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Shmunter said:
Just listened to the Unfiltered podcast. He said specifically Gamepass has variety and breadth, but people generally aren't interested in just some time killers, they want what gamepass doesn't have.
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He also specifically said that Xbox can't let Game Pass become like basic cable. He didn't actually say it currently is that. He just pointed out that gamers want big high quality games.
 
Neo Blaster said:
It's the new TV TV TV.
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Well if you think about it, it is indeed sort of like that - you sit down, you turn it off, you check what's currently available, you pick a title, and you play it, everything exactly like you do on TV. Or Netflix as a matter of popular reference. I think the service it really more suitable for people who do want to play games, casually so to speak, but don't really know what they want to play, they're not up to date with the news, release dates etc., and you need to put a bunch of titles in front of them, let them try them all, so they can decide which one(s) they really want to dig into. While people who are tracking all the news and do know they want to play a particular title on day one will buy it on day one for 60$, even preorder it months before launch, the same way people go to cinemas when they are really hyped for a particular movie.
 
Hi guys,

Been lurking around here for quite some time ( I think from page 600 or so) following all the major events within this thread.

But to get back on topic, I think Gamepass has an identity crysis, MS doesnt know what it wants with it, from a gaming perspective it sounds good (get a lot of games for a monthly fee) but from, a business standpoint it doesnt make much sense.

Like it was said here before, in order for GP to have good titles and triple A experiences it needs a gigantic install base to offset the development costs for such games. In my opinion GP should be more like an entry level option, basically you get 1-2 even 3 year old games for a good monthly price, the new releases should just be full priced games and that's that. If your content is good people will pay for it
 
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Somehow I think some people forget that we already have 3 different subscription tiers of Gamepass with
Xbox, PC and Ultimate (incl. Both, Gold and starting in September with XCloud)
Depending on how they will handle the "Add On" subscriptions, it could get interesting.
At the moment we already get all first party games at launch und even some third party games, too.
Adding more games on release could become a nice deal, if the content matches the prices.
TBH I am already at the level, where I already can't keep up with the games I want to play and still buy games additionally to Gamepass, which makes it much worse...

If any of this gets more (good qualitiy) games released, then I probably in favor for it
 
Game Pass is amazing value for most customers. If you always want to play new releases on Day1, it's probably not for you, but for the vast majority of casual gamers out there it's the best deal in gaming.
 
TBiddy said:
Game Pass is amazing value for most customers. If you always want to play new releases on Day1, it's probably not for you, but for the vast majority of casual gamers out there it's the best deal in gaming.
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If i wouls be still a kid i would love gamepass.
Right now when time is the issue, not the money i dont give a fuck about that.
I want quality, and sony gives me that .
MS not so much.

When youre all grown ups with mlney without time you'll understand.
 
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GianEnemyCrab said:
Hi guys,

Been lurking around here for quite some time ( I think from page 600 or so) following all the major events within this thread.

But to get back on topic, I think Gamepass has an identity crysis, MS doesnt know what it wants with it, from a gaming perspective it sounds good (get a lot of games for a monthly fee) but from, a business standpoint it doesnt make much sense.

Like it was said here before, in order for GP to have good titles and triple A experiences it needs a gigantic install base to offset the development costs for such games. In my opinion GP should be more like an entry level option, basically you get 1-2 even 3 year old games for a good monthly price, the new releases should just be full priced games and that's that. If your content is good people will pay for it
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It's not for me, I struggle to see how anyone working full time can see value in having access to 20 games a month they don't even necessarily want to play. I get about 45 mins a night, sometimes no time at all, to game. So I want to spend that time with one quality game of my choosing. Once every 3-5 months I buy another title, sometimes more frequently, sometimes less.

So yeah, there is honestly zero interest into adding another monthly sub bill to my already taxing Netflix, NowTV, Shudder etc subs when there is neither the time or even interest to play a bunch of games not of my choosing.
 
I wonder what Sony are going to offer for PS Now on PS5. At this moment, we know absolutely nothing. Are there going to be any PS5 titles to play at launch? Or is it just PS3/PS4 for 6-12 months?
 
