IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm not talking about the crazy sections where you fly through a bunch of worlds.
I'm not talking about the 7-9 second thing really.
Just the basics of going through a portal.
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I'm not talking about the 7-9 second thing really.
Just the basics of going through a portal.
Entroyp
Member
True, fuck the teasing we want to preorder the damn thing already.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Is it seriously not enough for Xbox gamers that their console is more powerful than PS5? You have to detract from PS5's I/O too?
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kyliethicc
Member
Oh its such a cluster fuck. LG TVs no longer support DTS, Samsung started their own HDR10+ standard to fight with Dolby Vision, but then theres just HRD10 and even the HLG standards, theres regular VRR, Fressync, and Gsync, HDMI 2.1 ports can be different max bandwidths, some TVs support eARC but others only ARC, some will add those features later with updates.
Its a mess to get a good TV that has the A/V features for next-gen consoles.
Lethal01
Member
Nah, it's a decent theory but it's very easy to believes the developers simply don't unload the lighting during the load in order to make the transition look how they want. They may simply choose to have both lighting setups loaded at all times and transition between them in a way that's pleasing. In addition they could use a small video to make the level appear loaded before you exit the portal as they did in the reveal.
Not saying your demonstrably wrong but saying that it could very likely be something done for art sake rather than being a proper indicator of how the data is actually being handled.
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jasondefaoite
Member
Time for a Guinness!
Moridianae
Member
Behold next-gen!
"But Sony/MS, it's two months to launch. We're excited!! But..How much will it cost? What games will be available? What's the UI look like? How much BC does it have?"
Sony/MS:
"But Sony/MS, it's two months to launch. We're excited!! But..How much will it cost? What games will be available? What's the UI look like? How much BC does it have?"
Sony/MS:
ethomaz
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BattleScar
Member
The only time I hated dying in Demon's Souls was during the loading screens. They were the only thing that made me want to stop playing the game.
If I popped right back in, it would feel so much better.
I'm not exactly a fan of this stupid pre-ordering waiting list, but I suppose its a better alternative than going gung-ho and opening up pre-orders whole sale, only to have a bunch of stock gobbled up by scalpers, to be then put up on ebay for $1000, because of the limited supply.
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jose4gg
Member
This is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
Thank You!
ethomaz
Banned
The level starts to show before you get out of the "tunnel"... so you are right the level is somehow already loaded into memory way before the 2s transition.This is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
How much of the level is loaded? I don't know and it doesn't matter at all... it won't make any difference for gamers if it is 20% or 100%.
The duplicated frame is probably frame pace or frame rate issues.
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
Well according to these lads it's going to be using GPU cycles.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
@sircaw Well, expand the list. Now PS5 is 7 TF console He's become a parody of himself
So its potentially going to reduce available TF. I mean they are still very high but at least on consoles and PS5 in particular io is just completely offloaded.
This may be completely wrong btw but..... if someone can provide the accurate numbers we can approximate the cpu tf better....
I read ps4 cpu was 100 gigaflops.
Wasn't zen 2 meant to be 4-8 times more powerful or efficient?
So going with 8 times more powerful we have aprox 800 gigaflops for a zen 2 cpu? Seems low but (shrugs).
It takes 9 zen 2 cores to decompress the kraken stream, now was that at 8-9gb or at potential max 22gb.
Either way if nvidia is more then it may be aprox 12 zen 2 cores which would be maybe 1.2 TF.
(If cerny meant for the 22gbs then the figure for nvidia may be less...)
So if this was even close to accurate then it might shave 1.2 tf of available compute off.
Not earth shattering but enough to close the gap slightly.
Also what about geometry engine etc that will save vast? amounts of cycles not drawing unnecessary things.
Again someone please correct numbers if not accurate, just trying to get an idea....
travisktl
Member
No kidding. I did probably about 3 weeks of solid research into what TV I should get before picking up my C9. I spent a few hours each day researching different brands, models, watching youtube reviews, looking up comparisons online, looked at forums....it's crazy. Some TV's say they are 120hz, but then you look it up and it's not true 120hz. The C9 ticked every box for me to handle next gen, and I still think it's probably the best bang-for-your-buck TV on the market right now.
