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[Bladed Thesis]

Gandhi " Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Honestly people that make stuff up (general terms) will always have to confront the truth in the end. That usually never ends well for them.

If we let them spread false information they will only hurt themselves in the end. There's no need for us to provoke them.

So you were there calling out Bo when his own posts and fud on XSX 3D audio chip was exposed as fud?

:sure:

See this is part of it. Some people in this thread like to take this "we need to call this out" stance to sound all noble but when one certain side does the fud spreading they go very quiet. Almost like they don't mean what they say...

 

[azertydu91]

Yer I felt the same way. I really was pulling for xbox a few months ago then the bullshit started from the usual suspects.

Sometimes it's so fucking hard to stay positive about xbox with all the bullshit they spin, Phil, eastwood, dealer etc, they really do try there best to make me want to hate their brand.

i just don't know anymore, i want to say something awful but the people it would be directed at simply don't care and my comments will end up hurting the normal peeps, fans.

Sigh

Yeah even though I was a kid I remember the nintendo/sega war and it was awesome from a game perspective.
I was more on the Nintendo side but then the dreamcast came out and it was awesome, then I went back to Nintendo with the gamecube and the wii there were great games everywhere, competition even Xbox was great back in those days I spent so much time playing Halo 1 and 2 with me friends.

Now none of them care about Halo anymore nor Xbox and some of the most hardocre Xbox fans of my friends gave up.It didn't help that MS basically didn't care about Europe and it showed.

I want them to put out great games and I hope there will be (especially Hellblade2) and there also on Pc strategy is the best way they wouldn't get my money otherwise but they need to put out games to get my money.
I know I'll stay PC/Ps5 next gen even if sony didn't show the best that they could do, simply because they've been consistently great at putting out great games.But now I have no idea what game I'll buy on pc that come from Xbox.

And good games no matter their exclusivity even if they were xbox only and not PC would always be good for the industry, it pushes the medium to be more accepted, it pushes other dev to do better.

I had an xbox and a ps2 at the time and loved them both, I didn't jump on the 360 or ps3 because I couldn't afford any of them and when I could ps3 was blasting games over games so I skipped the 360 but I feel it was a great console too.
That I can't say it about the Xbox one and by the look of it the XSX doesn't look that good either for now.
I hope they will turn things around put out great games, it won't make me buy their console but it will make me buy their games.
I can be snarky about some diehard fanboy because honestly it's fun I can be exasperate at some fanboys too, but I don't wish bad things to Xbox I want them to make something really good, I want them to make games I want to play.
And most of all I want them to push Sony to their limits I want them to force eachother to do better.But I don't really think Phil Spencer is the right guy for that.He may be good negociating with studios with his 'I'd sell my wife if I could and will say anything to make you buy", but he's not made to handle Xbox.

 

[sircaw]

I agree. So think on this. Read through this thread and you're telling me Sony has been the one getting poked? The top console that sits on top the mountain is the victim?

And there is a ton of fud in here about Xbox too. You'd almost think the Xbox didn't have an SSD with some of the talk in this thread. You'd almost think the Xbox didn't have 3d Audio. Bo for gods sake was dropping constant fud about the Xbox audio and even when called out on it he didn't budge. Let's not act like it's one-sided at all. The bans tell a very different story.

Have you been paying attention to this thread?

I certainly have been paying attention to this thread, i have been in it for the vast majority of my time being on this forum.

Every single week there has been something about Sony's hardware, something wrong with it, people making videos, tweets on rdn1 bla bla bla, we have all seen it in here. The shit sony has gone through on this forum has far exceeded what Microsoft has been through.

The fud list proves it. I wrote the points down, i am sure you know that i stopped at 52 points, i could of gone to 100. infact this week there has been even more. i have stopped doing it, its beyond crazy how people have been

If you think its an equal bag then i challenge you, go and write 52 points of fud that has been spread about Xboxi from sony people over the last 4 months.

 

[MasterCornholio]

So you were there calling out Bo when his own posts and fud on XSX 3D audio chip was exposed as fud?

:sure:

See this is part of it. Some people in this thread like to take this "we need to call this out" stance to sound all noble but when one certain side does the fud spreading they go very quiet. Almost like they don't mean what they say...

You mean the audio chip that Ninja Theory confirmed?

