Could sony release the PS6 for less than the PS5 pro?

I think so.

Ps6 is going to be the mass market device, whilst ps5 pro is more for the enthusiasts which is a much smaller segment of the console market, so they can take a bit of risk on the price on the ps5 pro.

Although I do think Sony may not subsidise as much they did in the past, but that may depend how competitive things are when ps6 launches.
 
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Edgelord79 said:
No I missed the lessons learned meeting.
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So let me give you a crash course.

PS5 launched at up to $499. $100 more than the base PS4 and subsequent PS4pro.

They still found a way to make the PS5pro cost $200 more than that.

So if PS6 launces at up to $700... make no mistake, they will find a way to make the PS6pro, $999.

And the funny thing about pricing is, back with the PS3, Sony tried to make a $500+ console and got crucified for it. fast forward over a decade, and a $500 console didn't seem that bad anymore. People were up in arms about $700 for the pro, and yet, its rumored to be selling at the same pace the $400 PS4pro sold at. When a $700 PS6 is announced, it would be even expected, so much so that if it's announced to be starting at $600, that would be considered a deal. And then right after that, everyone would literally be expecting the PS6pro to come in at $999. And then when that comes in at $899... boom, another "deal".

Consumers are fickle.
 
midnightAI said:
Sony, historically, has always subsidised their main base next gen console and I can see the PS6 being no different.
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Sony literally raised the price of the Slim Digital $50 to reduce the loss. (At least the MSRP)

All of the games are going to be crossgen anyway. The only real reason to do a PS6 before 2030 is because they are concerned about MS's new console attracting fans because of the better performance.

That Sony didn't upgrade the CPU on the PS5 Pro looks like a terrible decision esp given the die increase wouldn't have been much.
 
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Sony literally raised the price of the Slim Digital $50 to reduce the loss. (At least the MSRP)

All of the games are going to be crossgen anyway. The only real reason to do a PS6 before 2030 is because they are concerned about MS's new console attracting fans because of the better performance.

That Sony didn't upgrade the CPU on the PS5 Pro looks like a terrible decision given the die increase wouldn't have been much.
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A terrible decision? No. A good deal of games have seen nice upgrades.

As for 2030, there will be plenty of reasons to put out a new console before that. No reason to expect the Pro to carry them another 6 years, with/without Microsoft's input.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
Sony literally raised the price of the Slim Digital $50 to reduce the loss. (At least the MSRP)

All of the games are going to be crossgen anyway. The only real reason to do a PS6 before 2030 is because they are concerned about MS's new console attracting fans because of the better performance.

That Sony didn't upgrade the CPU on the PS5 Pro looks like a terrible decision esp given the die increase wouldn't have been much.
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2028 at the latest

And yes, I agree they increased the slim price, but the slim isn't the base next gen released console (the console at launch) and the slim isn't increased $50 (equivalent) globally and that isn't to reduce the loss, its to increase the profit, the PS5 was profitable 1 yr after release.
 
midnightAI said:
the PS5 was profitable 1 yr after release.
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Sony only said that the disc model was close to break even at that point, not the Digital. That was before inflation took over too.

And their financial reports said they were losing money on the PS5 enough to mention it until basically the price hike.
 
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PS6 wouldn't be an optional upgrade like a mid-gen, I think it would be in their best interest to sell it at the lowest possible price

Problem is we don't know what economy for these electronic components will be like 4 years from now....

It could be worse or better....

They still have to find a way to provide a generational upgrade while keeping the best price to attract consumers.

It's not an easy task, if you ask me...
 
I think the ps6 will be at most 20-21 tf.
CPU will be stronger than what we have and we'll have PSSR 2.0 for sure.

If they can keep the cost at $599 with a disc drive and $499 digital that'll be amazing.
 
Edmund said:
I think the ps6 will be at most 20-21 tf.
CPU will be stronger than what we have and we'll have PSSR 2.0 for sure.

If they can keep the cost at $599 with a disc drive and $499 digital that'll be amazing.
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Would for sure cause an uproar. Many will just look at the teraflops and ignore everything else.