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah its great, unless you like DTS surround sound. And apparently it can do 40-120 Hz VRR but I had read it could only fo 40-60 Hz VRR.
All of it is a lot to try to read and decide on.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I was wondering who you were replying to, clicked the show ignored content and was absolutely not surprised.Don't bother with him He probably is the perfect user for the ignore function.He will insult you, not answer your argument, then ask proof.Only to dismiss them I argued a bit with him and even people that were more interested in Xbox were with me, that's telling.No I travel with common sense and no FUD... different from some sides here.
There's not a lot of people in my ignore list but he definitely is the worst offender among them.Because to him he never does any wrong or his "side" is the poor little victim of opression.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
This is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
Tripolygon
Banned
Thanks for reading.
I still can't believe we are going into a gen where levels load in under 2 seconds.
travisktl
Member
Yeah. It has HDMI 2.1 ports, and can support up to 4K 120hz on all of them.
I have a Nakamichi 7.1.4 Atmos setup, and I have no issues whatsoever with it so far! I haven't had a single issue with the tv yet.
ethomaz
Banned
We are starting to back to roots (where there is no load times definition on consoles) and that is awesome.
BTW congrats... you did a great job (I know it is a bit time consuming to do these editing frame by frame).
Lunatic_Gamer
Member
DeadOblivion78
Banned
That is such a waste of battery life.
geordiemp
Member
This is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
Great analysis, just to be fair to both consoles , could you work out how many frames it takes to blend in the trees in halo infinite after the menu......
Loading a static tree LOD. I timestamped it for you.
CrysisFreak
Banned
But it needs to have the GAMER ILLUMINATION
Nowcry
Member
Well according to these lads it's going to be using GPU cycles.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
@sircaw Well, expand the list. Now PS5 is 7 TF console He's become a parody of himselfwww.neogaf.com
So its potentially going to reduce available TF. I mean they are still very high but at least on consoles and PS5 in particular io is just completely offloaded.
This may be completely wrong btw but..... if someone can provide the accurate numbers we can approximate the cpu tf better....
I read ps4 cpu was 100 gigaflops.
Wasn't zen 2 meant to be 4-8 times more powerful or efficient?
So going with 8 times more powerful we have aprox 800 gigaflops for a zen 2 cpu? Seems low but (shrugs).
It takes 9 zen 2 cores to decompress the kraken stream, now was that at 8-9gb or at potential max 22gb.
Either way if nvidia is more then it may be aprox 12 zen 2 cores which would be maybe 1.2 TF.
(If cerny meant for the 22gbs then the figure for nvidia may be less...)
So if this was even close to accurate then it might shave 1.2 tf of available compute off.
Not earth shattering but enough to close the gap slightly.
Also what about geometry engine etc that will save vast? amounts of cycles not drawing unnecessary things.
Again someone please correct numbers if not accurate, just trying to get an idea....
It is a bit risky to think that they are only using shaders for decompression, they could be using AI matrices for decompression or shader cycles + tensor cycles.
We need an official confirmation to think what the shaders do. In any case they could use an ACE to decompress in the timeouts that are surely everywhere due to open hardware and the great parallelization.
However counting 1TF power decompression cost in reality, RTX 3XXX is far above anything known. They could spend up to 3 TFLops and triple the bandwidth and still the computing power of shaders would remain overwhelming.
But thank you very much for the information.
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Tripolygon
Banned
Oh god, I made several mistakes and had to restart like 3 times. I almost said fuck it and gave up but seeing all the reaction makes the times spent on it worth it.
Oh yea and good call on the frame pacing/framerate issue. I didn't even think of that. I thought the duplicate frames was either from compression or the software i used.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I believe it's fake. The PS5 logo is perfectly aligned to the photo's XY axis, but misaligned to the actual box by about 1 degree, with no perspective correction (see alignment to right edge)
Plus, somehow the black ink in the Dualsense (in the light) is somehow darker than the black in in the logo (in the shadow)
You're fucking genius!
jimbojim
Banned
Addressing a subject? Dude, i've told you about two weeks ago that triggers on X1 gamepad doesn't have resistance like on DS, you put me on ignore. You really have some problems.