Xbox Series X will have a dedicated audio chip, Ninja Theory engineers reveal | VGC

Hardware acceleration could enable 3D audio…

www.videogameschronicle.com

I already talked about the article plus I reported people for making the brute Force claim.

I was getting a bit trigger happy with both sides so I asked the mods to take away my report function.

 

[Nikana]

Yer, that's why I always said, those Eastwoods, Dealer types, them being associated with the xbox brand is a very bad move from Microsoft.

Most of my distrust or negative viewing comes from those people.

So extreme views on the Xbox side made you dislike Microsoft more? But yet the extreme views on the Sony side doesn't move the needle in your Sony meter?

Sounds to me you just don't like Xbox as much. Which is fine, but don't try to say it's the extremist that push you that way.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I certainly have been paying attention to this thread, i have been in it for the vast majority of my time being on this forum.

Every single week there has been something about Sony's hardware, something wrong with it, people making videos, tweets on rdn1 bla bla bla, we have all seen it in here. The shit sony has gone through on this forum has far exceeded what Microsoft has been through.

The fud list proves it. I wrote the points down, i am sure you know that i stopped at 52 points, i could of gone to 100. infact this week there has been even more. i have stopped doing it, its beyond crazy how people have been

If you think its an equal bag then i challenge you, go and write 52 points of fud that has been spread about Xboxi from sony people over the last 4 months.

DM me your list for me to reference and I'll put together a list.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

You mean the audio chip that Ninja Theory confirmed?

Xbox Series X will have a dedicated audio chip, Ninja Theory engineers reveal | VGC

Hardware acceleration could enable 3D audio…

www.videogameschronicle.com

I already talked about the article plus I reported people for making the brute Force claim.

Then I commend you for the impartiality. The forum needs more posters like you. Still, I think when a prominent thread participant that everybody likes (Bo is cool, I like Bo too) gets shown to be spreading fud, other prominent speculation thread participants should step up to the conversation and call them out on it.

 

[kyliethicc]

PS5 Pro 3nm in 3 years?

Honestly if the PS5 is launching at $500 or $600, they'd be better off just focusing on a PS5 slim in 2023 at $100 less, then just offer a 1.65 TB option for an extra $100.

I'm not sure I want developers to have to make games for a Pro SKU again, because games still have to be built for the baseline. There will never be PS5 Pro exclusives that truly use its power to the max. Just focus on 1 system for 6 or 7 years and then launch PS6.

PS5 can already output 8K and will be running some games at 4K 60 Hz. Some might even offer 120 Hz options. Thats enough for me.

Just make it smaller, more power efficient, and get the price lower. If people want to spend more, give them an option for 2x internal storage.

 

[sircaw]

So extreme views on the Xbox side made you dislike Microsoft more? But yet the extreme views on the Sony side doesn't move the needle in your Sony meter?

Sounds to me you just don't like Xbox as much. Which is fine, but don't try to say it's the extremist that push you that way.

What extreme views are you talking about?

I was a new to the console environment, i joined two years ago. I went on the web trying to research and came across 4 people that were telling me how fucking wonderful xbox was.

Those people were Dealer, eastwood, crapgamer and MBG. These fools were basically bullshitting people telling them how great xbox was back then, i being a new person to console gaming almost fell for it, lucky i researched other avenues.

Imagine if i had listened to their bullshit, i would have missed out on some of the greatest games the last generation.
God of war, rachet and clank, you know the list its fucking huge.

These fucking con artists are at is again, only its the start of a new generation again.

So yes i hate those fuckers, Mbg and Crappygamer have turned to Sony and there still, bottom of the food chain to me.

 

[kyliethicc]

or Xbox series XX (wondering what name ms will use for the mid gen refresh)

I wouldn't be surprised if they do an Xbox Series X Elite like the controller. $600 w/2 TB or something.

I imagine in 2023-24 they will just make another Series X and just replace the 2020 model with the new one. same name.

 

[SaucyJack]

He says alot of interesting things about Sonys and Microsofts approaches to gaming.

The gist if it is value vs premium gaming.

And even then it still feels like he's trying really hard to say something complementary about Xbox. It's like when you're struggling to say something nice about a girl and end up complementing her personality.

 

[Moridianae]

I'm wondering if perhaps Microsoft was going to announce the price and date of the Series X, with the Series S also being unveiled and subsequently priced and dated, in an effort to bring attention and positivity back(moved up their original plan).