That said, considering that's not a very big theoretical jump, I doubt it. You're basically going from the PS5 to the Pro.
 
The other consideration is power consumption. I don't know how high they want to go... but it feels like decently better performance is going to require decently more power too.
 
100% will. It's crazy to see how braindead a console can make people be. People lose all sense of what it is that's actually been released. The Pro has really brought out the stupid in people.
 
It would be nice if Sony could keep the price around $600 to $650. The Playstation is a platform, and if people can't afford the upgrade, they will just stay on the previous gen. That would encourage more gross gen games and justification for game componies to upchrage for the "next gen" versions of their games.

It probably going to happen anyway, but if it's cheaper, I feel like it would transition the gen faster at least.
 
Not trolling - I want future consoles to be mondo expensive if it means we get a significant jump in power and I don't have to upgrade halfway through the gen to keep up with things.

The market is such that you just aren't going to get a big badass new machine for $400/$500 anymore. It's not happening. Let me pay a bunch of money and get something wild and different. I apologize for the general market that can't afford it, but I'm sick of being held back by this.
 
HeWhoWalks said:
Would for sure cause an uproar. Many will just look at the teraflops and ignore everything else.

That said, considering that's not a very big theoretical jump, I doubt it. You're basically going from the PS5 to the Pro.
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And thats exactly why will not cost 499-599

It will be 699.

Or two SKUS. Witch I really think is more probable for next gen.

They must have a cheaper option but also must have a generational leap over the pro. Two skus just feels right at the current scenario
 
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Bernardougf said:
And thats exactly why will not cost 499-599

It will be 699.

Or two SKUS. Witch I really think is more probable for next gen.

They must have a cheaper option but also must have a generational leap over the pro. Two skus just feels right at the current scenario
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I expect exactly what I said. A $499 option with no disc, $599 with one.
 
HeWhoWalks said:
Would for sure cause an uproar. Many will just look at the teraflops and ignore everything else.

That said, considering that's not a very big theoretical jump, I doubt it. You're basically going from the PS5 to the Pro.
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It's just gonna be really rough. The PCMR and console warriors will have a field day bashing the ps6 if the price is too high or if the Teraflops aren't high enough.
 
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what does that mean?
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Have you not seen all the PCMR people being disingenuous trying to build a $700 pc that outperforms a ps5 pro? Basically all gaming media have been bashing the pro non stop and people trying to pocket watch playstation fans who just want to enjoy their new console.


Even I have been pocket watched by several of my friends even though I earn enough money as a piano teacher.

I have never before in my life seen people pocket watch when others buy the latest iPhone or high end Graphics card. But the pro has everyone concerned about playstation fans getting a pro. I've never seen this amount of stupid behaviour before in my life.
 
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Edmund said:
Have you not seen all the PCMR people being disingenuous trying to build a $700 pc that outperforms a ps5 pro? Basically all gaming media have been bashing the pro non stop and people trying to pocket watch playstation fans who just want to enjoy their new console.


Even I have been pocket watched by several of my friends even though I earn enough money as a piano teacher.

I have never before in my life seen people pocket watch when others buy the latest iPhone or high end Graphics card. But the pro has everyone concerned about playstation fans getting a pro. I've never seen this amount of stupid behaviour before in my life.
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Oh I get you. This has always been a thing for Linus etc because it's easy hits even though he cheats with used parts :messenger_grinning_smiling:

People who want a console don't want a PC setup and it's hard for them to understand. Just ignore them.
 
If they can refine the PISSER I think there's a great chance of being between $499-$599. Cause at this rate, these consoles will be priced like smartphones and become largely unaffordable without their "financing" structure.
 
itsjustJEFF said:
If they can refine the PISSER I think there's a great chance of being between $499-$599. Cause at this rate, these consoles will be priced like smartphones and become largely unaffordable without their "financing" structure.
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The thing is these new consoles are not toys like the old days
 
Sony just did an interview recently where they admitted the Pro was priced high because it is aimed at hardcore gamers.

