Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Because it was stated in the context that EVERY GP subscriber is doing the $1 trial.

It wasn't just the $1 trial, there was the $1/£1 upgrade. I came back to the XBox because of that being such a good deal. £100 on cheap Gold for 3 years +£1 and that turned it into 3 years of GamePass Ultimate. It was a pretty convoluted process though, so I doubt many maximised the deal like I did.
 
SO whats going to be your reply when a list is produced? Am I genuinely wasting my time here because you bleed blue or are you going to actually look at the list and maybe change your opinion in any capacity?

You are fighting for the glory of Xbox's soul, complete the list, make sure its a proper fud list.

I want lots of slants about xbox technical make up. i want a nice long list of all the nasty things that sony people have said about its performance. Its shitty cpu, its terrible memory system, its terrible ssd, give me those examples plz.
 
It wasn't just the $1 trial, there was the $1/£1 upgrade. I came back to the XBox because of that being such a good deal. £100 on cheap Gold for 3 years +£1 and that turned it into 3 years of GamePass Ultimate. It was a pretty convoluted process though, so I doubt many maximised the deal like I did.

I took advantage of it but only 2 years but I had doubled up on an XBLG sale about 2 months before they did that deal. I then added another year in a New Egg Sale. Think its ended up being 12 months for the price of 6.
 
lol

I mostly read headlines now but when I open the thread to see some new info I depare with a FUD list war.

The topic is pretty clear...

Blue side... cares about PS5.
Green side... cares about PS5.

That is why there is a lot of FUD from one side And barely any from the other... you can waste all your time to try to find FUD topics about the green side but it won't fill the fingers in your hands.
 
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I almost feel bad for him to have almost apologize that he prefers PS consoles (mostly because of exclusives as he says), i imagine the poor guy got harasse by Xbox fanboyz all day on twitter.

Everyone have the right to like why they want to like. The Valve guy said he was more excited about Xbox and i didn't seen any PS fan being mad at this, people need to chill.
 
Like are you purposefully being obtuse at this point? Can't really tell.

Can't really tell either. They've said it was part of the plan to release it in pieces before deciding to go full delay. But you're suggesting that was considered after delay because article came out after decision was made, right?
 
You are fighting for the glory of Xbox's soul, complete the list, make sure its a proper fud list.

I want lots of slants about xbox technical make up. i want a nice long list of all the nasty things that sony people have said about its performance. Its shitty cpu, its terrible memory system, its terrible ssd, give me those examples plz.

Answer my question.

But also not all of your list is Playstation technical make up. So I am not sure why you think mine would have to be.
 
Can't really tell either. They've said it was part of the plan to release it in pieces before deciding to go full delay. But you're suggesting that was considered after delay because article came out after decision was made, right?

They said they considered releasing it in pieces before going to full delay. You are trying to claim that means that it was supposed to always come out in pieces. Why would they need to consider releasing it in pieces if it was always supposed to be that way?
 
I had to explain to him what PRT does, he did not know. He is fake.

Per CU clock seems very odd, dont buy that, the timing and logic would be very complex. Why ?

Also he rabbits on for ages, will wait for the time stamps :messenger_beaming:



If there are many many layers to a chip, the critcal ones will be the gates / transistor switches if you like. The critical smallest one will be the gate and the speed of switching, which is based on the smallest dimension but also the material used in the gates and its properties.

So when people talk about 7nm, its a density but just about, some parts will be much larger than 7nm, thats just the smallest gate and you also have to think in 3D (thickness and widths / lengths). It could also be a fancy novel gate material that works better......secret sauces all the time bt you would not also get the transistor density.

A good indicator of how advanced in nm and how much EUV is used, which will allow smaller more consistent dimensions is the performance per watt and frequencies as well as density.

Hence we know ps5 is up there with 2.23 Ghz GPU which is impressive for such voulume parts, but also maybe PART due to the fancy cooling technology....

But you will never actually know unless AMD tell you. TSMC never will.
So this guy who is correctly explaining lithography specifics in fabbing processes in most neutral way without naming any sides is banned for crying MS bad and Sony fanboying? Mod of War Mod of War there is seriously something wrong with *some* of the moderation here. I know from personal experience that every person can sometimes get baited and get heated in a discussion to stoop lower than they normally would, but banning those guys from replying to threads where they could really speak from professional experience is just plain wrong IMO. Maybe moderation should ask for vetting some people instead of punishing them without knowing the foundation of their experience and why they speak from a position of certainty even when what they speak rubs some people in the wrong way so much that they get reported on for speaking frankly.
 