Sony got wind and surprise--decided to show up at Gamescom, amongst whatever else they are doing?

Completely asinine speculation on my part, I know.

Have we determined whether or not the GIF meant good news or bad?

 

[sircaw]

DM me your list for me to reference and I'll put together a list.

You don't need my list to make your list, start from scratch as i did. It took me 6 hours to find 52 points of fud

See you in six hours.

Remember you said it was commonplace to find Sony talking shit about xbox.

there should be tonnes of it on these forums.

Good luck

 

[HawarMiran]

Sony to Microsoft after they open the floodgates of information

 

[MasterCornholio]

Then I commend you for the impartiality. The forum needs more posters like you. Still, I think when a prominent thread participant that everybody likes (Bo is cool, I like Bo too) gets shown to be spreading fud, other prominent speculation thread participants should step up to the conversation and call them out on it.

Well I'm not truly neutral because I still have my preferences. But I try to call things out if they are wrong. The problem with me is that I don't have a technical background so im not sure when people are spouting BS or telling the truth with alot of things.

When it comes to that audio chip I knew it existed back then but the details were not revealed until the recent hot chips event. Up until then there was speculation on what it could do. I agree that people claiming it didn't exist was BS because Ninja Theory confirmed it but we didn't have any details on how it actually works. With Sony they told us about the tempest engine and how the chip was actually designed so there was alot less room for speculation there.

 

[jimbojim]

So extreme views on the Xbox side made you dislike Microsoft more? But yet the extreme views on the Sony side doesn't move the needle in your Sony meter?

extreme views on PS side are nowhere near to extreme views on Xbox side.

 

[Nikana]

extreme views on PS side are nowhere near to extreme views on Xbox side.

Tag checks out.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You don't need my list to make your list, start from scratch as i did. It took me 6 hours to find 52 points of fud

See you in six hours.

Remember you said it was commonplace to find Sony talking shit about xbox.

there should be tonnes of it on these forums.

Good luck

Here i'll start

Xbox One will hold back Halo Infinite

Oh wait that turned out to be true lol

 

[Nikana]

What extreme views are you talking about?

I was a new two the console environment, i joined two years ago. I went on the web trying to research and came across 4 people that were telling me how fucking wonderful xbox was.

Those people were Dealer, eastwood, crapgamer and MBG. These fools were basically bullshitting people telling them how great xbox was back then, i being a new person to console gaming almost fell for it, lucky i researched other avenues.

Imagine if i had listened to their bullshit, i would have missed out on some of the greatest games the last generation.
God of war, rachet and clank, you know the list its fucking huge.

These fucking con artists are at is again, only its the start of a new generation again.

So yes i hate those fuckers, Mbg and Crappygamer have turned to Sony and there still, bottom of the food chain to me.

Look at any of the PS5 SSD threads.

Again, because fanboys were pushing for their machine over the competition you want to lessen your personal opinion of Xbox? You make it sound like someone is trying to defend the extremists on the Xbox side which no one is doing except the extremist on green side.

 

[jimbojim]

Tag checks out.

I don't create FUD for Xbox like Xbox extremist are doing for PS. Cheers!

 

[Nikana]

I don't create FUD for Xbox like Xbox extremist are doing for PS. Cheers!

And where did I say you did any of that?

 

[jimbojim]

And where did I say you did any of that?

You mentioned my tag in post which is related to extreme views. I'm not doing any of that.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Honestly if the PS5 is launching at $500 or $600, they'd be better off just focusing on a PS5 slim in 2023 at $100 less, then just offer a 1.65 TB option for an extra $100.

I'm not sure I want developers to have to make games for a Pro SKU again, because games still have to be built for the baseline. There will never be PS5 Pro exclusives that truly use its power to the max. Just focus on 1 system for 6 or 7 years and then launch PS6.

PS5 can already output 8K and will be running some games at 4K 60 Hz. Some might even offer 120 Hz options. Thats enough for me.

Just make it smaller, more power efficient, and get the price lower. If people want to spend more, give them an option for 2x internal storage.

I personally don't think there will be a PS5 Pro, I don't want to get into it again since I've discussed it many times before.

But a PS5 slim, now that's interesting, I do remember Mark Cerny or someone mentioning that the manufacturing team were hard at work after PS3's release to reduce manufacturing costs of the console units and eventually we got the PS3 slim, which was incredibly compact and used less power.

