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[Metroiddarks]

this is why every game on the ps4 and x1x shouldve had dynamic resolution and uncapped framerates.

the ps5 and xsx can easily do 1080p 120 fps for these games without the need for patches.

Doesn't work like that is a little more complex.

Glad he acknowledged this point even if in a new tweet.

Even I belive the XSX will quite use BC titles to test it is funny any of those will use the hardware close to 100%
of its capabilities.


BTW please Xbox show me gameplay next gent I know this sounds strange but you know your console will be release in 5 weeks for God sake!

 

[Nickolaidas]

Alright, so this is an example of bad journalism. Ryan McCaffrey says cold boot for xsx is 10-12 seconds. Well, the video he posted does not support that. its actually 20 seconds for the cold boot.

Timestamped: 1:46 to 2:06. is my math bad or does this not add up to 10-12 seconds?


Of course this got a thread on era with the title saying that IGN reported that cold boot is 10-12 seconds.

I think he starts counting the boot from the moment he sees the logo ... what a moron.

Cold boots are not just about SSD speed. The hardware does an initializing check of hardware components, and that is usually what slows the boot time.

Anyway, who cold boots? 99% of the time, I'm booting from sleep on my PS4 Pro.

Dude, my PC takes 12 seconds to cold boot, and it's quite possibly less powerful than the XSX.

 

[Sinthor]

If they wrote this stuff on their website or said it in official statements, isn't this false advertisement territory?

If the 500 figure is real, that's not many, since it also includes og and 360. There were more than 600 of those alone that could be played on the One, so it's anybody's guess how the ratio would even be.

Well, to be fair, I don't think they could have everything tested by launch. Also, their language was that you could play 'four generations of games' as far as I recall. I don't remember them certifying that all or 99% or any specific number would work. So as long as there's at least ONE game from each generation that works (which, obviously there will be more), their statement isn't false.

 

[MarkMe2525]

What have I missed? Aren't all Xbox One games compatible day one? I thought it was native.

Yes, MS is rotating available games for them to preview if I'm reading it right.

 

[Nikana]

So the Very symble MS used for marketing purppose no longer existe and the lack of it in reality is now the great excuse for disappointing load times?

I thought everything was optimized for Xbox?

You thought wrong.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Me while he plays old game instead of new ones.

 

[SlimySnake]

Well, I'm reserving any judgement for now, because this could just be part of their overall marketing strategy.

It's a terrible marketing strategy in my book, but then Sony haven't exactly set the world alight either.

However, no footage whatsoever of new games running on a console out in six weeks is incredibly foolish, and not exactly confidence inspiring.

I'm hoping they have a massive dump of new gameplay coming shortly. They certainly should have.

I think getting this into the hands of youtubers has been great marketing. everyone is gushing over the console's new features.

TBH, i wish sony did this too.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Which is not the end of the world. Since with the XSX you can have 4 games running simultaneously, and switching takes 4-5sec, does it really matter?

First of all, I don't game like that. I usually boot one game, play half an hour or just one hour, turn the console off and do something else. The switching isn't something I'll really use.

Second, no it's not the end of the world, but it *is* disappointing. It's going to be funny to see Bloodborne taking 10 seconds to load while Demon's Souls will boot in like, 3 seconds.

 

[gamechanger87]

because Microsoft said as much back in May.

Xbox Series X: The Most Powerful and Compatible Next-Gen Console with Thousands of Games at Launch - Xbox Wire

[Update 9/14/20: We’re happy to share that backward compatible titles will be coming to Xbox Series S as well as Xbox Series X. To deliver the highest quality backwards compatible experience consistent with the developer’s original intent, the Xbox Series S runs the Xbox One S version of...

news.xbox.com

I think this is a mistake. The engadget writer is using the 500 number which MS themselves used for OG xbox BC.

X1 games should just work without needing any testing or patches. GCN has BC with RDNA.