Thats my point. People here are trying to claim that somehow the Team Green FUD is on another level compared to Team Blue FUD.
Team Blue trying to sway the board:

- PS5 more powerful than MS new system! Book it. A guy named Klee who used to work at Gamefan Magazine 20 years says "he knows guys"
- PS5 compatible with all previous gen consoles!
- Third party devs will never take advantage of higher spec systems when the units sold are low so skip Xbox One X..... (but if it's PS4 Pro or PS5 it's ok)!

And the best one of all, which started around 2014....

- Gamers! Don't support Xbox because Xbox One will be Microsoft's last system. So don't bother as there won't be another Xbox system to carry over BC compatible games!
 
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Answer my question.

But also not all of your list is Playstation technical make up. So I am not sure why you think mine would have to be.
I did answer your question, you are fighting for the soul of Xbox here.

you said it would be easy to do.

This forum bleeds blue, we hear it all the time how one-sided this place is.

all i am asking you is to get to 52 points
match me, so that we can finally say that sony fans are just as bad as Microsofts.

I did not even continue finishing the sony list i could of gone on and on, believe me i am doing you a godsend here

All i want you to do is get to 52.
 
Team Blue trying to sway the board:

- PS5 more powerful than MS new system!
- PS5 compatible with all previous gen consoles!
- Third party devs will never take advantage of higher spec systems when the units sold are low so skip Xbox One X..... (but if it's PS4 Pro or PS5 it's ok)!


And the best one of all, which started around 2014....

- Gamers! Don't support Xbox because Xbox One will be Microsoft's last system. So don't bother as there won't be another Xbox system to carry over BC compatible games


These are new, where did they come from

I want real things that were said, not made up 1 minute ago.
 
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They said they considered releasing it in pieces before going to full delay. You are trying to claim that means that it was supposed to always come out in pieces. Why would they need to consider releasing it in pieces if it was always supposed to be that way?

I've just said it would be launched in pieces. They considered it from day 1 or before delay, doesn't matter. It was part of the plan. WOW, sorry, didn't mentioned it was part of the plan before they chose to delaying it was the best option. Eh, whatever
 
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So this guy who is correctly explaining lithography specifics in fabbing processes in most neutral way without naming any sides is banned for crying MS bad and Sony fanboying? Mod of War Mod of War there is seriously something wrong with *some* of the moderation here. I know from personal experience that every person can sometimes get baited and get heated in a discussion to stoop lower than they normally would, but banning those guys from replying to threads where they could really speak from professional experience is just plain wrong IMO. Maybe moderation should ask for vetting some people instead of punishing them without knowing the foundation of their experience and why they speak from a position of certainty even when what they speak rubs some people in the wrong way so much that they get reported on for speaking frankly.
There is a thread for that.

 
I did answer your question, you are fighting for the soul of Xbox here.

you said it would be easy to do.

This forum bleeds blue, we hear it all the time how one-sided this place is.

all i am asking you is to get to 52 points
match me, so that we can finally say that sony fans are just as bad as Microsofts.

I did not even continue finishing the sony list i could of gone on and on, believe me i am doing you a godsend here

All i want you to do is get to 52.

No you didnt asnwer my question.

Look, I fully understand this is a pissing contest thread in the world of video games which is a petty filled board of nonsense. But if you are simply going to look at a list and then come back with more nonsense I am not going to waste my time even for the petty fun of it.

So I will ask again, when I produce a list, will you actually read it and possibly change your opinion?
 
No you didnt asnwer my question.

Look, I fully understand this is a pissing contest thread in the world of video games which is a petty filled board of nonsense. But if you are simply going to look at a list and then come back with more nonsense I am not going to waste my time even for the petty fun of it.

So I will ask again, when I produce a list, will you actually read it and possibly change your opinion?

If its 100% genuine and not some bullshit made up crap like the guy just posted a few posts above then sure.
But i want proper things that were discussed, and linked or posted on these forums.

You better not be reaching for examples either, i want clear pinpoint examples were sony have gone out of there way to belittle Xbox.
 
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Team Blue trying to sway the board:

- PS5 more powerful than MS new system! Book it. A guy named Klee who used to work at Gamefan Magazine 20 years says "he knows guys"
- PS5 compatible with all previous gen consoles!
- Third party devs will never take advantage of higher spec systems when the units sold are low so skip Xbox One X..... (but if it's PS4 Pro or PS5 it's ok)!

And the best one of all, which started around 2014....

- Gamers! Don't support Xbox because Xbox One will be Microsoft's last system. So don't bother as there won't be another Xbox system to carry over BC compatible games!
Sorry but where are the FUD about Xbox?

Do you want a list about PS5?
 
I've just said it would be launched in pieces. They considered it from day 1 or before delay, doesn't matter. It was part of the plan. WOW, sorry, didn't mentioned it was part of the plan before they chose to delaying it was the best option. Eh, whatever

Your wording didn't indicate that at all. Thats how FUD is spread.

