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FunkMiller
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Okay, but again... we’ve been told a lot of stuff about SSDs and speedy loading... this does not demonstrate that.
On a much happier note, Sekiro looked bloody marvellous.
Not only that, MS has already shown us "fast" load times and quick resume. Which is great, and I'm not criticizing those features.
They have shown nothing else about their OS or am I wrong about that?
And yet people complain that Sony has not shown their OS, which I believe they are keeping under wraps as long as possible, as they have some unique features, that they don't want MS to to start jerry rigging into their OS at the last minute (probably would take a week or two at least to put in some placeholder feature), so they can claim, they had this feature also on day 1. Yes, my take on why Sony is holding off showing the OS so far.
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Neo Blaster
Member
You're saying the CPU is the bottleneck now, but aren't current gen games compressed with zlib? Isn't VA's hardware decompression block supposed to perform this task instead of the CPU?
Garani
Member
I actually wonder what the noice level will be with next-gen games. Probably the same as now, but who knows.
You can't say that, you know!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Alright, so this is an example of bad journalism. Ryan McCaffrey says cold boot for xsx is 10-12 seconds. Well, the video he posted does not support that. its actually 20 seconds for the cold boot.
Timestamped: 1:46 to 2:06. is my math bad or does this not add up to 10-12 seconds?
Of course this got a thread on era with the title saying that IGN reported that cold boot is 10-12 seconds.
Timestamped: 1:46 to 2:06. is my math bad or does this not add up to 10-12 seconds?
Of course this got a thread on era with the title saying that IGN reported that cold boot is 10-12 seconds.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I expect you're right about them nor wanting MS to start copying them. Then again it took them 7 years to get remote play working, so it might be an unwarranted concern.
jasondefaoite
Member
I've just got back into No Man's Sky on PS4pro, and was hoping the load time would be faster on the PS5.
The load times for the Xbox seems off to me. Running a standard run of the mill SATA SSD in the PS4pro, the game loads in 57 secs. Mechanical drive, yeah I would expect it to be quite a bit slower, but the XSX time can't be accurate surely.
xacto
Member
Timed it, 20.24 seconds. So let's say 20 seconds. Is that all there is to it for the SSD in the XSX?!
It's 34.93 seconds for my PS4 with 1TB HDD and one SSD attached via USB.
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Cold boots are not just about SSD speed. The hardware does an initializing check of hardware components, and that is usually what slows the boot time.
Anyway, who cold boots? 99% of the time, I'm booting from sleep on my PS4 Pro.
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TTOOLL
Member
But these are non-optimized games, right?
BlueXImpulse
Banned
2:06 - 1:46 = 20 seconds
20 seconds - 6 seconds = 14 seconds
14 seconds - 4 seconds OR 2 seconds respectively will give you 10-12 seconds
This is how Ryan got to that figure.
To summarise, Ryan McCaffrey made it up
ethomaz
Banned
Sony will show non-optimized games too.
IMO MS marketing focus should be on something they have advantage like the supposed more powerful GPU.
They are right now marketing something that will probably look bad for them.
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You use various compression techs on current gen. If you have fixed function hardware it can normally only understand stuff, that is specially made for it. So you can't use any zip-container to decompress that. So they just can't "emulate" this stuff and use the hardware for the game. E.g. you can't use the PS5 decomporession block do decompress other stuff. The "stuff" musst be compressed with special compression algorithms, else it just won't work via hardware. That is a weakness of the fixed function route. It is really fast and energy efficient but if you change the algorithm just a bit, it won't work (not without using the CPU). This makes absolute sense in a console, but is also the reason why we don't have fixed function decompression hardware in our PC CPUs yet. Algorithms get better and better over time, but if you have the algorithm in hardware, it can't change that much. So a normal PC uses the CPU which make it much more dynamic and you can always use the best-case algorithm for the time.
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DrDamn
Member
It doesn't need to be supported by devs does it? It just works with everything. You'll get network interruptions for silly online SP games that insist you log in to play, but it should just work. Given the focus shown so far it is really useful for B/C titles. A quick resume into RDR2 would be just 6-8 seconds wouldn't it? For next gen title you'd think it might actual be quicker to cold boot straight into the game section you want to play (SP/MP etc).
xacto
Member
Same for me, we might have had higher expectations and we set ourselves out for disappointment. But again, I am not exactly a tech head, so...
We will see, but I am a bit let down by those loading times myself.
Mr Moose
Member
Can someone check the video, is this bullshit? Current gen games != Xbox Series X games.
Neo Blaster
Member
There's some serious bottleneck going on VA, even on the slower SSD speed(2.4GB/s RAW) it would take 6.7s to fill the ENTIRE memory. Isn't the hardware decompression block being used?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
thats not my point though. his claim is patently false. he has video evidence and he is simply lying about it. you gotta do better than that as a games journalist.
martino
Member
imo this will end up to be two completely opposed strategy :
showing worst on one hand vs showing best on the other
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LED Guy?
Banned
Oh wow LMAO!! So now Xbox Series X supports 500 games of BC games throughout Original Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, JUST 500, so that means that it won't anywhere near support all games of Xbox One.
While PS5 will support 99% of PS4 games, over 4000 of them, so now PS5 is superior when it comes to BC.
While PS5 will support 99% of PS4 games, over 4000 of them, so now PS5 is superior when it comes to BC.