However I do imagine PS5 will be a little more challenging, because the hardware has become so much more intricrate and the cooling solution is much more advanced. That being said, the launch PS5 console still looks incredible from a manufacturing and design standpoint. I'll still be looking forward to a slim model!

 

[Nikana]

You mentioned my tag in post which is related to extreme views. I'm not doing any of that.

You try to claim the extremist on green are somehow far worse than blue and have a tag that clearly states you troll Xbox threads.

Never said anything about you creating FUD but you clearly have something against Microosft so excuse me if your opinion doesn't hold much weight.

 

[sircaw]

Look at any of the PS5 SSD threads.

Again, because fanboys were pushing for their machine over the competition you want to lessen your personal opinion of Xbox? You make it sound like someone is trying to defend the extremists on the Xbox side which no one is doing except the extremist on green side.

Day one sony came out with there new ssd tech, xbox fanboys piled all over that channel attacking it. I am sure you remember it. The amount of downplaying was simply ridiculous.

the fact is xbox people have been starting fires for the last few months on this forum, it's always sony people responding to them or trying to put them out.

 

[Darklor01]

I've seen both sides extremists go after each other. Not sure what there is to gain.

I'm sad for the state of things XBOX. it made my purchasing decisions easier where I'll wait until there are more 1st party next gen titles and at a time where it is on sale and in a bundle.

They need to make up ground and be somewhere close to their X360 days. That's good for them, and good for games in general.

For now, I'll happily buy a PlayStation and game with friend

 

[TrippleA345]

I see no reason why the "backward compatibility" of the Xbox One should hold back Next Gen. All next gen games for the next 7 years can also be bought and played on the Xbox One.
How? Just play via XCloud and the problem is solved.
Halo would be a next gen Game even on Xbox one! Has something like this ever happened before? Next Gen on the current Gen? How can you miss such a chance Mr.Spencer.

Jim Ryan once said he doesn't care what the competition does? Why? Because he cannot prevent what the competition does. He can't prevent Xbox from pushing cloud gaming and Microsoft from gaining customers. He can't prevent Microsoft from making completely different high quality games, like a City Builder, similar to Cities Skylines, 20 times as big and instead of 10 000 cars on the road maybe 500 000 - 1 mil and many more exotic games that neither Sony nor Nintendo are focused on. There are enough gaps that can be filled in order to provide the Xbox brand with uniquely! assignable! values.Playstation has values, whatever they are, be it the heavy singleplayer games or be it the cinema live events, like the E3 of the past and Nintendo also conveys some values (don't want to enumerate them now). Everybody can imagine many more scenarios and games that can convey values that have been neglected by the competition.
Nonetheless, Xbox tries to convey values like "play everywhere". This has not been successful so far. But of course it can still become.

Nevertheless the Xbox division has so far (unless something positively unusual comes along) not taken advantage of these opportunities and failed terribly (there are countless reasons, the public appearance, the promises, the games, marketing, the streams, and much more). If the Phils ect. do not suddenly make a grandiose 180° turn, then basically the leadership must be changed. They don't know how to run the gaming division and that was pretty clear.

 

[sircaw]

I don't create FUD for Xbox like Xbox extremist are doing for PS. Cheers!

FUD SPREADER. BAD DOG

 

[MarkMe2525]

Yer, that's why I always said, those Eastwoods, Dealer types, them being associated with the xbox brand is a very bad move from Microsoft.

Most of my distrust or negative viewing comes from those people.

No one outside of a couple gaming forums knows who those people are. Allot of hyperbolic debby downers in here over the past few weeks. PS5 and MS are both going to be fine. Gaming is huge and mainstream. They will find their audiences no problem.

 

[jimbojim]

You try to claim the extremist on green are somehow far worse than blue and have a tag that clearly states you troll Xbox threads.

Never said anything about you creating FUD but you clearly have something against Microosft so excuse me if your opinion doesn't hold much weight

Yes, they are. So, what if i have that tag.

 

[jimbojim]

FUD SPREADER. BAD DOG

It's obvious that i've now created a FUD about Xbox extremists. Put that on the list

 

[kyliethicc]

I personally don't think there will be a PS5 Pro, I don't want to get into it again since I've discussed it many times before.