I assume that the reason for restricting the list is due to the fact that these consoles have not "officially launched", thus they aren't supposed to be accessing any of these files unless whitelisted.

Some of you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill because unreleased hardware isn't whitelisted to access all game files.

 

[T-Cake]

First of all, I don't game like that. I usually boot one game, play half an hour or just one hour, turn the console off and do something else. The switching isn't something I'll really use.

This is hilarious. You don't game like that NOW but I'm willing to bet when you've had the console for a while, you WILL use Quick Resume.

 

[Kerlurk]

Dude, my PC takes 12 seconds to cold boot, and it's quite possibly less powerful than the XSX.

Hey Bro, two different systems. It possible that XSX is also doing some online services checking before presenting the desktop, which is far more busy than the windows desktop.

Anyway who cold boots their consoles???

It would be far more appropriate if they showed how long to boot from sleep.

 

[Mr Moose]

Which is not the end of the world. Since with the XSX you can have 4 games running simultaneously, and switching takes 4-5sec, does it really matter?

*Me, with my discs*
Fuck the all digital future

 

[SlimySnake]

Doesn't work like that is a little more complex.

nah it should. thats what Cerny was talking about when he said the boost mode will have access to both the gpu and cpu clocks. thats how sekiro is 60 fps on x1x because while they locked the resolution, they didnt lock the framerate at 30 fps. which means it can go to 60 fps.

the 2080 can run pretty much everything at 120 fps at 1440p max settings. flight sim and other next gen games are a different story, but if these pro and x1x patches had a 1080p mode with unlocked framerate, you would easily see framerates go upto 120 fps.

 

[MarkMe2525]

So the Very symble MS used for marketing purppose no longer existe and the lack of it in reality is now the great excuse for disappointing load times?

I thought everything was optimized for Xbox?

I think you're misunderstanding, that symbol isn't going on every game. Just the ones that are optimized for the new architecture. That's why your thread was closed.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

This is hilarious. You don't game like that NOW but I'm willing to bet when you've had the console for a while, you WILL use Quick Resume.

Quick Resume is an amazing feature, no question about It.

 

[Codexer]

 

[Dodkrake]

Seems more and more like the series X is just a current gen console on steroids. What a fiasco. Everything that the discord camp pointed at the PS5 is right now being shown on the Series X.

 

[Vae_Victis]

So the Very symble MS used for marketing purppose no longer existe and the lack of it in reality is now the great excuse for disappointing load times?

I thought everything was optimized for Xbox?

That symbol is* Microsoft's convoluted way of saying that the game actually has a released Series X version, and won't only run through backwards compatibility of the Xbox One code.

EDIT: *was, actually

 

[Doncabesa]

So the Very symble MS used for marketing purppose no longer existe and the lack of it in reality is now the great excuse for disappointing load times?

I thought everything was optimized for Xbox?

They don't use that badge because it was deemed too big (it was) but they still have a variation of it. Like at https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/assassins-creed-valhalla

 

[CrysisFreak]

Wait what One X is over a minute to cold boot? Jeez.
In any case I am fucking baffled if this "500 games" thing for Seriex BC is true.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Its coming, she just says day 1 support.

Either she doesnt have her numbers right or they have fallen behind getting games certified, either way its no big deal to me I dont buy new consoles to play 10 year old games but thats just me.

They said their console is BC with 1000s of games already running. Xbox fanboys trashed Sony all this time for stating that the majority 99% are working on PS5.
It turned out that Sony who doesn't market BC have better BC than Xbox.

All the FUD spread around Sony turned out the other way around 10X .
So far
It's Xbox that isn't ready for next gen
It's Xbox that spent $750m x10
It's xbox that so far cannot do ray tracing
It's Xbox that isn't fully BC

And I am afraid it is gonna be xbox that will run multiplat games worse than PS5 ( people can go ahead and bookmark my post ) .

 

[On Demand]

But how much faster? Obviously the PS5 will be faster, it has a faster SSD... But since you are saying that this is laughable and the PS5 will be much much faster, let's put a number on it. On average, how much faster will it load BC games compared to Xbox.

