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OPINON: Sony Not Offering Performance Upgrade To Ghosts For Free Feels Anti-Consumer
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Craig of War
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JerryinSoCal
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Being that the thread title is totally false shouldn't it be changed? They already gave a performance upgrade for free a while back.
Bryank75
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I think that was just 60fps.
Native play patch would be.... new high res textures, higher resolution, more anti-aliasing etc.... but we have no details.
ReBurn
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So based on the blog post announcement from Sony if you currently own the PS4 version of the game you have to pay $29.99 to get all of the enhancements on PS5, right? I guess it's not the end of the world since you get some DLC but it does seem sort of crappy to lock the other enhancements, like 3D audio upgrades, DualSense support and 4K video options behind that paywall. I wonder why there isn't a path to get the upgrades without the DLC? Or did I miss i?
bender
What time is it?
I'm not sure you missed it. I read it the same way. It could be that they aren't going to offer the non-Director's Cut as a native PS5 app. The only hope is that Death Stranding wasn't clarified very well until a later tweet advertising the $9.99 upgrade.
bender
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True. Let's hope the upgrade charges are worth the good will they are eroding from their customer base.
JerryinSoCal
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Performance is the framerate and that was already done for free, the performance on PS5 is 60fps in the "4K" mode so we are getting the best version of the game possible for no extra charge already. If the person wanted to say "not giving added PS5 specific features for free" that would be accurate, performance has already been done.
ReBurn
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Sony's blog post specifically mentions "4K resolution options** and framerates targeting 60 FPS. **4K display required" in their blog post concerning PS5 enhancements. That would insinuate there's additional enhancement in the PS5 version under PS5 exclusive features. Or does the blog post mean something different?
It isn't anti-consumer.
It's just greedy. Sony isn't dependant on that 10$ from upgrade but they want to extract every penny from their customers and they are willing to eat it up.
When fucking EA were able to release two next-gen patches (one for backwards compatibility and one native) for Jedi Fallen Order for free, it's clear that Sony could do that too. If they wanted,
It's just greedy. Sony isn't dependant on that 10$ from upgrade but they want to extract every penny from their customers and they are willing to eat it up.
When fucking EA were able to release two next-gen patches (one for backwards compatibility and one native) for Jedi Fallen Order for free, it's clear that Sony could do that too. If they wanted,
JoeBudden
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This is the epitome of consumer entitlement.
This is a game that already recieved a free PS5 patch last year that boosted the game's resolution and performance to 60 FPS. This is a game from the same team that released a whole multiplayer expansion for this game for free, along with tons of other free updates since launch. $10 for a complete PS5 makeover /remaster isn't asking for much.
And, this game is being compared to DOOM Eternal? A game with various forms of paid DLC and microtransactions??
You guys gotta be stupid.
This is a game that already recieved a free PS5 patch last year that boosted the game's resolution and performance to 60 FPS. This is a game from the same team that released a whole multiplayer expansion for this game for free, along with tons of other free updates since launch. $10 for a complete PS5 makeover /remaster isn't asking for much.
And, this game is being compared to DOOM Eternal? A game with various forms of paid DLC and microtransactions??
You guys gotta be stupid.
TheGodfather07
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Nobody cares. Of course companies want to make money and dont care about us. Some may give that you illusion but in the end all they see is dollars. You always have the final choice though. You can always stop supporting sony if you feel that strongly about it.
TLZ
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You can google some real thiccness and they don't look like her at all
ReBurn
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So what do you say to people who paid $60 for it on PS4 at release and now have to pay another $30 to unlock the new enhancements on PS5? Because it's only $10 if you buy the director's cut on PS4 and then upgrade to director's cut on PS5 later. Those people will have paid $90 for what new PS5 players are getting for $70. Those people aren't stupid to complain.
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captainraincoat
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EA and Sony are similar in a lot of ways
The good
- They release a bunch of free upgrades
- They add a heap of free content to older games
The bad
- They charge stupid prices for next gen games or lock them behind an ultimate/collectors/directors cut edition
- They love paid remasters of old games
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AlexxKidd
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She's realistic thicc not them fake over the top thicc lol
She is absolutely hot but I would not call her THICC.
Even EA didn't charge for next-gen upgrades last year.
But they figured out they can get away with it, because Activision and Take-Two got away with it witch Black Ops Cold War and NBA 2K21
JoeBudden
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They're paying $90 for a $70 PS5 game and a $20 expansion. Which is the market price for current gen games and the same price as Horizon DLC, Bloodborne DLC, etc.
The $10 difference is to close the market price gap between last gen and this gen.
What's stupid is comparing this $10 pricing situation with Ghost's PS5 upgrade path, with a game that extracts money from players in various ways including microtransactions (the developers promised there would be no microtransactions, but instead lied).
Justin9mm
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I wish it was $10, the PS5 upgrade here in Aus is $40 AUD, that's nearly $30 USD.. Granted it comes with some DLC but who cares, it's too much for people who already own the game!
And we all know that the DLC is just content they cut out of the game originally so they could give you some extra content later to make additional profit.
And we all know that the DLC is just content they cut out of the game originally so they could give you some extra content later to make additional profit.
Dr Bass
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For the life of me, I do not get this mentality. It takes work to create extra content, and PS5 games go for more money. So you pay an extra 10 bucks to cover those PS5 specific differences. They already gave out a free 60fps boost if you played the original game on PS5. Getting the res bump, the Japanese lip sync (this is HUGE IMO, especially as a big fan of all the old samurai movies this game is basically based on), the expansion pack etc ... for 30 bucks? No brainer to me.