But a PS5 slim, now that's interesting, I do remember Mark Cerny or someone mentioning that the manufacturing team were hard at work after PS3's release to reduce manufacturing costs of the console units and eventually we got the PS3 slim, which was incredibly compact and used less power.

However I do imagine PS5 will be a little more challenging, because the hardware has become so much more intricrate and the cooling solution is much more advanced. That being said, the launch PS5 console still looks incredible from a manufacturing and design standpoint. I'll still be looking forward to a slim model!

There will of course be a PS5 slim, just like every PlayStation. PS1 slim, PS2 slim, PS3 slim, PS4 slim, its gonna happen.

And it will of course be waiting for a die shrink. PS4 was 28nm, PS4 slim was 16nm. PS5 7nm, PS5 slim 5nm or 3nm.

I just don't care about more power for a half step mid gen Pro model. Save that for PS6. For mid gen, just make it smaller, less expensive, and draw less power. Offer a sku w/ more storage.

A die shrink drops power consumption and makes less heat, less heat and less power drawn allows for smaller box. Cerny back in 2013 said the size of the PS4 was determined by the power supply and the amount of heat produced. So they will at least be able to make it a bit smaller, etc.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Look at any of the PS5 SSD threads.

What are you exactly against in those threads?

I honestly don't see an issue with creating a thread where the advantages of each system are discussed. Now if it's making up BS to make the other platform look bad that's something I have a problem with.

Im assuming it's the last part that you have an issue with correct?

 

[yewles1]

The worst thing is, a lot of Xboxers think PlayStation fans like me are happy about any of this. Not true at all. I was dying to have a reason to pick up a Series X. I wanted to see great, new, fresh games that used the powerful new hardware, that weren't available anywhere else. All I care about is playing the best games available - on whatever platform.

And what do we get from Microsoft?

No exclusive games AT ALL, and basic cable GamePass. Smh.

Now we see if GP outlives the SEGA Channel...

 

[sircaw]

I've seen both sides extremists go after each other. Not sure what there is to gain.

I'm sad for the state of things XBOX. it made my purchasing decisions easier where I'll wait until there are more 1st party next gen titles and at a time where it is on sale and in a bundle.

They need to make up ground and be somewhere close to their X360 days. That's good for them, and good for games in general.

For now, I'll happily buy a PlayStation and game with friend

I can be your friend.

Destruction Derby all-stars.

I got your back Honest.

 

[Nikana]

Day one sony came out with there new ssd tech, xbox fanboys piled all over that channel attacking it. I am sure you remember it. The amount of downplaying was simply ridiculous.

the fact is xbox people have been starting fires for the last few months on this forum, it's always sony people responding to them or trying to put them out.

And every Game Pass thread is filled with FUD like these wonderful additions.

At $1 each

Because there really isn't any money in it, not at the price points people are willing to pay... which isn't much. At the end of the day, all that is happening is moving sales to rentals, but people are not willing to basically fund the games off of rentals.

I've tried GP and while its cool and all, is it really that amazing that MS should put all their focus on it? Sure, it has 300 games on there but they are mostly older titles or games that kinda bombed. MS's day one exclusives are obviously the main draw here but its not like MS is known for their amazing exclusives either.

GP also has a major draw back when it comes to next gen gaming. We are at the dawn of a new console generation and everybody is expecting MS and Sony to blow us away with amazing next gen experiences, experiences that'll require next gen hardware. How is MS supposed to show us those games when 99% of the GP users are running potato spec pc's and the whole point of GP is to not exclude anyone?

Besides Indie games, there really isn't much on game pass for PC. It's pretty much devoid of multiplatform games and I wouldn't doubt it if Microsoft inevitably drops support altogether.

What's the appeal? There's better PC subscription services offered, and even epics free games have been higher quality than what's offered (for free).

And then you have closed threads like this one

Like I said, the extremism goes both ways. Anything positive the negativity feeds the trolls.

 

[sircaw]

And every Game Pass thread is filled with FUD like these wonderful additions.







And then you have closed threads like this one

Like I said, the extremism goes both ways. Anything positive the negativity feeds the trolls.

These are your examples of Fud.

oh boy.

 

[FunkMiller]

Now we see if GP outlives the SEGA Channel...

Ouch

I'd forgotten all about the SEGA channel. I don't think we even got it outside America. It got three or so years, didn't it?