VargasPaPuM
Member
probabily a API call no present in old games.
FunkMiller
Banned
Today is a very bad Day and a very good day at the same time.
Bad, that @Bo_hazam got banned for two weeks.
Good, this Thread is now all MINE
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Join me friends... we must form the NFRL (NeoGAF Fish Resistance League) to fight this evil dictator.
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This post is equivalent to a Sony fan asking why MS has shown no next generation games running on XSX.
What are they afraid of?
Why should Sony be afraid. They currently outsell the Xbox three to one. <-- Ahh, now I see why the Xbox was called the XBox One because they get outsold by the competition three to one!
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VargasPaPuM
Member
are you telling us a joke? lol
Mr Moose
Member
Now imagine the Series S
It's even less. Good thing we can swap shit out onto externals, because fuck paying $230 for a 1TB card.
Insane Metal
Member
So uh who the feck is this and why should we believe it?
Entroyp
Member
I’m pretty sure old games won’t use it, unless patched of course.
But, PS4 games shouldn’t be able to use the custom hardware on PS5 either, basically the CPU will handle everything while on legacy mode, so I wouldn’t expect those to load much faster either.
Nickolaidas
Member
And just like that, my fear for BC has been realized. And I'm willing to bet those 0.8 seconds it took for Spider-Man to load was a fully re-worked version of the Spider-Man game, not mere BC in action (granted, we haven't yet seen the PS5 in action with BC games, but I'm willing to bet it'll be the same logic). Games which are not built from the ground up to take advantage of an SSD (like Ratchet and Demon's Souls on the PS5) will still take considerable time to load.
50 seconds for RDR2 ... what a fucking disappointment.
SSfox
Member
Yeah, i mean a friend told me back in 2014 "my PS4 is quite", then i learned sometimes after he bought it with Knack, Once Bloodborne and Witcher 3 released this was an entire different story haha
I won't believe this quite thing until i see it running a very hardware pushing game, and this goes for both PS5 and XSX. Tho i think (hope) things will be better than current gen considering what they done in the matter.
gt_connect
Neo Member
Is this true? Why people hype 4k on sekiro if it is 1800p?
VargasPaPuM
Member
This post is equivalent to a Sony fan asking why MS has shown no next generation games running on XSX.
What are they afraid of?
Why should Sony be afraid. They currently outsell the Xbox three to one. <-- Ahh, now I see why the Xbox was called the XBox One because they get outsold by the competition three to one!
Wraith Phantom
Member
We don't need another event. Just do a youtube video. Casuals don't care about more events look at the viewing numbers of second show. The numbers are down. Just do a basic youtube will do.No more event crap please.
Agreed. This whole gen Xbox spent their time copying the PS5 UI. Its no wonder Sony started again. Playstation want a complete distinction between itself & teh comp. Its brilliant how PS just doesn't acknowledge Xbox. Move at their own pace.
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Vae_Victis
Banned
God this can't be true... is it confirmed anywhere by Microsoft?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
this cant be right.
Try to contribute, and any of your "attacking" of Sony has no effect on sales.
Say it three times before you post from now on:
My post will not affect sales.
My post will not affect sales.
My post will not affect sales.
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LED Guy?
Banned
This is according to that video from Engadget I think, and here we have another one who couldn't test the games he wanted.
But it is iffy, we'll see if they're true or not.
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FunkMiller
Banned
Honest question: do most people really gives two fucks about BC? Or how many games from previous gens a next gen console can play?
This is why I find it so weird that Xbox are highlighting BC just a few weeks from launch, when they should be showcasing new games to get people to buy those XSSs that haven’t sold yet.
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Insane Metal
Member
Yeah this is pretty idiotic.
MS: "Hey, here's our next gen system, take it and test it!"
Also MS: "Also, no nextgen games pls, only last gen games. Just because."
It’s only copying to harddrives? What has this to do with copying data to ram?
LED Guy?
Banned
Microsoft in the past were very iffy about it, we'll see in the future, you can look at this one too, someone couldn't test the games he wanted because they aren't supported.
Mr Moose
Member
Xbox Series X Will Play ALL Xbox One Games (Unless they used Kinect)
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/16/players-first-you-are-the-future-of-gaming/ Your games will not be left behind, thanks to backward compatibility. You will be able to play four generations of games on Xbox Series X on day one. That makes it the largest launch lineup for any new console...
yewles1
Member
xacto
Member
So she started talking about XSX... then all of a sudden the subject changed to PS5 backwards compatibility?! Ok.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont understand tom warren here. if ms is testing those games then fine, let them. whats stopping you from putting your copy of games in the xsx?
I really dont understand why BC is so hard. these consoles are basically PCs now. that was the whole point of going with AMD GCN and x86 architectures. this should just work. no testing required. after all, you dont test PC games do you.
This has me worried about PS5 now. I hope MS clarifies this later today.
LED Guy?
Banned
They didn't specify "all" though.Xbox Series X Will Play ALL Xbox One Games (Unless they used Kinect)
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/16/players-first-you-are-the-future-of-gaming/ Your games will not be left behind, thanks to backward compatibility. You will be able to play four generations of games on Xbox Series X on day one. That makes it the largest launch lineup for any new console...www.neogaf.com
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Does people expect every single game to have been tested and confirmed working day 1 for ALL generations for Xbox?
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