That means there is room to sell for cheaper (by Sony eating the cost) but it's not necessary for Pro consoles.

So yes, the PS6 will be cheaper.
 
Calico345 said:
Remember when Sony told people they can work more hours to afford a PS3? They only caught up and surpassed Xbox by the end of the gen after console prices dropped. $600 is not going to be accepted by the masses.
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We're in 2024 where a $700 game console is flying off the shelves here.
 
ArtHands said:
We're in 2024 where a $700 game console is flying off the shelves here.
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We're in 2024 where a $700 game console is flying off scalpers' hands at a loss.

This isn't the mainline console generation release at a cheaper price. This is a niche console that no one asked for. Don't confuse the whales and the brand fanatics and technophiles with the masses. Even Sony's CFO said that the PS5 Pro is for the niche market. Remember when Forza charged $59.99 for a game release, and then charged $50 for one car within the game? Yes, people bought it. Yes, it was optional. Does that mean that we should see more $50 cars in $60 games? Did that make it reasonable? No and no.

But you go ahead and support more than $500 for a major home console release product. The market is not ready to bear that price for what we will get for the price. Sony might be greedy and egotistical enough to charge $600 or more for the PlayStation 6, but that doesn't mean that it is A. reasonable, and B. going to be successful at that price. Affordability and convenience are what make the home console market tick. For people who have the money for better technology, and who are willing to deal with the PC space, gaming PC's exist. At $600 for a home console, it better have a hard drive, stand, and deliver solid technology beyond what the PS5 and the PS5 Pro are capable of, and it better do it flawlessly. If not, Sony's position in the console space will be tied for second with Xbox at best, and in third place at worst.
 
Calico345 said:
We're in 2024 where a $700 game console is flying off scalpers' hands at a loss.

This isn't the mainline console generation release at a cheaper price. This is a niche console that no one asked for. Don't confuse the whales and the brand fanatics and technophiles with the masses. Even Sony's CFO said that the PS5 Pro is for the niche market. Remember when Forza charged $59.99 for a game release, and then charged $50 for one car within the game? Yes, people bought it. Yes, it was optional. Does that mean that we should see more $50 cars in $60 games? Did that make it reasonable? No and no.

But you go ahead and support more than $500 for a major home console release product. The market is not ready to bear that price for what we will get for the price. Sony might be greedy and egotistical enough to charge $600 or more for the PlayStation 6, but that doesn't mean that it is A. reasonable, and B. going to be successful at that price. Affordability and convenience are what make the home console market tick. For people who have the money for better technology, and who are willing to deal with the PC space, gaming PC's exist. At $600 for a home console, it better have a hard drive, stand, and deliver solid technology beyond what the PS5 and the PS5 Pro are capable of, and it better do it flawlessly. If not, Sony's position in the console space will be tied for second with Xbox at best, and in third place at worst.
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Scalpers is making loss, while Sony is experiencing better sales compared to PS4 Pro. Most of PS fans are brand fanatics.

If people are fine paying for online and $70 i struggle to see the reason to stop pushing up the price.

It is highly unlikely the PS6 will cost cheaper yet more powerful than the PS5
 
Unlikely. We're about four years out from the PS6 as it is. Adjusted for inflation, the $599.99 the PS3 launched at would cost $939.46 today. So the PS5 Pro is significantly cheaper than the PS3 was after adjusting for inflation.

Pushing things ahead another 4 years, $779.98 (PS5 Pro + disc drive add on) would be worth considerably less than it is today, making that price point seem a better bargain. We suffered such crippling inflation during the Covid era that even if we assume inflation is brought to a standstill, money is just worth less now than it was when the base PS5 launched.

The disc included PS5 at $499.99 would cost $609.82 if launched today. That's a massive reduction in purchasing power in only four years.

So no, I don't see any reality in which the PS6 launches at a lower price point than the PS5 Pro has. Unless Sony elects to go the XSS route and have an underpowered SKU. That could probably be done for a lower rate. But if we're talking a fully powered next gen system? I'd start setting aside a small amount of money each month now if you want it at launch. $20 a month would net you more than enough by the time it launches.
 
