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[Updated] CFO Hiroki Totoki Not Concerned with Third Party Software Sales on PC
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LectureMaster
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
completely different audiences. pc ports arent devaluing or hindering shit
jm89
Member
Too early tell what the negative impact is.
What's hurting ps5 sales right now is the price, economy, and alot of casual users having no reason to upgrade as they can still play their GAAS games on ps4.
Will see if the tune changes if a possible steam console can take off.
If valve can find a way for their console to actually be more then a few million seller, sony will be caught with their pants down and will be their own doing.
What's hurting ps5 sales right now is the price, economy, and alot of casual users having no reason to upgrade as they can still play their GAAS games on ps4.
Will see if the tune changes if a possible steam console can take off.
If valve can find a way for their console to actually be more then a few million seller, sony will be caught with their pants down and will be their own doing.
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Kerotan
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That's why they're not switching.
Topher
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LectureMaster
I watched the stream and transcribed the question/answer. The translation is a little rough as the guy is having to translate on the fly, but this is what he says....Stockholder question:
"Looking at games, especially in the second half, in the third party software lineup, not compatible to the PS4, but some new titles are only compatible with PS5. There has been an increase in the number of that. What is the thinking behind that? Are you expecting an acceleration of transition from PS4 to PS5? Or, and of course we are talking about third party, and those users with the PC and PS4, they might be able to purchase the software for PC and there might be a risk. How do you view the risks and opportunities?"
Totoki:
"The third party lineup only for PS5. You said there might be an increase in the number of the titles, but because of the timing and because of the late stage of the console cycle and naturally we have more titles for PS5. But the transition to PS5, we believe the transition is happening as we expect. So if you upgrade to PS5 basically there will be upside in the software purchases we see that as an opportunity. As for the risk for third party software for PC, we don't see that as a risk and we haven't seen that as a trend emerging."
Everyone should note, that the entire conversation was about third party software only.
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Fabieter
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People claim ease of use and simplicity keeps them console players that doesn't change with pc releases so yea I think at this point just release them day one.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
PC is a threat, Gotcha
Pedro Motta
Member
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
hey, he owns an intel- he needs that power.
Trogdor1123
Member
Totally anecdotal but I switch and my brother in law switched in the last year.
We were both with them since ps1 and day 1 plus members. We both decided enough was enough once they upped the plus price last time.
No one really cares about just two customers of course though and it likely doesn’t represent most people at all. Just my experience.
We were both with them since ps1 and day 1 plus members. We both decided enough was enough once they upped the plus price last time.
No one really cares about just two customers of course though and it likely doesn’t represent most people at all. Just my experience.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I mean...PS5 is right behind PS4's overall sales at much more expensive prices even with a pandemic. I really don't think PS hardware numbers are affected by PC gaming in any way lmao.
LectureMaster
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My man is doing awesome proofreading work! Let me add this to OP.
Stockholder question:
"Looking at games, especially in the second half, in the third party software lineup, not compatible to the PS4, but some new titles are only compatible with PS5. There has been an increase in the number of that. What is the thinking behind that? Are you expecting an acceleration of transition from PS4 to PS5? Or, and of course we are talking about third party, and those users with the PC and PS4, they might be able to purchase the software for PC and there might be a risk. How do you view the risks and opportunities?"
Totoki:
"The third party lineup only for PS5. You said there might be an increase in the number of the titles, but because of the timing and because of the late stage of the console cycle and naturally we have more titles for PS5. But the transition to PS5, we believe the transition is happening as we expect. So if you upgrade to PS5 basically there will be upside in the software purchases we see that as an opportunity. As for the risk for third party software for PC, we don't see that as a risk and we haven't seen that as a trend emerging."
Everyone should note, that the entire conversation was about third party software only.
Reizo Ryuu
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Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
I literally switched to PC from Playstation and that's where I have been playing their games, but ok.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Playstation are not the only developer making new games....
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[Sigma]
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All those 4 friends I mentioned bought PS5s at the beginning of the gen and all are sold now. People are switching, to what degree idunno.
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Puscifer
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You aren't wrong. Not having to pay for online is why my PS 5 has collected dust since Ragnarok. Turned it on for 2 hours just to play the Stellar Blade demo, I think the next time I even will play it is for GTA 6 and Death Stranding
kaizenkko
Member
The ideia that porting first-party games for PC will crush Playstation sales is just nonsense. Xbox don't failed because of that, it fail because a lot of reasons. Since the last gen 99% of the games can be played on PC, with all the supposed benefits (free multiplayer, mods, etc), but somehow PS4 still sold 120 millions units and even Xbox sold 60 millions.
mayham2199
Member
Why change anything? Their current strategy is clearly working and brining them in more money then they've ever made.
laynelane
Member
I'm not sure I agree with that. Even I, a long time PS fan, have thought of switching. Even though I very rarely purchase PS+, it bothers me to pay for online functionality as the main reason why. The only reason I don't switch is cost and physical ownership of games. For people who don't have those considerations, it's possible they will just make the jump. As well, I can see it not being an issue now, but the long-term impact (if there is one) will be interesting to see.
Last Hearth
Member
Also Sony in 1975: Betamax Facing No Threat Of Users Switching To VHS, Says Sony.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
day&date will make them more $$$$. helldivers 2 is an indication of that. launch hype helps sales a lor
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Steam’s concurrent player count has more than doubled since February 2020 (pre-pandemic). I think it’s pretty damn naive to pretend that PC gaming has had no impact on PlayStation.
