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[thismeinteil]

Sounds like DF got an email from MS's marketing department. The tone of this video is completely different from previous comparisons. Also added in the line that we can't really compare these launch titles because it's too early. Hmmm.

 

[paypay88]

Series S look dogshit

 

[Quixz]

Shameless stole from chandoog on ERA.


TL;DW

- Only covering 'next-gen' versions. PS5 Series S|X
- "Bug" in SDR mode which may make PS5 look darker, developers are looking into it.
- Game has 3 modes. Image Quality Mode, Resolution Mode, Performance Mode.

- Image Quality Mode
- Focused on boosting world detail.
- Higher rez shadow, AO, draw distance.
- All versions target 4K but w/ dynamic scaling. 1440p to 4K
- Series S tops out at 1440p but mostly 1080p or below.
- PS5 has higher average resolution and texture filtering.
- Targets 60 FPS and PS5|Series X mostly deliver.
- Both tear a bit, VRR solves Xbox issue.
- Series S the worst of the 3 but not that bad.


- Resolution Mode
- Targets 4K and sticks close to it most often.
- Series S still mostly sticks to 1080p range.
- Details like AO, Shadows etc lower than Image Quality mode.
- Series S has other cut backs like grass levels.
- All 3 consoles give the best performance in this mode. Very stable with very minor slowdown.
- Series S is the slowest of the 3, but very minor difference.


- Frame Rate / Performance Mode
- Targets 120hz w/ dynamic scaling.
- 900p to 1440p avg on PS5/Series X
- Series S as low as 570p.
- Detail level on PS5 is significantly higher than both Xbox versions in this mode
- Cars detail, geometric detail, grass, tessellation, environmental geometry takes a big hit on Xbox consoles.
- DF theorizes this is likely a bug. They have been told the developers are looking into it.
- Feels very very smooth. Series S fares the worst of the 3, but again not by that much.
- 120hz mode is very smooth by and large, PS5 has performance dips on a specific type of track.
- XB Series X feels the smoothest here additionally thanks to VRR

Nicely done. Thank

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Must be those damn tools again. Gosh darn them.

 

[oldergamer]

Another bad AF situation. As to those headlights, that's clearly an LOD bug indeed. Anyway it does seem to have the best version on PS5.

If, You think the lod is a bug, then how do u think the ps5 is the best version when it had trouble staying at 120hz?

 

[paypay88]

They needed a SKU that they could price at $299; a more powerful SKU would have been too expensive. The Series S is literally the best that they could do for their targeted price point.

They should have done all digital Series X at 399$ like PS5.
No compromises or anything

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Yeah, no, that's not a bug. That's "optimization" to get the XSX to run at those frames, that they didn't need to do for PS5 to run at those frames.

"Oh look an entire rendering mode is running last gen settings. Bob forgot to carry a 1. Oh well let's ship it."

I hate to be that guy, but this sounds like DF carrying water for Microsoft.

I disagree; it's got to be a software issue, because the power is there in the hardware. 52 CUs @ 12 teraflops should handle this game at least as well as the PS5 when the XSX's bottlenecks are taken into account - if not better.

 

[Hezekiah]

What a surprise, Series S is a 1080p machine exactly what I expected. Microsoft must have known this too.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Will fixing the bug on xbox hurt or help the performance?

What do you think happens when the gpu has to render more and higher quality assets and textures?

 

[Riky]

Maybe devs will make ps5 render in lego mode so it can then beat xsx frame rate ?

When ps5 and XSX are rendering the same thing, ps5 is more powerful.

It's a bug, what isn't is the fact PS5 can't handle the 120hz mode, it tanks really hard and has no VRR, that makes it unplayable even compared to Series S.

Small GPU just can't cut it, dropping a quarter of frames with tearing. Like they say Series X, 120fps and VRR you get a perfect game, the way it should be.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Ha they've even cut back the friggin grass on Xbox to keep performance up.

Someone please, photoshop a man using lawn mower here asap

 

[geordiemp]

I disagree; it's got to be a software issue, because the power is there in the hardware. 52 CUs @ 12 teraflops should handle this game at least as well as the PS5 when the XSX's bottlenecks are taken into account - if not better.

