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MichaelCorleone
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Lamp me, gentlemen.
MichaelCorleone
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MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
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TheKaeptain
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alr1ghtstart said:well well
damn it! I came here to post that.
polyh3dron
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Honestly I don't think there is any DREAM anymore. There have been rumblings about a lightweight GP that Strikeforce and Real Entertainment are going to put together (no FEG involvement) with Kawajiri, Aoki, Kikuno and the Strikeforce lightweights taking place in Japan.Ryck said:
Rafa=FedKilla
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Minowa vs. winner of Henderson/Fejiao please.
polyh3dron
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nah fuck that, Minowa vs. Bigfoot.Rafa=FedKilla said:
Minowa wins by armbar to become the greatest P4P fighter in the world.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Superhulk champion vs. SF World Grand Prix champion.
polyh3dron
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I will LOL if the final ends up being Bigfoot vs. Kharitonov. Most unmarketable final possible for Strikeforce.
It is fucking hilarious how bad their luck is.
It is fucking hilarious how bad their luck is.
AranhaHunter
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Boogie said:
Certainly feasible, but I think JB beats Sergei.
Werdum - Uber is a lot closer than people think, it wouldn't surprise me if Werdum subs him again.
I thought the Fedor stoppage seemed a bit odd, why would a doctor stop a fight for a swollen eye, they never do that unless both are shut. Hell Koscheck's orbital bone was broken by the very first punch he took from GSP and couldn't see out of that eye for a full 25 minute fight and the doctors never stopped it.
Well...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/14/1992915/fedor-uninjured-no-broken-orbital-bone
Not only was Fedor's bone not broken, but apparently he called it off, not the doctor. I guess he really is done, his heart clearly isn't in it anymore.
Well...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/14/1992915/fedor-uninjured-no-broken-orbital-bone
Not only was Fedor's bone not broken, but apparently he called it off, not the doctor. I guess he really is done, his heart clearly isn't in it anymore.
AranhaHunter
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I was reading about that on PVT, end of an era. Thinking about it, Fedor could've continued if he really wanted to. I know this was Pride but I still remember Wand begging the doctor to let him continue to fight against Cro Cop. Of course the end result was even worse, but they let him continue.
Also, a doctor is saying that Andrei Arlovsky should never be cleared to fight again:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/1...hould-not-be-medically-cleared-to-fight-again
I have to admit that I don't disagree with him.
Also, a doctor is saying that Andrei Arlovsky should never be cleared to fight again:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/1...hould-not-be-medically-cleared-to-fight-again
I have to admit that I don't disagree with him.
AranhaHunter
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You mean like Vadim?
Vadim is a worthless manager, I know he's biased but not considering it a loss? I can see where some fights people don't consider the "loss" a loss, but this is not one of them. Fedor did not clearly win the 1st Round whereas Silva dominated the 2nd Round. And he wanted Fedor to come back saying we don't know what would've happened in the 3rd? I have a pretty good idea that Silva would've continued to hit that eye, possibly causing irreversible damage. Silva said as much when asked if the fight was correctly stopped (Silva is a very humble guy BTW, great character).
My roomate speaks fluent Russian, maybe I can ask her.
Vadim is a worthless manager, I know he's biased but not considering it a loss? I can see where some fights people don't consider the "loss" a loss, but this is not one of them. Fedor did not clearly win the 1st Round whereas Silva dominated the 2nd Round. And he wanted Fedor to come back saying we don't know what would've happened in the 3rd? I have a pretty good idea that Silva would've continued to hit that eye, possibly causing irreversible damage. Silva said as much when asked if the fight was correctly stopped (Silva is a very humble guy BTW, great character).
DKehoe said:
My roomate speaks fluent Russian, maybe I can ask her.
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pretty sad that ppl are still trolling fedor, arguably the best mma fighter in the world from 2001-2007, probably the first true well rounded mixed martial artist of the new modern era of mma, who had many great performances over the years.
the guy showed tremendous heart in the 2nd round of the fight with big foot, when lesser fighters might have tapped from strikes (see gsp/serra 1) or that arm triangle. who knows what really happened at the end of the 2nd round. i will admit that it didn't look like he protested the decision to stop the fight, so it's in the realm of possibility he said he couldn't continue the fight with his eye shut. now i guess there are rumors that he wanted to retire after the werdum fight but his M1 handlers pressured him into fighting again. if his heart is no longer in it, he should retire instead of fighting for paychecks like crocop, sakuraba, or wand.
him losing doesn't diminish his career or achievements, all the best fighters lose eventually, the most difficult opponent for most fighters is time.
