Senua
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Middle end!?!?!
AMD: Radeon 7900XTX ($999) & 7900XT ($899) Announced | Available December 13th
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
From what I can tell, it's a nice value, but will probably fall short of the 4090 in pure top performance, but that doesn't really matter for people looking for a reasonable price/performance card at the high end. Good showing.
They didn't imply that. They said, the best GPU -- under 1000.
LiquidMetal14
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According to the Hamersnexua video, AMD did some tricky math on the 8k being misleading as it wasn't a true 8k being an ultra wide 2160p resolution. The same thing Nvidia did with the 3090 and they got roasted for.
Kazekage1981
Member
I think they will be pretty much on par with 4090 performance with 3-D V-cache RDNA 3 early next year. These 2 cards seem like appetizers, and you are waiting for the main course to come....
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
GHG
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Yep there's still room for another card in the product stack if the rumours are to be believed (which they should be because they were spot on for the 2 cards announced today).
They are probably waiting to see what Nvidia do next year with any potential 4080 ti or even a 4090 ti before making their move. With their current product stack they have all bases covered so they can sit back and wait.
01011001
Banned
AMD really was basically forced to price their cards below 1000 bucks.
they are ridiculous in terms of raster performance at that price for sure, but their raytracing literally became worse comparatively... they didn't even keep the performance delta vs Nvidia the same, they lost ground with this generation.
the XTX is a solid card tho, due to the amount of CUs basically brute forcing current games that support Raytracing to be in a relatively decent spot in terms of performance.
the power consumption and card size also help the card.
all in all, the cards are disappointing in terms of technology, but surprisingly good in terms of pricing and power consumption.
they are ridiculous in terms of raster performance at that price for sure, but their raytracing literally became worse comparatively... they didn't even keep the performance delta vs Nvidia the same, they lost ground with this generation.
the XTX is a solid card tho, due to the amount of CUs basically brute forcing current games that support Raytracing to be in a relatively decent spot in terms of performance.
the power consumption and card size also help the card.
all in all, the cards are disappointing in terms of technology, but surprisingly good in terms of pricing and power consumption.
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MidGenRefresh
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If you consider 4090 high-end then this is middle-end.
Hawking Radiation
Member
I'm sold. My next card
To Nvidia I say this
To Nvidia I say this
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
As a 4090 owner, this is great news. If these perform like it seems they do, Nvidia is getting some real competition this time around. Fantastic news for PC owners.
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DenchDeckard
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same world as £500 consoles and £550 console VR headsets.
Were there any improvements in terms of efficiency over their rdna2 in terms of their RT performance per core? They claim this is their next gen RT pipeline but from the numbers RT seems inferior to even the 3xxx series.
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M1chl
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Draugoth
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Just saw the benchmarks and specs, sadly it wont be good as the 4090, but it should give the 4080 a run for it's money
Fess
Member
Lol he did say it was marketing charts
Didn't Nvidia do something silly with the graphs too, only showing an easily missed thin line for AMD charts? It's always this way. Reviews will show the real benchmark results.
LiquidMetal14
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According to the Gamersnexus video, AMD did some tricky math on the 8k being misleading as it wasn't a true 8k being an ultra wide 2160p resolution. The same thing Nvidia did with the 3090 and they got
BattleScar
Member
At the 4080's price, the 7900 series is unequivocally better value.
SolidQ
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https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-re...tuf-series-with-triple-8-pin-power-connectors
Seems reference models like ECO mode, AIB's will push 400-450watt, which maybe will give like 15% additional
Seems reference models like ECO mode, AIB's will push 400-450watt, which maybe will give like 15% additional
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Very good pricing, makes the 4080 look even worse than it already did.
The power and clocks on these cards look very conservative, suspiciously conservative.
I can easily foresee a 450W 7950XTX 3D clocked closer to 3Ghz.
Great day for everyone not emotionally invested into NVIDIA.
The power and clocks on these cards look very conservative, suspiciously conservative.
I can easily foresee a 450W 7950XTX 3D clocked closer to 3Ghz.
Great day for everyone not emotionally invested into NVIDIA.
Fess
Member
Yup AMD will sort out this pricing craziness, Nvidia will need to go low with the "4080" and next gen things have hopefully stabilized to sane levels for everyone again. I could even see Nvidia lower the price on 4090. Depends on the review benchmarks.
LiquidMetal14
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I see, interesting. We still have differing settings as I'm running 4xMSAA too.
Guilhermegrg
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RX480 here
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yup just be in the same area code as the 4090 andI'm sold. My next card
To Nvidia I say this
SantaC
Member
5-10% slower isnt going from high end to middle end you dofus.
MidGenRefresh
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Show me the benchmarks.
chromhound
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01011001
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the RT improvements are 1.5x faster than RDNA2, that's not much... and yeah it seems like slower than RTX30.
the price of the cards is saving them tho as the sheer amount of RT accelerators in the 7900XTX amd 7900XT should be enough for decent performance over all
SantaC
Member
You can do the math from the slides...someone aleady did. 7900XTX came up 3-10% slower depending on title
COD MW2 4K
4090 = 139 fps
7900 XTX (1.5 x 6950 XT) = 133 fps
6950 XT = 89 FPS
Watch Dog Legion 4K
4090 = 105 FPS
7900 XTX = 96 FPS
Cyberpunk 2077 4K
4090 = 71.2 FPS
7900 XTX = 66.3 FPS
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Well thats rather disappointing was hoping for atleast a slight improvement over 3090ti in RT since all next gen engines are moving to RT pipelines. I don't see AMD gaining any real market share from nvidia considering the people spending 1000$ on gpu's arent going to care for weak excuses for why RT isnt important.