I don't think some here understand what a mass market machine is.

It has to be relatively cheap, yes that means sacrificing power, but that has always been the case. Pro consoles get away with it because the base machine exists. Could they release two consoles at launch? They could, but then there are issues with development, it will actually cost more (or take Sony much longer to break even IF they subsidised as they can't order more of the exact same chips), and they will have the constant bad press of 'held back' by the lesser sku. I'm sure Sony, even Nintendo will be having these conversations as to which route to take as a natural part of their next gen development process.

So, again, I expect a similar-ish price to the current base PS5, around £500 (I'm switching to £ as we don't know what will happen with imported consoles into the US if they will jump up in price by up to 40%, hopefully that doesn't happen. Would benefit MS though if they can manufacture locally but that's a different conversation)
 
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Come On Tars said:
I forgot how expensive ps3 was. Why was that?
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Because it cost almost $800 to manufacture (aka it was crazy value for the user: one of the best Blu-Ray players around when the components were scarce, packed in large HDD, packed in WiFi and Ethernet, Memory Stick/SD/Compact Flash reader and USB ports, SACD playback, PS1 and PS2 HW BC, etc…).
 
HeWhoWalks said:
I expect exactly what I said. A $499 option with no disc, $599 with one.
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They will need to be careful not to make PS6 underpowered compared to PS5 Pro but also not to make the Pro look like a complete rip-off in comparison.

Although perhaps the latter is the key, they discovered the same truth Apple knows, some fans do not mind being ripped off to have the latest and greatest early. Actually some enjoy the higher price to sort of separate the few elite from the rest, getting the high priced entry preview to the road to PS6 sort of.
It might work, sort of like PS6 Pro being priced high compared to PS7 and still being eclipsed by PS7 a few years later.

PS5 Pro commanding a premium (on exponential scale) for bringing a preview of PS6 tech (AI, next-gen RT, etc…) and bruteforcing the console overall (while delivering a smaller and lighter package compared to PS5, this bit is still mind blowing) thus commanding a premium.

PS6 is where they afford a clean architecture break or more of a discontinuity with BC support being a bit more in software than in HW: you can expect for the PS6 console to run PS5 and PS5 Pro titles as good if not usually clearly better than on those machines but to possibly choose a very different set of architectural constraints: new CPU architecture (different arch, different clock speed, different arrangement of cores, extended ISA, etc…), new memory hierarchy (maybe 3D VCache for the whole SoC), new co-processors/custom HW, and new GPU family, etc…

I think the $399-499 no Disc drive and $499-599w/ Disc drive are the two main SKUs for PS6 with no other meaningful HW difference (the XSX and XSS models choice was not particularly good of a choice IMHO). Maybe for the embedded internal SSD the two models may differ with Sony selling a more expensive model with a larger SSD (heck they could disable 8K output in the base model just to segment their product line better). This would still allow them to sell a PS6 Pro later.
 
All depends what we gonna get in the ps6, hardware wise, like many ppl mentioned holidays 2028 is still 4 years away, inflation and overall hardware/electronics prices will be super nasty in 4 long fucking years, on top sony decided to never sell their consoles under the cost again(maybe coz of scalpers, maybe coz they like money a lot, who wouldnt;p) so lowest we can expect is 599$, highest probably 999$ but again all depends what hardware that console gonna get.
 
Is OP retarded or is this just a bait post for engagement? Of course Sony's mainstream console will be cheaper than the pro. The disc drive being included or not is debatable for sure though.
 
The PS4 Pro was a bigger upgrade than you're making it sound like. It had twice the compute units and a higher clock speed, resulting in 4.2TF raw GPU performance vs 1.84TF for the original PS4. Much bigger upgrade than the PS5 Pro (not counting the ML hardware (?) used for PSSR).
 
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I think the ps6 price will be defined by two areas

The node or nodes used (and power v density) against what they have now in both the slim which I think is 6nm and the pro which was rumoured to be on 4np (still 5nm really).