I don't have an exact number. It will be way faster, that's a fact.

Don't brag until we actually see it, please.

There's nothing to brag about. The truth is in the data.

 

[SlimySnake]

this cold boot on the x1x is hilariously awful. what was MS thinking.

i cannot believe they are bringing the same bloated OS to next gen. this aint it chief.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

I think you're misunderstanding, that symbol isn't going on every game. Just the ones that are optimized for the new architecture. That's why your thread was closed.

I think I am being censured. Here's why...

Ok. Didnt know this wasnt supposed to have on all Xbox games cover of already released games. But we are still left to see If the ones that are optimized have much better load times. I really Hope so..

This Just could a misconception on my part, not with with trolling intentions. I was Just naive. But what about those who intentionally misconcepted the difference between a Remaster version and a game running on BC mode like Spiderman?

People started to flame war with the false accusation that Sony was charging for PS4 games, when in reality we are talking about a remaster version here Just like TLOU on PS4. The mods didnt close threads and erased posts when that happened.

 

[SlimySnake]

There's nothing to brad about. The truth is in the data.

not really. the data on the xsx points to 40x faster ssds and thus 40x faster load times. we are only seeing 4-6x times faster loading so there is a bottleneck somewhere. the CPU, the velocity architecture, or maybe its the OS which wasnt great to begin with on the x1 and they are reusing it for the xsx.

It's entirely possible that the 100x faster ssd wont result in 100x faster loading times. FranXico is right. lets not start celebrating just yet. you are not going to get a cold boot of 1-2 seconds on the ps5 no matter how fast the ssd is.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Imo this is pretty neat for BC without any patches.

Are companies really going to waste time patching if their game has no updates. Run that shit back in BC.

Well, I'm reserving any judgement for now, because this could just be part of their overall marketing strategy.

It's a terrible marketing strategy in my book, but then Sony haven't exactly set the world alight either.

However, no footage whatsoever of new games running on a console out in six weeks is incredibly foolish, and not exactly confidence inspiring.

I'm hoping they have a massive dump of new gameplay coming shortly. They certainly should have.

You caught it before the MOD. You magician!!! You got good faith sir. I don't know man. I don't know why Xbox do this to themselves. I judge people by their actions.

I cant deny my instincts. These guys are suspect.This is a hustle. When there's this much silence on the main thing as games. Its spooky. Its going to end usually in disappointment.

 

[FastOrc]

Quick resume is great for people like me, i have not bought a disc since the start of the last generation. All my games are digital along with having gamepass.
But i have just been thinking, Quick resume is not going to be much good to people who like to only buy games on disc.
Quick resume is not going to be to quick unless you are quick at inserting that disc.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

I half expect PS5 to boot in like 5 seconds.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

They said their console is BC with 1000s of games already running. Xbox fanboys trashed Sony all this time for stating that the majority 99% are working on PS5.
It turned out that Sony who doesn't market BC have better BC than Xbox.

All the FUD spread around Sony turned out the other way around 10X .
So far
It's Xbox that isn't ready for next gen
It's Xbox that spent $750m x10
It's xbox that so far cannot do ray tracing
It's Xbox that isn't fully BC

And I am afraid it is gonna be xbox that will run multiplat games worse than PS5 ( people can go ahead and bookmark my post ) .

It is BC with thousands of games, stop spreading FUD

 

[Doncabesa]

Quick resume is great for people like me, i have not bought a disc since the start of the last generation. All my games are digital along with having gamepass.
But i have just been thinking, Quick resume is not going to be much good to people who like to only buy games on disc.
Quick resume is not going to be to quick unless you are quick at inserting that disc.

It is still helpful in having the game ready to go asap once you put the disc in at least (if it's still saved on the SSD).

 

[sircaw]

Bo banned ia a huge loss.