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the guy showed tremendous heart in the 2nd round of the fight with big foot, when lesser fighters might have tapped from strikes (see gsp/serra 1) or that arm triangle. who knows what really happened at the end of the 2nd round. i will admit that it didn't look like he protested the decision to stop the fight, so it's in the realm of possibility he said he couldn't continue the fight with his eye shut. now i guess there are rumors that he wanted to retire after the werdum fight but his M1 handlers pressured him into fighting again. if his heart is no longer in it, he should retire instead of fighting for paychecks like crocop, sakuraba, or wand.
him losing doesn't diminish his career or achievements, all the best fighters lose eventually, the most difficult opponent for most fighters is time.
respect
polyh3dron
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Had Fedor signed with the UFC when Affliction folded, he would have fought Brock in Cowboys Stadium. Cain hadn't even fought Ben Rothwell yet at that point.SnakeXs said:
yacobod said:
JDS should practice nothing but knees against a takedown. Brock'll steamroll himself right into one, if JDS doesn't make him spin like a pretty princess and verbally quit before that.
Brock is only good at controlling people who are content being controlled (read: Mir). JDS won't be and will be active. Doesn't hurt that he's a BJJ brown belt.
AranhaHunter
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yacobod said:
I've read a while ago that Minotauro and others have said that JDS TDD is good, but the hardest part is keeping him on his back as he's always able to get up, he kinda showed that a little bit against Gonzaga. Will that be enough against a small Grizzly bear like Lesnar? I don't know.
Do people here think Jon Fitch is gonna "Fitch" Penn or is BJ's TDD and ground game too much for him?
Luscious LeftFoot
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AranhaHunter said:
Fitch will stand for exact 1:00min of the first round before laying on BJ for the remainder of the fight.
I don't think BJ has the power to knock him out, or the stamina to out work him for 3 rounds. So it's a sub or nothing.
AranhaHunter
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I expect Brock to come out with flying knees and desperately trying to clinch and take JDS down, it would be ill advised to try to have a feel out process before going for the takedown.
Overeem Vs Werdum:
If Overeem can avoid the ground he has chances.
Round 2: Werdum goes for the takedown ... BAM! Uberknee
Overeem Vs Silva:
Same as Vs Werdum dont go to the ground!!
Reem by decission.
Grand Finals : The Reem Vs Kharitonov
Outcome: ?????
Then again this is Strikeforce so its going to be Silva Vs Kharitonov.
If Overeem can avoid the ground he has chances.
Round 2: Werdum goes for the takedown ... BAM! Uberknee
Overeem Vs Silva:
Same as Vs Werdum dont go to the ground!!
Reem by decission.
Grand Finals : The Reem Vs Kharitonov
Outcome: ?????
Then again this is Strikeforce so its going to be Silva Vs Kharitonov.
AranhaHunter
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Sinatar said:
There was a recent interview with Werdum where he said he might surprise Overeem by standing with him. Of course this is all talk and he'll try to take the fight to the ground as soon as possible.
AranhaHunter said:
i'm a huge bj penn fan, but i don't think hes going to be able to beat fitch, bj is going to get taken down and held down, if he doesn't win the fight in the first round, i don't think he will win, and nobody has stopped fitch, so i doubt penn will be the first guy to do it.
As the world's lone Fitch fan, it's a pretty interesting fight. I just hope BJ is actually prepared as that has been a real big issue and I don't necessarily think Jon Fitch is someone that would get him amped and training. Otherwise we will get three rounds of him getting dominated and his corner telling him he's winning and how Fitch doesn't even belong in the same city as him. Is he still with the same camp from the Edgar fights?
TunaMarshmallow
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I'm in agreement with the last few posters who think that BJ will have problems with Fitch.
1. Knocking Fitch out seems nearly impossible. BJ has heavy hands, but Fitch can't be stopped.
2. Subbing Fitch is a long shot, but he only shot. Even if BJ gets top position, he won't keep it for long enough to submit Fitch; Fitch just stands up too quickly, particularly when facing smaller dudes. I think that the standard top-control->take back->RNC option is unavailable, basically. (Also, allegedly Fitch basically *cannot* be choked. So says his camp.) So BJ's best chance is submit Fitch from his back. Fitch is active enough when on top that he will give BJ some opportunities to go for an arm, to roll for an ankle, etc. Unfortunately, as strong a BJJ player as BJ is, he's never shown a tendency to submit guys from his back in MMA. So although this is his best option, it strikes me as pretty unlikely.
3. Decisioning Fitch seems about as impossible as KOing Fitch, particularly with how MMA tends to be judged.
I'd like to see BJ win this fight. I'm just not sure how it happens.
1. Knocking Fitch out seems nearly impossible. BJ has heavy hands, but Fitch can't be stopped.
2. Subbing Fitch is a long shot, but he only shot. Even if BJ gets top position, he won't keep it for long enough to submit Fitch; Fitch just stands up too quickly, particularly when facing smaller dudes. I think that the standard top-control->take back->RNC option is unavailable, basically. (Also, allegedly Fitch basically *cannot* be choked. So says his camp.) So BJ's best chance is submit Fitch from his back. Fitch is active enough when on top that he will give BJ some opportunities to go for an arm, to roll for an ankle, etc. Unfortunately, as strong a BJJ player as BJ is, he's never shown a tendency to submit guys from his back in MMA. So although this is his best option, it strikes me as pretty unlikely.
3. Decisioning Fitch seems about as impossible as KOing Fitch, particularly with how MMA tends to be judged.
I'd like to see BJ win this fight. I'm just not sure how it happens.
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