaster
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They will have to offer some lobby activities for next gen users so they can wait for current gen ones.
sircaw
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Imtjnotu
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You
Because the engine is made for ps4 not ps5. The engine itself may not be able to do it
Bo_Hazem
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I just saw a Death Stranding PS4 Pro here few hours ago being sold at 189.900 OMR ($493.74 USD, 1 Omani Rial = $2.6 USD). Yes, around here at least, know no one would care much about the price tag of a PS5 and PS4's are still being sold strong and outsold at some places and need to restock regularly at near the release price 181 OMR ($470 USD).
saintjules
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Yes you're correct. I had a feeling they did so just did research to confirm.
saintjules
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ResilientBanana
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You mean, the same FUD that XSX received when it was revealed? You don't think Sony should get this kind of backlash for releasing an even larger console?
Bo_Hazem
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Nope, they're not the same. I rarely see someone placing his PS4 vertically, and PS5 isn't designed around being vertical like XSX. And if you place PS5 horizontally it's pretty much as high as PS3:
Take this bench for example:
If you ever manage to put an XSX inside there it'll be an extremely tight fit. I would personally get the XSX if it's in my interest, but saying bullshit about PS5 and in the very same regard you don't address the same problem with XSX which is even worse? I would take off a shelf even for PS5 to have better air flow, but some have something like this one and have no options but put it next to the tv which is ugly set up.
All those tight spaces aren't ideal anyway, just like still playing on 1080p tv's, but most people have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with size and have enough space to have my inwin 101c PC case sideways or even 3 of them in my bench after taking off the shelves.
When you make up a problem, address it in both sides. Size is never a problem for me, nor design for both. I will never buy an XSX nor I need to if I happen to like some of their games, PC is their and all their games will be designed with much less powerful PC's than mine in mind.
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