 

[Nikana]

What are you exactly against in those threads?

I honestly don't see an issue with creating a thread where the advantages of each system are discussed. Now if it's making up BS to make the other platform look bad that's something I have a problem with.

Im assuming it's the last part that you have an issue with correct?

Who said anything about there being a problem where advantages are discussed? This is a conversation about how theres extremism on both sides of the war. Hop into any of the plethora of threads about the PS5 SSD and you see the extremest on both sides. The same way with any Game Pass thread.

 

[jimbojim]

And every Game Pass thread is filled with FUD like these wonderful additions.







And then you have closed threads like this one

Like I said, the extremism goes both ways. Anything positive the negativity feeds the trolls.

But Halo really looks like shit. And also, it was meant to be launched in pieces. Why 1$ post is FUD when GPU really is 1$ for one month. Also, putting on a FUD list post about what Jez Corden said about Xbox exclusives and blame that PS side. WTF are you doing?

 

[sircaw]

These are your examples of Fud.

oh boy.

Can you give me some ones that are about the Xbox specifically? ITs hardware for example.

 

[Nikana]

These are your examples of Fud.

oh boy.

Considering all of those are completely false...yeah...thats exactly what FUD is.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Who said anything about there being a problem where advantages are discussed? This is a conversation about how theres extremism on both sides of the war. Hop into any of the plethora of threads about the PS5 SSD and you see the extremest on both sides. The same way with any Game Pass thread.

Well there's extremism in every thread to be honest. I learned a lot from the threads here but I wish there wasn't as much FUD in them.

 

[Nikana]

Well there's extremism in every thread to be honest. I learned a lot from the threads here but I wish there wasn't as much FUD in them.

Thats my point. People here are trying to claim that somehow the Team Green FUD is on another level compared to Team Blue FUD.

 

[Aceofspades]

Richard is so fucking clueless it hurts, as per Cerny "For RDNA2, their goals (AMD) roughly speaking is reduce power consumption by re-architecting the GPU to put the data close to where it needed, to optimize Gpu for performance and add new more advanced feature set"

So it cannot be simply RDNA1 + RT, its not possible.

 

[yewles1]

Did you see the fud list that was spread about sony. do you see the constant bullshit that has been made up about sony on this forum over the last 4 months. It totally dwarfs what xbox has been through.

People get tired of being poked all the time, so it's very natural that they feel a little payback is justified.
Its natural for people wanting to to.

Revenge is a dish best served cold...

 

[jimbojim]

Considering all of those are completely false...yeah...thats exactly what FUD is.

Ok

Halo looks like shit - not false
GPU is 1$ monthly - not false
Jez Corden said that Xbox won't have exclusives like PS - maybe not false too, but you blame PS side for what Jez Corden said. I mean, WTF!?

 

[Nikana]

But Halo really looks like shit. And also, it was meant to be launched in pieces. Why 1$ post is FUD when GPU really is 1$ for one month

So because Halo Infinite was "rumored" to be looking at a tiered release instead of delaying the whole package it was not meant to be launched in pieces? Nah, doesn't work like that.

And a trial of GP is a $1. The service is not $1. Theres a free trial of PS Now as well. So I guess that means all their subscribers are just using the trial!

Edit: The Stoya quote wasn't supposed to be in there. No idea how that go there.

 

[jimbojim]

So because Halo Infinite was "rumored" to be looking at a tiered release instead of delaying the whole package it was not meant to be launched in pieces? Nah, doesn't work like that.

It wasn't rumored. Phil Spencer said it would be launched like that.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

There will of course be a PS5 slim, just like every PlayStation. PS1 slim, PS2 slim, PS3 slim, PS4 slim, its gonna happen.

And it will of course be waiting for a die shrink. PS4 was 28nm, PS4 slim was 16nm. PS5 7nm, PS5 slim 5nm or 3nm.

I just don't care about more power for a half step mid gen Pro model. Save that for PS6. For mid gen, just make it smaller, less expensive, and draw less power. Offer a sku w/ more storage.

A die shrink drops power consumption and makes less heat, less heat and less power drawn allows for smaller box. Cerny back in 2013 said the size of the PS4 was determined by the power supply and the amount of heat produced. So they will at least be able to make it a bit smaller, etc.

Yes exactly! 110% agreed.