Is the pro cost more more down to using a newer, smaller more expensive process node ?)

And can Sony manage the 'generational leap' within their power budget. (Pretty sure they will go with some form of infinity cache this time, ml hardware or npu, larger lower level caches ?, etc)

You can see the limits with the pro and the slightly downgraded upper limit on speed at 60 cus against 36 cus at a slightly faster max speed (and I'm sure the gpu can switch on the pro, to run the clocks and cus that the regular amateur does)

Will that mean 80 or 100 cus of rdna/udna X counts as the next generation ? (With obvious cpu and core counts, memory and all the other bits under the hood improvements to bandwidth or speed, or cache sizes)

Does this mean that new consoles are really tied to 3np nm or even a variant of 2 nm ? Once they become available and affordable to make leaps in power management against density and all for around a chip close to what they have on the slim and pro now ?)
 
In 2024 dollars or 2027 dollars? I wouldn't be surprised if inflation starts picking up again soon, like in the seventies. The nice thing about having a money printer is that the plebs are always angry at the people wanting more of the devalued currencies for their goods and services.
 
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The PS6 will cost less than the PS5 Pro because it will be a product for the masses and they can't break into the mass market with a price point of $699 or more at launch.
 
PS6 will cost the same as the Pro, so 699 without disc drive. They will however keep the base PS5 and Pro available all generation long for the cheaper options. That way they don't have to subsizide the PS6 to get players into the generation, they have the cheaper machines available for that. Probably means we won't get true next gen games until the PS7 releases but this gen we've seen such a small increment in graphical fidelity from the best of the PS4 that it'll be even harder to spot in the next gen unless something like A.I takes us to a new paradigm shift in rendering.
 
rofif said:
no.
it's 2024 and inflation is a thing. 700$ is just fine
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While I don't think its "fine"….. I find it completely plausible that it would 600. And they probably sell at a loss. All this talk of diminishing returns/ moors law etc. how much more does it cost to have next gen games running next gen graphic engines like UE6 at 4k60FPS? And will next gen be hamstrung by this gen?… again?


I'm starting to think the whole console model is broken, even the upgrade paths…. Limited to mid gen refreshes that are stuck with the same CPUs… expensive for what they are y and still underperform on the latest games. PC never has any of these problems.



I never imagined there would be a time when games consoles costed more than 399, but here we are. The thing I'm concerned about is what this means for getting new/ younger generations of game are into console gaming. And for people on low wages, consoles north of 400 is a tall order. Maybe that's what kids just like tablets these days….. their parents are not buying them a console, a handheld and a computer….. they just buy a tablet to do all three…

I don't see a future for consoles as they get closer and closer to PCs. And compact PCs and Mac mini's with M4 chips are just waiting to replace consoles all together at 700 upwards.
 
RickMasters said:
While I don't think its "fine"….. I find it completely plausible that it would 600. And they probably sell at a loss. All this talk of diminishing returns/ moors law etc. how much more does it cost to have next gen games running next gen graphic engines like UE6 at 4k60FPS? And will next gen be hamstrung by this gen?… again?


I'm starting to think the whole console model is broken, even the upgrade paths…. Limited to mid gen refreshes that are stuck with the same CPUs… expensive for what they are y and still underperform on the latest games. PC never has any of these problems.



I never imagined there would be a time when games consoles costed more than 399, but here we are. The thing I'm concerned about is what this means for getting new/ younger generations of game are into console gaming. And for people on low wages, consoles north of 400 is a tall order. Maybe that's what kids just like tablets these days….. their parents are not buying them a console, a handheld and a computer….. they just buy a tablet to do all three…

I don't see a future for consoles as they get closer and closer to PCs. And compact PCs and Mac mini's with M4 chips are just waiting to replace consoles all together at 700 upwards.
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I would prefer to be limited than to have too many optional console upgrades inside a single gen. Then it's no longer a console.
The beauty of a console is not having to give a f for 5-8 years
 
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