 

[VCL]

noticeable dips in 120 fps mode on ps5, but it wins in all other modes

 

[sncvsrtoip]

So basically the same between PS5 and Series X, outside the 120hz bug..

Even in quality mode ps5 has better texture filtering, slightly higher avarage resolution and slightly better fps so I could say it's close but not the same

 

[M1chl]

What a shitshow. Also DiRT5 and youtube really does not come together at all.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sounds like DF got an email from MS's marketing department. The tone of this video is completely different from previous comparisons. Also added in the line that we can't really compare these launch titles because it's too early. Hmmm.

*mild shock*

DF has been carrying water for Xbox since I can remember. That's what happens when MS butters your bread.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

What a surprise, Series S is a 1080p machine exactly what I expected. Microsoft must have known this too.

It depends on the game, obviously. Some games run at 4K on the Series S.

 

[diffusionx]

I am not going to say XSX is a piece of shit like launch Xbox One, but the system really just isn't good enough compared to PS5.

 

[geordiemp]

It's a bug, what isn't is the fact PS5 can't handle the 120hz mode, it tanks really hard and has no VRR, that makes it unplayable even compared to Series S.

Small GPU just can't cut it, dropping a quarter of frames with tearing. Like they say Series X, 120fps and VRR you get a perfect game, the way it should be.

Not everyone is going to buy a new 2.1 TV for consoles, so that is a fail. May as well buy a pC.

You realise that everytime someone says you need a new TV to enjoy the game on XSX, that is a massive loss in marketing and adoption. So keep it up, there is a good chap.

 

[Chan]

What a surprise, Series S is a 1080p machine exactly what I expected. Microsoft must have known this too.

It can go down to 576p in performance mode, which is kinda... uff.

 

[sinnergy]

Looks great on Series X here , but I don't t game at 120 Hz, 60 is fine for me.

 

[ethomaz]

His Dirt 5 video obviously?

You said Forza 4, an X360 game(the best Forza game btw) but this is what Forza 4 looked like.

As I said you just forgot what that game looked like and at what resolution because at the time 720p60 was super fine.



It cant go above 120 so what improvement were you expecting exactly?

That is Forza 4 bro.

 

[Shakka43]

They needed a SKU that they could price at $299; a more powerful SKU would have been too expensive. The Series S is literally the best that they could do for their targeted price point.

A digital X for $400 would have been a sweeter deal, even if that meant taking a bigger lost per sale by Microsoft. Supporting this S console for the next 6 years is gonna be a bitch for game developers.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Not everyone is going to buy a new 2.1 TV for consoles, so that is a fail. May as well buy a pC.

You realise that everytime someone says you need a new TV to enjoy the game on XSX, that is a massive loss in marketing and adoption.

Specially when VRR is coming, as a matter of fact.

 

[Zadom]

So basically the same between PS5 and Series X, outside the 120hz bug.

Series S is...well...not great, must admit.

PS5 absolutely the definitive place to play the game, thanks to the controller.

Will put the thread on ignore now.

 

[Riky]

Not everyone is going to buy a new 2.1 TV for consoles, so that is a fail. May as well buy a pC.

You realise that everytime someone says you need a new TV to enjoy the game on XSX, that is a massive loss in marketing and adoption. So keep it up, there is a good chap.

You don't, on this game the Series X and Series S hold the 120fps nicely, the PS5 tanks down to the low 90's. That is going to affect gameplay in a big way.

 

[Windle Poons]

Riky was out earlier with his lawn mower

Thats the Minecraft blocks on the left?

 

[USF]

Ummm ok this has to be explained by MS

 

[ToadMan]

"You have to buy Xbox for third party games"

What other excuse will they try to invent to lure you in to buying the useless ugly box?

The Series X - the world's most powerful Xbox 360.

 

[michaelius]

Series S 600p in 120Hz. Other modes nice in 1080p TV.

PS2 says hello

Altrough i think gran turismos had 1080i back then

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

*mild shock*

DF has been carrying water for Xbox since I can remember. That's what happens when MS butters your bread.

Deschamps Foundry!