Nickolaidas
Banned
I understand this:
For all your talk about wanting to be subjective and hating 'console racism', I just need to say that I don't remember you saying a single good thing about the PS5, and I don't remember you saying a single bad thing about the XSX. Whether that is true or not doesn't really matter because that's the image you're trying so hard to create. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here.
So for someone claiming to be against 'console racism', you ... sound pretty console racist-y yourself. You remind me of those bad jokes "I'm not racist! It's not MY fault they're black!!".
Your posts annoy me. And to be frank, they annoy me more than VFX Veteran's posts. And that's no small feat.
So I'm going to give you the treatment you've been giving others. I think you've more than earned it.
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
Man, appreciate the effort, but that was way too much work to pull out for basically not changing anyone's mindThis is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
geordiemp
Member
I have shark on ignore, its funny watching every poster argue with a blank nobody (I assujme its still shark)
Its not him, its everyone else
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I will address this only briefly (because of the overall extended denial and anger this subject causes), but I am not agreeing with you here at all.This is where you should have stopped counting as that is when the level has loaded and ratchet is in it.
In reality, i can almost say with 95% certainty that the world had already loaded completely in less than 2 seconds even before Ratchet entered into it.
Lets get technical.
The video is 29.97fps or 30fps
I grabbed about 256 frames ~ 8 seconds of footage from where i believe the loading started. I think so because it is where you still see some remnants of the currently level before he transitions into the wormhole or whatever it is called in the game.
From there when he fully enters the wormhole is where i start counting as the loading segment.
30 frames = 1 second
Video
How developers choose to do their transition is not representative of capability of the system. And of course not all game engines work the same in terms of their streaming system. That is why;
Ghost of Tsushima fast travel in 7 seconds
Horizon Zero Dawn fast travel in 40 seconds
I have also noticed the change of coloring/texturing while ratchet falls down the various holes.
I would never though take that as the end of the loading sequence :]
To give a very brief example, its like saying that the second -or the frame, to talk in your way of counting things- Shepard enters the elevator in mass effect, the entire level he's going to has already loaded,
but then you spend a minute or two so that you just can marvel the character model, chit-chat with the other characters, or that you may listen to what the radio will say in order to advance bits of the story.
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Nickolaidas
Banned
Mods vouch for him. He was also I think the only insider some months back that even though a PS fan, was telling us that the XSX was slightly more powerful, when other PS 'insiders' were touting the 13.5 TFs bullshit.am i allowed to ask whatsHeisenbergFX4 cred? i always see people asking him for insight, but so far havent seen anything he has "revealed"
not meant as anything other than wondering where he got the reputation from
Tripolygon
Banned
Just this comment makes it worth it. LolMan, appreciate the effort, but that was way too much work to pull out for basically not changing anyone's mind
I don't do it for those who's minds are already made up, i do it for those with open minds who find it interesting like you for example.
Nickolaidas
Banned
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JonnyMP3
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I've basically done a bit of aI have shark on ignore, its funny watching every poster argue with a blank nobody (I assujme its still shark)
Its not him, its everyone else
HeisenbergFX4
and kept out of this thread for a while. The lack of real news and info has just made pages and pages worth of guff recently.
geordiemp
Member
I've basically done a bit of a
welcome back, only news is 3000 series and lots of poor concern that you did not miss.
Its heating up though
Vae_Victis
Banned
Why is everybody letting a single troll baiter / lost cause of a fanboy drag the entire conversation to shit for days?
This is VFX 2.0: he's hell-bent to be never admit that he could possibly be ever wrong on anything, he'll just clutch at straws forever with more and more ridiculous and insincere arguments until either you tell him he's right, you give up talking back or we collectively reach the heat death of the universe (which could still come earlier than next-gen prices, BTW). He's not going to tell you you're right, and he's not going to acknowledge that you might have a point and change his tune accordingly in the future.
