Pedro Motta
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This deal was so massive even Chad Warden is now an Xbox fan.
Breaking: Microsoft to acquire Activision-Blizzard in near 70$ billion deal
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lastmessiah
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It's not like it would be that difficult. I have little doubt that this is coming.
SportsFan581
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This. If they could get Keyboard and Mouse working with the Xbox app on PC:
You could totally stream RTS games and the like on potato PCs and laptops then. Plus, Xbox support would be good as well.
The Fartist
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Nobody was talking about how much money it makes for ACTIVISION. Because we already know it makes Fortnite levels of dough, everyone and their mom knows that. What we were discussing was the person I was replying to (which you then replied to the dude replying to me about my reply to another dude… lol) Saying COD isn't a #1 staple game of PlayStation. He was saying it sold 10-15 million copies out of a player base of 140 million, I then corrected his bad math by saying you should've multipled that number with EACH YEARLY COD. He was acting like there's only one COD game per gen when in reality there's like 8. The dude YOU replied to took said bad maths man's logic, applied it with the correct equation and got like 110 million or something.
Also either way, most gamers buy 1-4 games per generation. We've just told you literally almost ALL of the PS user base has played a cod game at some point, regardless if they buy duplicates aka a cod fan, that just shows how Powerful the brand is.
Regardless, it's the top 3, hell top 2 most played and bought games on any console, I only think fiffa beats it and Fortnite obviously is free to play with no boxed sales so it doesn't count. It is more likely it has hit those number than hasn't, feel me?
yurinka
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No, I mentioned it multiple times. Around 10-15M PS4 sold units per game. In fact I've been generous mentioning 20-30M for all platforms combined because the ones selling 30M or almost are from 2015 or before.
So since they release one per year basically also means 10-15M per year, but I was talking about users and not units old rounding a bit up to include some new players of the later ones or the ones who players the first ones and left. It doesn't make sense to multiply it for all the years because it would be as if all players would buy only a single CoD and wouldn't buy another CoD again which obviously isn't the case.
While even if it may happen that a player buy 1 only CoD, if a series have a pretty steady amount of sales entry after entry it means that most of the users are fans of these series who keep buying it entry after entry, so there is a low rate of new users. Which is common in very long series and the reason of why long series end decreasing sales game after game until they are done: players leaving the series while not compensated by new ones.
As of now CoD is healthy, keeps a steady amount of sales that even if declining is still very high.
I didn't add the warzone numbers first because they weren't where I found the units sold of the other ones and even less per platform and second because they won't shut down games that are already there, in the case CoD would go exclusive would be the new yearly games, not the F2P.
In fact, according what they said (what they said for Minecraft and Zenimax back them) they will continue supporting/updating it on PS, as they did with Minecraft or the Zenimax GaaS. So it's pretty much confirmed that Warzone will continue on PS.
I never said this or something similar.
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Good article
Monopoly money: is Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard good for gaming?
The company’s bottomless appetite for new acquisitions is creating a megalith where the art of the deal is threatening the art – and heart – of the gamewww.theguardian.com
Microsoft sees games as content. It seems not so much interested in creating games – or selling consoles – as owning where and how we play them.
Games ARE content, and MS is invested in making games.
They don't need to own where and how you play their games. That's a ridiculous notion. When you stream their games on your TV via xCloud, do they own your TV? And you'll be able to use xCloud with a PlayStation controller that they absolutely don't own.
When you play their games on Steam, they don't own your computer.
SenjutsuSage
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Kagey K
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fart town usa
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Nah, Chad Daddy has enough cash to buy individual games at $70 a pop.
Baaaaallllliiiiiiiiiiin'
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Good point. Me too. I don't want the GamePass option on Playstation to be streaming only.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Personally think GP on Playstation is just a non-starter, will never happen.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I was talking about subscription services.
NickFire
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I am not swayed by the scandal being the issue for two reasons. The first is that it overlapped with an incredibly polarizing COD that was on sale early and for a long period of time, and followed all sorts of news about WoW changing things to make it a better fit for modern audiences. The second is that they could have relieved one guy of his position and taken a victory lap of adulation in both enthusiast and general press. They passed on that chance though, which suggests to me they did not attribute that as their primary concern based on internal data they have.MS made those investors "almost whole" compared to the stock price pre-scandal. I completely agree this was a "money situation"NickFire I just have no clue how you can separate the scandal from the "money situation." The only "money" that matters is the stock price, and the scandal continuously caused it to drop off... if you fire your CEO you are still "Activision", the brand has a stink to it.. the brand is now gone.