PC ate up all the growth while PlayStation barely held on to their existing base and Xbox tanked.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Just like people will forget they now make enough to buy a PC? And what is so convenient about a console? For me it is something I need to fire up after letting it sit for 6-10 months, then update the system, then the controllers and then finally get to play the game I wanted. Not convenient at all.
Nobody's switching fellas, but keep up your lost cause. Maybe people will forget convenience and price exist.
Fabieter
Member
That was also the case before they started porting games over. They can keep evolve this to make even more money.
bender
What time is it?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
That literally makes no sense considering early 2023 Sony mentioned over 30% of the users that had bought a PS5 were new users...
AtomicStarving
Member
A lot of PC gamers have a PS5 in their living room
Everything turns into xbox like Agent Smith.
ThatPolishGuy
Member
Just switched to PC, instead of buying PS5 Pro... My base is collecting dust, just keeping it for exclusives.
DaleinCalgary
Member
They checked the video card prices.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
NeoGAF was wrong...again?
King Dazzar
Member
Well done. I started listening to it and lost the will due to translation. And you found the specific bits too. So hats off.
Stockholder question:
"Looking at games, especially in the second half, in the third party software lineup, not compatible to the PS4, but some new titles are only compatible with PS5. There has been an increase in the number of that. What is the thinking behind that? Are you expecting an acceleration of transition from PS4 to PS5? Or, and of course we are talking about third party, and those users with the PC and PS4, they might be able to purchase the software for PC and there might be a risk. How do you view the risks and opportunities?"
Totoki:
"The third party lineup only for PS5. You said there might be an increase in the number of the titles, but because of the timing and because of the late stage of the console cycle and naturally we have more titles for PS5. But the transition to PS5, we believe the transition is happening as we expect. So if you upgrade to PS5 basically there will be upside in the software purchases we see that as an opportunity. As for the risk for third party software for PC, we don't see that as a risk and we haven't seen that as a trend emerging."
Everyone should note, that the entire conversation was about third party software only.
Stockholder question:
"Looking at games, especially in the second half, in the third party software lineup, not compatible to the PS4, but some new titles are only compatible with PS5. There has been an increase in the number of that. What is the thinking behind that? Are you expecting an acceleration of transition from PS4 to PS5? Or, and of course we are talking about third party, and those users with the PC and PS4, they might be able to purchase the software for PC and there might be a risk. How do you view the risks and opportunities?"
Totoki:
"The third party lineup only for PS5. You said there might be an increase in the number of the titles, but because of the timing and because of the late stage of the console cycle and naturally we have more titles for PS5. But the transition to PS5, we believe the transition is happening as we expect. So if you upgrade to PS5 basically there will be upside in the software purchases we see that as an opportunity. As for the risk for third party software for PC, we don't see that as a risk and we haven't seen that as a trend emerging."
Everyone should note, that the entire conversation was about third party software only.
I would say that this should be added to the OP but people only read the title & start commenting
Topher
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jm89
Member
Nope.
Sony claims nearly 30% of active PS5 users ‘never used PS4’ | VGC
The company believes this shows it continues to acquire new players…
www.videogameschronicle.com
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March Climber
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I know you're being sarcastic, but for anyone who actually feels this way, what would be the proper 'unthreatened' answer for him to give in response?That sounds just like what someone feeling threatened would say…
PurePlatinum
Member
I think the concerns about PC gaming taking over the console space are pretty overblown but it doesn't mean you don't need to keep your eyes open and be careful. Cost of entry and ease of use are the primary roadblocks and those are both solvable problems.
The truth is that people always point to steam #s and claim that PC gaming is massive, but I think this is slightly misleading. The number of people playing games like League, DoTA, CS2, Valorant...etc, these numbers are large on PC because most every PC can play these games with some degree of proficiency. People with 10-year old laptops in Russia are playing these games. These are the kinds of games that MOST PC people are playing every day.
This is very different from the market that is going to have the kind of rig capable of playing Cyberpunk/Horizon. I think those numbers are much more limited, and that's the market that the console makers will continue to hold onto.
But again, this could all change very quickly if Valve decided to step in with an easy to use solution that didn't cost a premium over the currently available consoles.
The truth is that people always point to steam #s and claim that PC gaming is massive, but I think this is slightly misleading. The number of people playing games like League, DoTA, CS2, Valorant...etc, these numbers are large on PC because most every PC can play these games with some degree of proficiency. People with 10-year old laptops in Russia are playing these games. These are the kinds of games that MOST PC people are playing every day.
This is very different from the market that is going to have the kind of rig capable of playing Cyberpunk/Horizon. I think those numbers are much more limited, and that's the market that the console makers will continue to hold onto.
But again, this could all change very quickly if Valve decided to step in with an easy to use solution that didn't cost a premium over the currently available consoles.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The PC is basically universal health care...it only works if someone else does all the hard work, i.e. pays for it, while PCMR waits for hand outs.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I mean that the size of their base has remained roughly stable or slightly shrunk even as the industry as a whole has grown massively. Not that literally 100% of PS5 owners are former PS4 owners.Nope.
Sony claims nearly 30% of active PS5 users ‘never used PS4’ | VGC
The company believes this shows it continues to acquire new players…
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ReBurn
Gold Member
This is serious business.Facts. I was just sarcastically shitposting.
You do understand that PS4 is online & still part of PlayStation's base right?
Their base hasn't shrunk , all these other parts of the industry that you speak of that has grown you're adding every model that is out there together but separating PS4 & PS5.
Ass of Can Whooping
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PlayStation will die when I leave
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Topher
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