It's not your first day on the internet, is it? Stop feeding the fucking troll. Unless you have a fetish for wasting your time and effort, can't you please just ignore him already (literally or in practice) so that there is a chance the discussion moves on to anything of actual substance?
This is VFX 2.0: he's hell-bent to be never admit that he could possibly be ever wrong on anything, he'll just clutch at straws forever with more and more ridiculous and insincere arguments until either you tell him he's right, you give up talking back or we collectively reach the heat death of the universe (which could still come earlier than next-gen prices, BTW). He's not going to tell you you're right, and he's not going to acknowledge that you might have a point and change his tune accordingly in the future.
It's not your first day on the internet, is it? Stop feeding the fucking troll. Unless you have a fetish for wasting your time and effort, can't you please just ignore him already (literally or in practice) so that there is a chance the discussion moves on to anything of actual substance?
kyliethicc
Member
So Richard from Digital Foundry thinks the new RTX 3070 pricing announcement makes buying an XSX somewhat pointless. But he thinks the PS5 will be in a class of its own due to its exclusives.
I have to agree with him.
I have to agree with him.
sircaw
Banned
SSfox
Member
They didn't just mentioned Demon Souls, they mentioned it first, PS account handler have taste!!
Dodkrake
Banned
The lighting doesn't simply change, the transition is quite jarring and seems like it skips a frame. This is what makes me believe that that point in time is when the new level, so to speak, is actually being loaded.
JonnyMP3
Member
Yeah I see now the PCMR party has started trumpeting stuff around about TFlops and I/O. And how they'll get all the games as well because Sony want the PC sales. And bits about 30fps, 60fps, 120fps and 144mhz. 4K Native or Checkboarding, Temporal Injection, DLSS because of the visual upgrades to Ratchet and Clank.
Then the definition of Ray Tracing, whether it's full on Path Tracing or if it still includes other GI tricks. Sound engines and audio chips capable of HRTF or not.
Haptics and Tempest will create immersion...
It's still all a bunch of absolute nothing currently in regards to the PS5 or XSX. So saving my energy for something more substantial than knowing that PC was hindered by I/O even with SSDs and that it's the next step in PC evolution, fueled by console development, to optimise data transfer.
Mahavastu
Member
I doubt it works this way. The problem is that the XSS uses the same CPU as the XSX, which means that an XSX SoC would not have enough CPU cores to virtualize 3 XSS Cpus...
As we know, one XSX SoC can emulate 4 XBox One S, because its CPU is so much weaker and it seems 2 Zen2 cores are enough to do the work of 8 Jaguar cores.
OTOH it should be possible to manufacture SoCs with 3x the CPU power (the CPU does not take that much die) to do what you intended.
sircaw
Banned
While we wait for any information tonight i dedicate this to
TheGreatWhiteShark
cos this is where you are surely going.
Can anyone find me a better tune for a game, if so link away?
TheGreatWhiteShark
cos this is where you are surely going. Can anyone find me a better tune for a game, if so link away?
JonnyMP3
Member
sircaw
Banned
SSfox
Member
I don't totally agree with this, the price is just GPU, you'll also need a CPU, SSD, Ram, PAD then call it a day, so XSX will beat RTX in terms of price super easy. And this considering someone is interested on playing PC, which not everyone is, some people prefer a console over PC for many reasons.
Personally speaking, i've no desire to buy XSX and it won't change since MS doesn't seem to care about gaming, that being said and yet if i choose between RTX or XSX, it's XSX without the doubt.
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JonnyMP3
Member
According to the gif link, it is.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
While we wait for any information tonight i dedicate this to
Can anyone find me a better tune for a game, if so link away?
Hell is only one of my bitches, little fishy, not a destination
So guess again
Dave_at_Home
Member
Every day I come home from work and have to read yet another fucking post about Ratchet and Clank loading times. I'm gonna fucking lose it.
Any more talk of this and you're grounded. All of you. I don't care if you're not involved.
Someone give me juicy info on PS5 geometry engine or some shit.
Any more talk of this and you're grounded. All of you. I don't care if you're not involved.
Someone give me juicy info on PS5 geometry engine or some shit.
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