Come to think of it, if the scandal was even a slightly motivating factor, wouldn't they be negligent for not clearing that up before selling? The higher the stock price, the higher the sale price.
JimRyanGOAT
Member
The crazy thing is you know Microsofts not done
That partnership they have with Sega & EA is just a slower acquisition
That partnership they have with Sega & EA is just a slower acquisition
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Which will require streaming on non native hardware. Which it looks like ms wants to get to.
JimRyanGOAT
Member
I wonder if we'll see any major changes from Activision?
Like pulling off developers from other projects to work on exclusives for Xbox?
Or bi-yearly COD releases?
Bringing back lost franchises?
They gotta do something with that 80 billion right?
Like pulling off developers from other projects to work on exclusives for Xbox?
Or bi-yearly COD releases?
Bringing back lost franchises?
They gotta do something with that 80 billion right?
JimRyanGOAT
Member
And another thing
There really isn't any company Sony could buy to rival Zenimax & Activision except EA, but only Microsoft can afford EA and they'll be the ones to buy them imo
People say Take-Two, but other than Rockstar who drops a game per every decade take two really doesn't offer much
And all key players that built past GTA games have left Rockstar, and all leaks point to GTA 6 being a disaster with an identity crisis
not worth it imo
There really isn't any company Sony could buy to rival Zenimax & Activision except EA, but only Microsoft can afford EA and they'll be the ones to buy them imo
People say Take-Two, but other than Rockstar who drops a game per every decade take two really doesn't offer much
And all key players that built past GTA games have left Rockstar, and all leaks point to GTA 6 being a disaster with an identity crisis
not worth it imo
dem
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Do people actually play streamed games? I feel like most people don't have the connections to make it good enough to REALLY play.
I know with my connection, I find xcloud useful for firing up a game for a few minutes to see if it interests me. That's about it.
I feel like its a neat party trick more than anything. For now, anyway.
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nemiroff
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I'm so confused.., is Gamepass exclusives even a thing?
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StreetsofBeige
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Like my mention of Linkedin at $26 billion, you should care more about enjoying the product than worrying about whether MS's balance sheet can absorb Bethesda or Activision.
Relax.
Call of Duty isn't disappearing from PS systems anytime soon. Minecraft, Doom and Skyrim havent either from PS stores.
If it makes you feel better, you can pretend in your head Xbox is spun off as a separate company and just filed an application for Chapter 7 liquidation. But if you still want to face reality, you just got to accept MS has money because they are successful and money talks. As many of us lectured some of you way back, the parent company is the one who dictates where money goes - not the divisions.
And if Nadella wants to use profits from Azure and selling copies of MS Office for Activision, too bad. Their money, they do what they want.
And for a random no name forum poster, you are in no position to dictate to any business what they do with their money.
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dem
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Maybe you're right. It wasn't very good when I tried it though. The input lag was really noticeable.
IntentionalPun
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Replacing a CEO who is on contract is not some simple/overnight thing, and doesn't remotely guarantee much at all. Either does some long-term plan to try to fix the brand, they already made those plans and it did nothing to stem the dropping of the stock price.
Yes COD sales negative stories making the rounds effects short term... but you also see it start falling after the California lawsuit, and you can see a direct drop-off after it was rebounding on the November 16th WSJ article dropped about Kotick.
The company itself has major issues due to the scandal; retaining talent, attracting new talent.. the brand is toxic, and the workplace issues are considered toxic. Financially the company was doing.. well.. great.
BTW both Bloomberg and the WSJ seem to agree with me.. so there's that.
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OmegaSupreme
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Way to dodge the question. How many people are streaming games compared to download?
Kagey K
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No. But people are trying to will them into existence for some wierd reason.
a multicultural team of v
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Ok yes that is a confusing chain of responses lol... but I still don't get the logic of straight multiplying 14 million by the number of COD games and that is how many Playstation users played COD. It isn't 14 million new gamers each year that buy COD, its likely more like I said (if we assume 14 million sales) - 10 million repeats and 4 million casual that buy it occasionally or once. The math is probably more like 10 million + 4x8 = 42 million total players who have played COD during a generation, but likely half of that actually bought more than one or two COD games.