Even intel was competitive with 3xxx series at the same card tier at their first damn try with terrible drivers...
GHG
Gold Member
COD MW2 @ 4K
4090 = 139 fps
7900 XTX (1.5 x 6950 XT) = 133 fps
6950 XT = 89 FPS
It makes me laugh that so many people forget the 6950 XT was the best performing card in a lot of titles last gen. It's like the ray tracing performance overshadowed everything.
SolidQ
Member
More interesting when aib will show 400W+ cards and more clocked
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Here's 6950XT ray tracing #s.
AMD's slides showed 47%-84% improvement so that would put it around 22.2 - 27.8 fps on this chart. So roughly around 3090 Ti ray tracing performance.
That seems pretty decent for a $1000 GPU.
64gigabyteram
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GHG
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Here's 6950XT ray tracing #s.
AMD's slides showed 47%-84% improvement so that would put it around 22.2 - 27.8 fps on this chart. So roughly around 3090 Ti ray tracing performance.
That seems pretty decent for a $1000 GPU.
Yep, should make most ray tracing titles actually playable on AMD cards now, even more so if the game also supports FSR 2.0 or above.
octiny
Banned
Just some maths via TechPowerUp 4090 FE review (includes 6950 XT founders)
1.6x 6950 XT Doom Eternal 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 138fps vs 128fps 3090 Ti
7% faster than 3090 Ti RT (TPU benchmark removed for 4090 )
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1.5x 6950 XT Metro Exodus 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 69fps vs 72 fps 3090 Ti.
4% slower than 3090 Ti RT (55% slower than 4090)
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1.5x 6950 XT Resident Evil Village 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 126 fps vs 102fps 3090 Ti
21% faster than 3090 Ti RT (35% slower than 4090)
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1.7x 6950 XT CP2077 4K rasterization puts the 7900 XTX @ 66fps vs 72fps 4090
8.5% slower than 4090 (33% faster than 3090 Ti)
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1.5x 6950 XT Watch Dogs Legion 4K rasterization puts 7900 XTX @ 96fps vs 105fps 4090
9% slower than 4090 (34% faster than 3090 Ti)
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That said, amazing price for the 7900 XTX @ $999. Meh, for the price of the 7900 XT. $100 for the upgrade is a no brainer. 4080 16gb @ $1199 is a tough sell at this point. Already was beforehand considering how insultingly neutered to the 4090 it is.
Looking forward to seeing how far I can push the 7900 XTX past a 4090 in raster w/ MPT.
1.6x 6950 XT Doom Eternal 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 138fps vs 128fps 3090 Ti
7% faster than 3090 Ti RT (TPU benchmark removed for 4090 )
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1.5x 6950 XT Metro Exodus 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 69fps vs 72 fps 3090 Ti.
4% slower than 3090 Ti RT (55% slower than 4090)
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1.5x 6950 XT Resident Evil Village 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 126 fps vs 102fps 3090 Ti
21% faster than 3090 Ti RT (35% slower than 4090)
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1.7x 6950 XT CP2077 4K rasterization puts the 7900 XTX @ 66fps vs 72fps 4090
8.5% slower than 4090 (33% faster than 3090 Ti)
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1.5x 6950 XT Watch Dogs Legion 4K rasterization puts 7900 XTX @ 96fps vs 105fps 4090
9% slower than 4090 (34% faster than 3090 Ti)
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That said, amazing price for the 7900 XTX @ $999. Meh, for the price of the 7900 XT. $100 for the upgrade is a no brainer. 4080 16gb @ $1199 is a tough sell at this point. Already was beforehand considering how insultingly neutered to the 4090 it is.
Looking forward to seeing how far I can push the 7900 XTX past a 4090 in raster w/ MPT.
DenchDeckard
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Ffs, there's me all in on the founders edition 4090 but this card got me thinking about going with AMD for the first time in 15 years....I need real benchmarks ASAP.
Hopefully my 4090 doesn't become available before reviews. When's the embargo up?
Hopefully my 4090 doesn't become available before reviews. When's the embargo up?
The Fartist
Gold Member
So, uh, anyone wanna buy my 3070?
bentanchorbolt
Banned
$1000 for a card that is very likely competitive with the 4090 at rasterization on slightly faster at RT than a 3090 Ti.
Seems like a win to me, a big win.
Seems like a win to me, a big win.
AMD did the right choice here, these cards are by far the best deal with an excellent price/performance ratio.
1000$ just for a GPU is still a lot but at least it's reasonable for the high end market.
nVidia and their greedy CEO will finally get some competition, it's going to get more difficult for them to get rid of the 3000 series stock as well.
1000$ just for a GPU is still a lot but at least it's reasonable for the high end market.
nVidia and their greedy CEO will finally get some competition, it's going to get more difficult for them to get rid of the 3000 series stock as well.
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