Not on the xbox side of things, they are throwing wild sex orgies parties at the news.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Quick resume is great for people like me, i have not bought a disc since the start of the last generation. All my games are digital along with having gamepass.
But i have just been thinking, Quick resume is not going to be much good to people who like to only buy games on disc.
Quick resume is not going to be to quick unless you are quick at inserting that disc.

Either way modern games save so frequently and will load so fast that quick resume is not the second coming.
I mean it's still great of course but I'll probably start games normally because they tend to sperg out when the internet connection is gone and all of a sudden 2 days have passed between two lines of code.

 

[On Demand]

not really. the data on the xsx points to 40x faster ssds and thus 40x faster load times. we are only seeing 4-6x times faster loading so there is a bottleneck somewhere. the CPU, the velocity architecture, or maybe its the OS which wasnt great to begin with on the x1 and they are reusing it for the xsx.

That's with Xbox I/O hardware, not PS5. The PS5 SSD addresses every bottleneck related to that. It's like people still don't get Cerny's road to PS5 presentation where he talks about this. 100x faster SSD is exactly what the PS5 does.

It's entirely possible that the 100x faster ssd wont result in 100x faster loading times. FranXico is right. lets not start celebrating just yet. you are not going to get a cold boot of 1-2 seconds on the ps5 no matter how fast the ssd is.

Keep up man

Kena: Bridge Of Spirits Loads In Just Two Seconds On PS5

Kena: Bridge Of Spirits loads so quickly on the PlayStation 5 that you can’t even see the opening animation.

www.thegamer.com

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Summoning Bo back from the banned realm

 

[MarkMe2525]

I think I am being censured. Here's why...

Ok. Didnt know this wasnt supposed to have on all Xbox games cover of already released games. But we are still left to see If the ones that are optimized have much better load times. I really Hope so..

This Just could a misconception on my part, not with with trolling intentions. I was Just naive. But what about those who intentionally misconcepted the difference between a Remaster version and a game running on BC mode like Spiderman?

People started to flame war with the false accusation that Sony was charging for PS4 games, when in reality we are talking about a remaster version here Just like TLOU on PS4. The mods didnt close threads and erased posts when that happened.

I am curious to see how a optimized game loads as well. More data will need to be loaded so we may actually see an Xbox one game load in 20 seconds cold and a series x game in 30 seconds cold. We will see. I do believe PS5 is gonna be a multiple faster though. That's good though that both of these consoles will have some major QOL improvements.

 

[sircaw]

quick resume seems to be the best feature by far.

Well its def not new games, Oh God i did say that. HERE I COME BO. i am joining you.

Time to upgrade that single-humped camel to a double.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I've been out of the loop a bit guys, can anyone help out? What did I miss, last time I checked MS was writing a big check to buy SEGA... are we there yet

Nah just kidding, couldn't miss these "fantastic" load time improvements in old games...

 

[FunkMiller]

I think getting this into the hands of youtubers has been great marketing. everyone is gushing over the console's new features.

TBH, i wish sony did this too.

They are doing that, though. Next week.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

not really. the data on the xsx points to 40x faster ssds and thus 40x faster load times. we are only seeing 4-6x times faster loading so there is a bottleneck somewhere. the CPU, the velocity architecture, or maybe its the OS which wasnt great to begin with on the x1 and they are reusing it for the xsx.

It's entirely possible that the 100x faster ssd wont result in 100x faster loading times. FranXico is right. lets not start celebrating just yet. you are not going to get a cold boot of 1-2 seconds on the ps5 no matter how fast the ssd is.

Cerny's entire presentation earlier this year was all sbout how the 100x SSD is really 100x faster.
Spider-Man and Demon's souls proved less than a second loading. Ratchet and Clank was less than 2 seconds ( and likely the 2 seconds is for the fancy portal transition animation not actual loading)

 

[Insane Metal]

There may be the some consternation that Series X back-compat isn't a cure-all to all performance issues on all games, but again, this is the GPU running in compatibility mode, where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox - you aren't seeing the architectural improvements to performance from RDNA 2, which Microsoft says is 25 per cent to the better, teraflop to teraflop. And obviously, these games are not coded for RDNA 2 or Series X, meaning that access to the actual next-gen features like variable rate shading or mesh shaders simply does not exist.