I mean, it is still a really really large amount of people.
Kagey K
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EA doesn't seem worth it to me as most of their value comes from the annual sports titles and those license owners are never going to agree to exclusive games. Same with Take 2 after GTA the next most valuable thing is NBA and it will be forced to remain multiplat.
I think someone like WB could be a good value (only if the attached licenses came with it, and we have heard rumblings they don't) or something like Embracer or THQ to fill out some quality AA IPs.
NickFire
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I don't put much stock in media narratives on this issue because I don't think many would even dream of saying that the design choices in question hurt the company's bottom line, regardless of how severe or not severe the effect was. But that does not mean they are wrong any more than it would mean I am right.
On that note, I wish you well cause I have to get back to work. One thing I bet we can agree on, is news like this can really screw up the productivity of people who follow it. Talk about a MEGATON!
HoofHearted
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StreetsofBeige
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EA's sports are also heavily regionalist too making it riskier. And if FIFA somehow bombs, nothing else they have comes close.
At least with COD, Diablo and whatever other franchises Activision has their games seem to span well across console and PC and different regions of the world. And Activision's key franchises (along with WOW subs) there seems to be more heavy hitters. EA seems more console focused which increases risk too. A bunch of their sports games dont even release on PC.
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sainraja
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I don't really care for this argument but you should really listen to yourself here — the examples you are using to support your point is silly lol. They might not own the controller you play with so therefore not a monopoly!
I mean, really? LOL
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Do you mean Call of Duty?
It's a single game in a yearly series.. still the #1 selling game in the US for 2021... the #2 game in the US? BLOPS: Cold War.. their game from 2020.
The best selling COD ever? Well that would be MW of 2019, over 30 million sold.
The 2022 COD? That would be the follow-up, Modern Warfare 2...2 lol
Yes stock markets react to bad sales news, they reacted to the news of OW2 and DIablo 4 being delayed.. they also generally react to positive financial releases, which Activision had all year, but.. the stock just kept trending down. Anyone watching the market says it's because of the scandal, not some long term financial prospect.
ChuckeRearmed
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MS loves big conferences so much that it will collect publishers to have its own E3
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Thats nonsense from Panello. Sony built up these studios by funding their games when they were just starting out.
That is completely different from acquiring entire publishers that are on the Nasdaq worth $50 billion.
sainraja
Member
He's privileged so he's going to say that. Being able to play games natively on a console so far is the best way to play them.
Conveniently ignoring that most of these developers were working directly with Sony or were funded by them and most of the games they made were only for their platforms.
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freefornow
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Yeah, but how many more Wednesdays is it going to take?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The goal isnt to offer more games to their consumers. CoD was always coming to Xbox and PC. The goal is either put Gamepass on Playstation or to put Playstation out of business.
They couldve easily invested $1-2 billion on growing their internal studios, or $20 billion on Capcom, SE and Ubisoft combined, but that would not have been a death kneel. This puts Sony in a position where they have to play ball. Sony cannot survive without CoD. At least not as a console jaggernaut. And Phil knows that.
P.S MS did try to organically grow their first party. They signed devs like Playground games, Ninja Theory and Obsidian, and created internal studios like the Initiative but nothing came of it. 3 years later they still launched without an exclusive and spent an entire year waiting for one. It became pretty clear that they simply cannot beat Sony on first party alone so they went after Zenimax and Activision. It's the oldest trick in the book. Sony did with MGS, FF and GTA way back in the day. Now MS is showing them you dont buy exclusives, you buy the airline.
onesvenus
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There's a subtle difference between thinking they won't be able to keep growing and not seeing a future for themselves
xpresstuning
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Well, that happened. Now all that's left is for them to buy EA.
Goalus
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OK, so you're saying most of these developers had de facto been bought already by Sony before they were bought in the legal sense.
dotnotbot
Member
Duh, Sony made acquisitions as well, water is wet, question is how many of their exclusive franchises were available prior to acquisition on other platforms? Practically none (don't try to convince me Wipeout is relevant now)
Sony doesn't create studios but they create own franchises, that's the point.
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sainraja
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Not sure what you mean but I was just pointing out that most of the developers Sony has acquired were already in an exclusive working relationship with Sony — in other words, most of the work they did as a game studio was for Sony.
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