What is wrong with charging money for your product?
Do you have a job you expect to be paid by?
PuppetMaster
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I would pay $10 just for the 3D audio upgrade! That shit is legit!
AlexxKidd
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I paid $60 for the luxury of playing Ghost at launch. Are you breaking the news that I could buy the same game for cheaper if I waited over a year?
93xfan
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If only. Really wish I could have Socom 2 and SSX Tricky. My wallet is ready
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MScarpa
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This is considered thick now? Good lord, she's what size 4? Good god you men are insane now.
She's realistic thicc not them fake over the top thicc lol
Mr. PlayStation
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We literally got 60fps at CBR 4K upgrade for PS5 when playing PS4 version many months ago. The directors cut literally has Iki island expansion along with haptics/triggers etc. The resolution/fps in directors cut isn't a selling point for me since it's already there in the OG PS4 version when played on PS5 version.
Andodalf
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EA was the one big player to skip remakes last gen. Mass effect is really the only notable one, and then like burnout. I’d hardly call that a habit.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Salty Popsicle
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If Sony was truly "For The Players", they would have rewarded loyal customers who purchased the game with the free PS5 upgrade and then simply sold the new content separately as DLC. This "Director's Cut" should have been for people who never bought the game on PS4 originally.
captainraincoat
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Need for Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered...one of the laziest money grabs
My View Exactly...its a first party studio
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mansoor1980
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i dont care , to me you are alanah pearce
Enjoy my thicc
*I'm not actually Alanah Pearce btw.
Strider Highwind
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So i'm trying to understand. My 60 fps PS4 version running in backwards compat can get the expansion for just 20 bucks and still play that at 60fps on my PS5 right?
Cause If that other 10 dollars is just dualsense stuff and lip sync or w/e then I'd rather just pay the 20 for the actual content. Is that possible? I really just want that new singleplayer content, I been waiting on news of real SP Content for the game moreso than dualsense capability lol
Cause If that other 10 dollars is just dualsense stuff and lip sync or w/e then I'd rather just pay the 20 for the actual content. Is that possible? I really just want that new singleplayer content, I been waiting on news of real SP Content for the game moreso than dualsense capability lol
kyliethicc
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bender
What time is it?
mansoor1980
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Andodalf
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two remasters in the past decade in no way makes them “In love with paid remasters”
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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That actually makes the $10 extra look worst, because then you have to really ask what the extra money is for. Japanese lip-sync and Dualsense functionality? The former is very questionable and the latter is just a flat-out bad reason for charging $10 more IMO.
Nah, they are definitely not the only ones doing it and I wasn't trying to imply that in the OP. But it's just the most recent example of a publisher doing it with a console game, and in Sony's case they're the only ones to have upped the price of their current-gen 1P content.
They're the only platform holder that's emboldened/encouraged third-parties to also bump up their base prices for current-gen games by doing so themselves, that puts them in a unique situation.
Exactly. Paying for expansion content, especially substantive story campaign content, is not an issue (as long as it's not the price of a full game). It's for the performance upgrades...not even that, really, because apparently Ghosts is already checkerboard 4K60 on PS5.
So the $10 is literally for Japanese lip sync and Dualsense. That's crazy; might as well add $5 on top for the new box art!
Well hopefully more people do (constructively) bring up their issues with such things going forward. Well, they generally don't have an issue doing it when Microsoft does some stupid business practice or attempts to. There is still more resistance to affording Sony that same type of criticism when they make dumb business choices or don't keep to their word on things (it's still crazy that there's no update for 3P SSD installs for PS5, eight months post-launch).
Nintendo seems to have the most built-in resilience to criticism for questionable business practices, but I think in a few years time that will start to slowly change. And at that point we could start seeing more sane choices from the platform holders on some of these things. And it's very important for platform holders to set the standard here because that will greatly influence what third-parties try to do and what they think they can get away with.
But again, that just makes the $10 extra look even more questionable. What is the extra $10 getting you? Lip sync and haptics/trigger support? How is that worth 1/6 of the cost of the actual game AND the dynamic 4k/60 support for PS5, already covered in the $60 that ALSO contains the expansion story content?
It is simply not a justified extra cost, in my honest opinion.
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bender
What time is it?
He will not fuck you either.
TheAssist
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You dont know what anti comsumer means. Same goes for most people in this thread. Being subjectively overpriced and being anti comsumer are to very different things.
So which other platforms are doing it for free for all their games?
On Sony's side, you have games like Miles Morales and Sackboy, where you also get the PS5 version upgrade free.
On Xbox you got a free upgrade for Gears 5, Tactics? and FH4 and that's it, as far as I know. They also barely released any games last gen to upgrade and none this gen, thou....
On the Switch, you are paying full price for Wii/Wii U upgrades, and sometimes have to buy Amiibos additionally to get QoL improvements.
On Sony's side, you have games like Miles Morales and Sackboy, where you also get the PS5 version upgrade free.
On Xbox you got a free upgrade for Gears 5, Tactics? and FH4 and that's it, as far as I know. They also barely released any games last gen to upgrade and none this gen, thou....
On the Switch, you are paying full price for Wii/Wii U upgrades, and sometimes have to buy Amiibos additionally to get QoL improvements.
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captainraincoat
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Bad pricing is Anti-Consumer and its not just a sony thing
here is the actual definition
Definition of anti-consumer
: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumersanti-consumer practices
just_like_that
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$30 for a new island to explore and more ps5 features hell yeah the game was tight. if it is really 15 hour long like the rumor says, thats also great since some of these games nowadays are close to that long and cost $60