You said it was meant to be released in pieces. Thats not the same as saying it was considered to be split when a delay was now going to happen.
 
If its 100% genuine and not some bullshit made up crap like the guy just posted a few posts above then sure.
But i want proper things that were discussed, and linked or posted on these forums.

You better not be reaching for examples either, i want clear pinpoint examples were sony have gone out of there way to belittle Xbox.

Was yours linked?
 
Your wording didn't indicate that at all. Thats how FUD is spread.

You said it was meant to be released in pieces. Thats not the same as saying it was considered to be split when a delay was now going to happen.

Don't blame me if they consider it to do so. Doesn't matter did they consider it from day 1 or before delay. If the launch of the game happened, it would be in pieces.
 
I meant were your claims linked to posts proving their legitimacy?

As you are a frequent user of this forum and have been in this thread on numerous occasions, i am sure you will be able to identify all of those, as they were all pulled from this thread

If you want to go back and look through this thread, knock yourself out.
 
As you are a frequent user of this forum and have been in this thread on numerous occasions, i am sure you will be able to identify all of those, as they were all pulled from this thread

If you want to go back and look through this thread, knock yourself out.

I believe no is the answer you're looking for. And I have been on this forum far longer than you have sir.
 
GTFO

Sony and AMD said its RDNA2 or based on it. Why would it be worse then RDNA2 stock in terms of featureset?
All you are doing is creating FUD.

Please either remove him from this thread or ban him completly.
Nevermind I just saw mods will rather let people post that are full of shit (this has been proven several times) and ban technical knowlegeable people who actually work in semiconductor bussines.

Guess GAF is just another place where science and facts are fakenews.
I agree with you. Mods protect some individuals for their own reasons, probably clicks. I will be out of here after the launch.

That Matt Hargett don't pull no punches hey?

Must admit, it's somewhat refreshing.
But it's not is it, you know it's not. How do you keep getting away with this? The thing is, yeah, people interested in PS5 don't give a shit. But what people do take issue with is false claims or misinformation on the matter.

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I thought tricking a Sony employee into talking to you about RDNA and PS5 then posting his private DM to you online was bad enough.
Mod of War Mod of War for the love of god, can you see how an actual ex-engineer working for Sony on Playstation easily takes down this Gavin guy and how he tries to spread FUD on this thread as well as other media? And how the people that are either reply banned from this thread, or outright banned from forum are actually stating the facts against this deranged individual albeit in a frank and confrontational manner but always being completely in the right? This need to be made right. Report functionality isn't used properly it seems if the entire context is avoided in handing the punishment.
 
PS5 more powerful than MS new system
My stance on this:
"X percent weaker", "X percent stronger", "More powerful", "Less powerful".

12.15 TFLOPs and 10.28 TFLOPs are THEORETICAL peak numbers used for measuring single-precision (32-bit) floating-point performance. The real question here is, which console is gonna get closer to that peak TFLOPs number?

Like I said before, it's pointless arguing over which one's more powerful based on a theoretical TFLOPs number which we know both consoles will NEVER hit unless VALU (Vector ALU) utilization is at 100%. Hitting 100% VALU utilization is IMPOSSIBLE unless you're conducting insane benchmarks on these consoles which tries to use ALL the CUs in parallel for computing.

Theoretical TFLOPs numbers don't mean shit to me, what matters most to me is which console performs best overall while getting closer to their listed peak TFLOPs. THAT console is the more powerful and capable console imho.

PS5 compatible with all previous gen consoles!
We barely still know anything about the PS5 yet, so I would wait until everything's revealed first before jumping to conclusions.
 
Just let Nikana give the lust when it's ready. No need to go crazy on them. When it's ready, let's keep an open mind and read it. I'd rather read it and try to give an unbiased take on it.
 
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The thing I wonder about though is that whenever you have to offer financial options, that's usually tied to a credit check and credit potentially being affected. I guess maybe Sony would make more of a point with the PS5 to push that option more with Merchants like Best Buy and Amazon? Though those are usually offered at default.

Bundling it into a Subscription that you use could be one option (and safer).

 
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Theoretical TFLOPs numbers don't mean shit to me, what matters most to me is which console performs best overall while getting closer to their listed peak TFLOPs. THAT console is the more powerful and capable console imho.


We barely still know anything about the PS5 yet, so I would wait until everything's revealed first before jumping to conclusions.

For the longest time I was confused on how two GPUs with the same TF number can perform differently. Alot of it boils down to how efficient they are. Obviously neither will reach their TF count but the more efficient one can get closer to it.

I still believe the XSX will be more powerful but im not sure which system is more efficient yet. They both use hardware trucks to remove bottlenecks.
 
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