 

[ethomaz]

The "tools" excuse moves to "bug" excuse

 

[Entroyp]

Another win for PS5 vs Xbox... daamn!

I see DF got scolded by their sponsor, this video is way more like their normal.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[GrayFoxPL]

They just can't stand ps5 version looks better.

"It's illogical! It must be a bug!"

 

[reinking]

Looks great on Series X here , but I don't t game at 120 Hz, 60 is fine for me.

Enjoy what you enjoy. Do not let these breakdown videos ruin it. I have seen a few people get so caught up in it they no longer enjoyed a game they were loving the day before.

 

[GreyHand23]

You don't, on this game the Series X and Series S hold the 120fps nicely, the PS5 tanks down to the low 90's. That is going to affect gameplay in a big way.

They said they couldn't measure Series X and Series S frame rate on 120 FPS mode so that's not true. The PS5 frame rate mode looks significantly better and holds stable 120 FPS more than 90% of the time. It just dips on isolated tracks.

 

[JonkyDonk]

So on 60Hz mode it looks and runs better on PS5? Damn son!

 

[paypay88]

So on 60Hz mode it looks and runs better on PS5? Damn son!

IT MUST BE A BUG

IT CANT BE

HOW COULD WE LOST MS BROS
AGAIN

 

[Agnostic2020]

Damn in twitter xsx is butt of all jokes now. Ms needed to be more prepared.

Another win for ps5 but no point In counting when they all are better on ps5

 

[waquzy]

XSX just got spanked again. Looks like the PS5 is the champ of this generation.

End thread.

 

[Riky]

They said they couldn't measure Series X and Series S frame rate on 120 FPS mode so that's not true. The PS5 frame rate mode looks significantly better and holds stable 120 FPS more than 90% of the time. It just dips on isolated tracks.

They said Xbox holds it well, the PS5 doesn't, low 90s in that video. That will be some series judder and ruins gameplay. No VRR so you're stuck with it, PS5 just can't cut it.

 

[longdi]

damn that 120hz bug on SX!
I want news outlet to start putting pressure on Phil. Get that devtools out fast.
MS has shown of late, they are responsive, not afraid to make hard decisions.

 

[ethomaz]

What a surprise, Series S is a 1080p machine exactly what I expected. Microsoft must have known this too.

A 576p machine in this game.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I just read the Series S res goes as low as 570p in Performance mode...that's a record for a major multiplat title surely??

 

[Black_Stride]

That is Forza 4 bro.

Sometimes I wonder about your mental capacity man.

Please become a serious person else I legit will have to just place you on the ignore list, you stress me out because I start thinking its me going crazy.

This is what you posted:

I watched it and it looks no better than GT6 or Forza 4... and let's not even compare with Forzas for Xbox One or GTS/DriveClub.

So I showed you what Forza 4 looks like because im assuming you just forgot what Forza 4 actually looked like. and you telling me Dirt 5 looks worse than that.....counting the resolution, shader quality, aliasing and model detail?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

damn that 120hz bug on SX!
I want news outlet to start putting pressure on Phil. Get that devtools out fast.
MS has shown of late, they are responsive, not afraid to make hard decisions.

Could be an honest mistake from Codemasters. I think they're mistakenly using XSS settings on the XSX.

 

[Topher]

It's a bug, what isn't is the fact PS5 can't handle the 120hz mode, it tanks really hard and has no VRR, that makes it unplayable even compared to Series S.

Small GPU just can't cut it, dropping a quarter of frames with tearing. Like they say Series X, 120fps and VRR you get a perfect game, the way it should be.

The XSX version in that mode has lower detail than the PS5 version. Linneman says this lower detail benefits XSX performance. He also says this lower detail is probably a bug. So I would expect, based on all that, XSX performance to decrease once the bug is ironed out and the additional details added back in. The performance issues for PS5 also only apply to certain tracks. They say 90% run fine.

 

[Loxus]

thugstools vs professionaltools

This looks to me like one console is just more powerful than the other.
Like one is medium settings and the other is high settings.
This ain't no bug like DF is trying to portray.
Tools can't fix this level of difference.

 

[Armorian]

Better AF on PS5 "for some reason"

Average res "little bit higher" on PS5