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GamePass will seem more compelling in a few years when MS first party studios get going. Then you'll have big budget first party titles for not much money.

Currently though what big third party partners are onboard with GamePass and how many of them release their games on GamePass within 1 year of release? Also, am I understanding right in saying that games regularly drop out of GamePass and so the library of games doesn't constantly grow? There is benefit where you can play a lot of older, or smaller scale titles for cheap but if you are someone who enjoys the new, fresh big titles then why would GamePass be an attractive service to you?
 
DrDamn said:
I stand corrected. Interesting, because that's not what the PS button looks like on the DualSense 😕
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Well technically or in one sense it looks exactly like that (the literal "PS" symbol without the white circular background) and in another sense, it does not lol.
 
BlueXImpulse said:
There is benefit where you can play a lot of older, or smaller scale titles for cheap but if you are someone who enjoys the new, fresh big titles then why would GamePass be an attractive service to you?
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As I wrote earlier - if you're the kind of gamer that prefers to play major 3rd party releases at launch, GamePass doesn't make much sense. For many others, it's great value.
 
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TBiddy said:
Game Pass is amazing value for most customers. If you always want to play new releases on Day1, it's probably not for you, but for the vast majority of casual gamers out there it's the best deal in gaming.
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zaitsu said:
If i wouls be still a kid i would love gamepass.
Right now when time is the issue, not the money i dont give a fuck about that.
I want quality, and sony gives me that .
MS not so much.

When youre all grown ups with mlney without time you'll understand.
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One other aspect not often discussed that is mutually exclusive to gamepass is The Backlog. How many actually already have a collection of desirable games that is longer than the free time they have to go through it. How many of those have a burning interest?
 
TBiddy said:
As I wrote earlier - if you're the kind of gamer that prefers to play major 3rd party releases at launch, GamePass doesn't make much sense. For many others, it's great value.
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I thought Xbox gamers believe most people play 3rd party games anyway.
So who are the many are you talking about? Who is it for?
 
Shmunter said:
One other aspect not often discussed that is mutually exclusive to gamepass is The Backlog. How many actually already have a collection of desirable games that is longer than the free time they have to go through it. How many of those have a burning interest?
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This is Gaf. We talk about games. We don't play them. We all have a ridiculous backlog.

Alex Scott said:
I thought Xbox gamers believe most people play 3rd party games anyway.
So who are the many are you talking about? Who is it for?
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The casuals, who don't care if they can play Fallout 76 at launch or later. Or RDR2 at launch, or later. Games usually don't get worse over time, so if you can wait, GamePass is for you. If you can't, then it's probably not for you. Or if you like to experience new (and 'smaller' games) without necessarily paying full price for them. There are many good reasons to join GamePass. There are also many good reasons not to, and I don't see how that is controversial.
 
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TBiddy said:
As I wrote earlier - if you're the kind of gamer that prefers to play major 3rd party releases at launch, GamePass doesn't make much sense. For many others, it's great value.
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I think this may work well with millennials. I still have that old school, semi-OCD urge to own stuff. Digital or physical. Even if I have a massive backlog of games , with no chance of playing them any time soon. I just like that feeling that they are there. :)
 
TBiddy said:
As I wrote earlier - if you're the kind of gamer that prefers to play major 3rd party releases at launch, GamePass doesn't make much sense. For many others, it's great value.
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But isn't that most gamers? Your Call of Duty's, NBA's and Madden's are the games that the vast majority of people want to play and new titles are released yearly or every two years, leaving recent titles out of the reach of GamePass potentially. I think the amount of gamers who want to play the older titles are far in between. As a complimentary service it works fine, but if it's meant to be the bread and butter of Xbox gaming as it's being marketed I think it's lacking.

Game Pass Ultimate is a fair package as you get online with it, so you're only paying a little bit more than you usually would anyway and you get good deals on quite a few games. Because of these deficiencies in third party support though I can't see it as a true money saving option for your everyday casual because the kind of games that tend to be available from what I've seen don't really capture the needs of that market, they will still spend outside of GamePass to fulfill their needs.

I do see its benefit as providing value as an extra though, but since it's what they are primarily pushing, it needs to be more compelling in my opinion.
 