 

[SlimySnake]

That's with Xbox I/O hardware, not PS5. The PS5 SSD addresses every bottleneck related to that. It's like people still don't get Cerny's road to PS5 presentation where he talks about this. 100x faster SSD is exactly what the PS5 does.



Keep up man

Kena: Bridge Of Spirits Loads In Just Two Seconds On PS5

Kena: Bridge Of Spirits loads so quickly on the PlayStation 5 that you can’t even see the opening animation.

www.thegamer.com

I have watched Cerny's conference so many times, i might as well have a PHD in it.

What we are telling you is that loading a game isnt the same as loading a console OS. And Kena is a cross gen game. Lets just wait and see. No need to start sucking each others dicks just yet.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I have watched Cerny's conference so many times, i might as well have a PHD in it.

What we are telling you is that loading a game isnt the same as loading a console OS. And Kena is a cross gen game. Lets just wait and see. No need to start sucking each others dicks just yet.

But it's ok to start sucking each other's dicks for fun though, right?

I'm asking for a friend

 

[BlueXImpulse]

which Microsoft says is 25 per cent to the better

Doesn't this imply that there are no IPC improvements from RDNA1 to 2?

 

[Wraith Phantom]

They said their console is BC with 1000s of games already running. Xbox fanboys trashed Sony all this time for stating that the majority 99% are working on PS5.
It turned out that Sony who doesn't market BC have better BC than Xbox.

All the FUD spread around Sony turned out the other way around 10X .
So far
It's Xbox that isn't ready for next gen
It's Xbox that spent $750m x10
It's xbox that so far cannot do ray tracing
It's Xbox that isn't fully BC

And I am afraid it is gonna be xbox that will run multiplat games worse than PS5 ( people can go ahead and bookmark my post ) .

 

[Nikana]

I have watched Cerny's conference so many times, i might as well have a PHD in it.

What we are telling you is that loading a game isnt the same as loading a console OS. And Kena is a cross gen game. Lets just wait and see. No need to start sucking each others dicks just yet.

(Zips pants back up)

Fine.

 

[PSX]

 

[SlimySnake]

Doesn't this imply that there are no IPC improvements from RDNA1 to 2?

yes. I brought this up a few weeks ago after the hot chips presentation where this was first revealed.

Back then richard looked at the xsx gpu diagram provided by MS, and it looked identical to RDNA 1.0.

So both XSX and PS5 are rdna 1.0 GPUs with rt and other rdna 2.0 features bolted on. I suspect RDNA 2.0 itself is basically rdna 1.0 with features bolted on but the fact that its releasing so close to consoles means it might have newer features and more architecture changes because unlike console GPUs which had to go in production by spring, RDNA 2.0 desktop GPUs didnt need to go into production until just a couple of months ago.

 

[Zoro7]

(Zips pants back up)

Fine.

Power ranger suit doesn't have a zip. Fraud!

 

[FunkMiller]

If I have an observation about the gaming media, it's how meekly they just tow the company line, instead of interrogating the important questions we all have over these very expensive pieces of hardware that the manufacturers want us to buy.

Why isn't good old Richard writing a piece on how bad it is that Msft haven't shown us any new game footage six weeks from launch, instead of just describing backwards compatibility as 'phenomenal'? It bloody should be Richard, it's a fucking powerful next gen machine. Equally, someone - anyone - in the games press should probably be asking Sony why there's been no sign whatsoever of real live consoles out in the wild, a mere seven weeks from launch.

To quote The Joker in The Dark Knight: what happened? did your balls drop off?

 

[Aceofspades]

Its hilarious that all today's coverage was BC games lol