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Coulomb_Barrier said:
It's not for me, I struggle to see how anyone working full time can see value in having access to 20 games a month they don't even necessarily want to play. I get about 45 mins a night, sometimes no time at all, to game. So I want to spend that time with one quality game of my choosing. Once every 3-5 months I buy another title, sometimes more frequently, sometimes less.

So yeah, there is honestly zero interest into adding another monthly sub bill to my already taxing Netflix, NowTV, Shudder etc subs when there is neither the time or even interest to play a bunch of games not of my choosing.
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this is very much how I roll.

My year's setup is something like this, i buy the one year's subscription to PlayStation around November time when its on sale for the "free games", then I basically pick up games on sale, i am talking dead cheap here.

I will splash out once in a blue moon for a game i really really want. ( sounds like a spice girls song when i say it like that.

My guess is, if lucky i spend 100 bucks a year and unlike gamepass, i own most of the games i play.

People might find it great value, but i don't, paying for something that i don't own is very worrisome to me.

I am still working my way through uncharted 4 after two months of play. World's slowest gamer. I am old things take time to do now.
 
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zaitsu said:
If i wouls be still a kid i would love gamepass.
Right now when time is the issue, not the money i dont give a fuck about that.
I want quality, and sony gives me that .
MS not so much.

When youre all grown ups with mlney without time you'll understand.
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Ah yes, because when you barely have any time you buy each exclusive first party game day one, so you just have them in your library but no time to play them... When you have no time, Game Pass makes the most sense actually.
 
BlueXImpulse said:
But isn't that most gamers? Your Call of Duty's, NBA's and Madden's are the games that the vast majority of people want to play and new titles are released yearly or every two years, leaving recent titles out of the reach of GamePass potentially. I think the amount of gamers who want to play the older titles are far in between. As a complimentary service it works fine, but if it's meant to be the bread and butter of Xbox gaming as it's being marketed I think it's lacking.
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That's a fair point. If you only play those games, GamePass isn't for you. Some people will be fine only subscribing to GamePass, but I think most will use it as a complementary service (as you say) and buy the large blockbusters (FIFA, COD etc.) outright and then use GamePass to experience a vast array of other games (Although NBA2K20 is on game pass).
 
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Shmunter said:
Hmm, thinking more about it.....

You subscribe for e.g. 3 years, you get the box free. Would also align with Phill not caring about selling consoles. Possible?
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They already have Xbox All Access. You basically can get an Xbox for 50% off right now, paid over 2 years.
 
Coulomb_Barrier said:
It's not for me, I struggle to see how anyone working full time can see value in having access to 20 games a month they don't even necessarily want to play. I get about 45 mins a night, sometimes no time at all, to game. So I want to spend that time with one quality game of my choosing. Once every 3-5 months I buy another title, sometimes more frequently, sometimes less.

So yeah, there is honestly zero interest into adding another monthly sub bill to my already taxing Netflix, NowTV, Shudder etc subs when there is neither the time or even interest to play a bunch of games not of my choosing.
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This is exactly what I mean. While globally the value of GP cannot be denied (get a lot of games for a fixed amount every month) the problem I see is in the retention precentage.

Specifically, you have 20 games on GP, 5-6 of them are fully fledged triple A's. Once you finish those games your kinda left cold, unless you love indies and platformers. And yes you could say that MS rotates the content, but because of the costs associated of putting "big" games on GP it doesnt do it that often to keep interest high.

What I have noticed within my friend circle regarding game pass was that, if a big title was on there people would make 1-2 month subscription, play the game than cancel the sub.

But then again I aint no expert, just an armchair opinion, I really hope for the sake of healthy competition that MS suceeds with their aproach and prove me wrong :)
 
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I recently thought about game pass and if it makes sense for me.

I always buy games like forza horizon, forza motorsport each year and gears of war and halo when they're out. I also pay for xbox live and I may every now and then pick up an xbox exclusive also obviously rare the last few years.

With just those games and the price of xbox live to have game pass isn't much more each month. I think I worked it out as a £3 more when u divide the cost if the games I spend each year.

It can make sense.
 
Game Pass wants to be like Netflix. Netflix is mostly used by people to rewatch Friends or The Office etc. Big mainstream shows or movies. Their original shows are supplemental. Casual mass market gravitates to big known IPs.

Game Pass will need to pay up to get the Friends or Office of gaming, which are Fortnite (free, nope) or Call of Duty (sorta free now), or the big sports games. Issue is for sports & COD the games are annual, so unlike The Office, which is frozen and evergreen, each yearly game falls off in allure quickly.

Games and TV are asymmetrical in some ways, and TV has no free to play, so it looks to be a much harder business model to apply to mass market casual gamers. They play 3-4 hours a week of COD or FIFA, so throwing 50-100 games at them won't work.
 
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X-Fighter said:
Ah yes, because when you barely have any time you buy each exclusive first party game day one, so you just have them in your library but no time to play them... When you have no time, Game Pass makes the most sense actually.
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You have returned. :messenger_heart:
 
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kyliethicc said:
Game Pass wants to be like Netflix. Netflix is mostly used by people to rewatch Friends or The Office etc. Big mainstream shows or movies. Their original shows are supplemental.

Game Pass will need to pay up to get the Friends or Office of gaming, which are Fortnite (free, nope) or Call of Duty (sorta free now), or the big sports games. Issue is for sports & COD the games are annual, so unlike The Office, which is frozen and evergreen, each yearly game falls off in allure quickly.

Games and TV are asymmetrical in some ways, and TV has no free to play, so it looks to be a much harder business model to apply to mass market casual gamers. They play 3-4 hours a week of COD or FIFA, so throwing 50-100 games at them won't work.
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That's an interesting point you raised there the fact that games evolves and people like to play franchises and not certain opus.That's why there can't really be a netflix of video games.Simply because you may want to rewatch a classic show on Netflix but you want to play newer games on console.
Probably because they will look better or smoother and except for a few games that you'd play for nostalgia a Netflix like service would not really work for video games or it would need a really fast turnover that may be a solution.

I always though that a gamepasse like service, free but containing only demo would probably work more and help generate more money for whom may introduce it.
It helps the consumer knowing if they want to buy said games or not, can try in small sessions, and if the game is great they will buy it like the first free drug use that get you addicted.
 
Shmunter said:
Switch Pro speculation? I appreciate the effort, but at the cusp of a next gen, the topic seems to miss the mark. Great ensemble , but is there anything about PS5/XsX? Otherwise not sure who this is for at a time like this.
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With Matt Hargett as a guest there are probably some good nuggets within, who knows 👌.
 
i'd give game pass more time to evolve. so far it hasnt sold everyone yet but if microsoft can pump out some goddamn exclusives with game pass, then they can have my money. but like zaitsu zaitsu said "I want quality, and sony gives me that. MS not so much." i only see 2 or 3 games out of the list that i can see myself playing but its not worth to pay monthly because i could just buy those games on the store. it will be a slow process but eventually there will be a reason to buy a next gen xbox, its because they will have games. the studios that they have already acquired hold high expectations for the future...and to bring ALL of those exclusives to game pass would be a big W for MS.
 
kittoo said:
Might not be the worst of ideas actually, I think. That way Gamepass can get really AAA games from many publishers day 1 and get good return also. Like if you want EA games, get a EA pack over and above with $5-10 a month. Get an activision pack, Ubi pack etc. This way gamepass will have a great library and lets be honest, at $5 a month we wont have had day 1 AAA games. We would also be able to customize and keep our costs minimal. Add in xcloud stream anywhere and I believe it might be a compelling model- especially for people who are in multiplayer games.
And I am a person who plays only singleplayer games and thats why Sony is my main jam. But as long as there is a compelling collection and I can try out different games at reasonable cost, this can be my secondary gaming subscription service. Not a bad idea at all. I just hope that it doesnt kill single player AAA games further.
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Except none of these publishers are interested in day and date releases on the service. Just take a look at EA Access, at most it will offer early access and discounts for new games.
 
Neo Blaster said:
Except none of these publishers are interested in day and date releases on the service. Just take a look at EA Access, at most it will offer early access and discounts for new games.
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Well EA does have EA Play Pro for $100/year, which I think gets you all their games on day 1, plus other stuff.
 
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