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[ArtHands]

Some yes, some no. Even for the ones that are across both, you will likely see a good quality difference and that counts for the immersion.

9 out of the recently announced 11 PSVR2 titles are on or coming to Quest 2, and some of the trailers are literally copy paste from Quest 2 ones. If you insist the visual or gameplay of Tentacular or Pistol Whip is vastly better on PSVR2 I have no words for you.

 

[THE DUCK]

It's not going to do much better than psvr1. It has a finite user group, and it hasn't grown much. Until vr takes the next steps as outlined below, the vast majority of the general public won't care. And I say this as a quest 2 owner that will likely buy psvr2.

- higher resolution panels (2k per eye is still way too low for the size of display they are putting in front of us)
- increased fov
- much lighter / cooler / easier to wear
- full aaa title support. I when I say full, I mean not one or 2 games, and for the whole generation.
- wireless

 

[Three]

9 out of the recently announced 11 PSVR2 titles are on or coming to Quest 2, and some of the trailers are literally copy paste from Quest 2 ones. If you insist the visual or gameplay of Tentacular or Pistol Whip is vastly better on PSVR2 I have no words for you.

Even for something as simple looking as Pistol whip, Pistol whip on PSVR2 has 4kHDR support. Quest 2 doesn't even support HDR at all.

Not to mention field of view, res, or controller feature differences.

So i dont see how somebody saying you "would see a good quality difference and that counts for the immersion" leaves you speechless. The PSVR2 + PS5 combo is obviously going to give you better quality than a Quest 2. That's not exactly controversial.

 

[Drizzlehell]

That was a genuinely interesting analysis and it really puts things in perspective for someone like me who has a PC VR headset and was considering PSVR2 for my PS5 but didn't really follow the news on it too closely. And with those recent news about PSVR2 not being backwards compatibile with PSVR titles, well, that just sounds like a joke to me. I'm definitely the target audience for VR gaming but I can already tell that I'm gonna skip on this thing right now because the price of admission is just too steep and there's very little to show for it.

Seems like Sony just can't nail it when it comes to those extra peripherals. I remember even back in the day when PS Move came out, it didn't seem as popular as they probably wanted it to be, mostly due to lack of actual games to use it with.

 

[drezz]

9 out of the recently announced 11 PSVR2 titles are on or coming to Quest 2, and some of the trailers are literally copy paste from Quest 2 ones. If you insist the visual or gameplay of Tentacular or Pistol Whip is vastly better on PSVR2 I have no words for you.

Well too be fair, the controllers will do a bunch of lifting it above what we experience on Quest 2.
The triggers alone in Pistol Whip can be a REALLY cool addition if we look to how PS5 games have taken advantage of the triggers there.

Fidelity obviously goes up, and a prettier screen to see them will really help.
But... Vastly better its not, but surley a overall improvment;some more then others like the controllers.

Tentacular I dont know, but at least the haptic feedback would do some, to better the experience(not to mention the visuals).

A trend we will see with every game that is ported from Quest 2 coming forward.

Still going to need a lot of games for PSVR2.
Im hoping we see some Cod, GTA6 and future PS5 FPS titles implement VR fully for thoose that have the headset.
Time will tell!

 

[Panajev2001a]

9 out of the recently announced 11 PSVR2 titles are on or coming to Quest 2, and some of the trailers are literally copy paste from Quest 2 ones. If you insist the visual or gameplay of Tentacular or Pistol Whip is vastly better on PSVR2 I have no words for you.

You are hedging your words well there. No, not vastly better visuals even compared to Quest 2 tethered to a PC, but still better due to the higher resolution and HDR alone it is possible.

You will also have ported PSVR1 games with enhancements (free PSVR2 patch) will get there too and we have other games that are exclusive like H: CotM that are definitely pushing the HW forward. We will see in the launch window and the rest of the first year anyways.

Launch lineups not being the end all be all of software lineups for a console is not news either so not sure the point you are making there.

 

[ArtHands]

Even for something as simple looking as Pistol whip, Pistol whip on PSVR2 has 4kHDR support. Quest 2 doesn't even support HDR at all.

Not to mention field of view, res, or controller feature differences.

So i dont see how somebody saying you "would see a good quality difference and that counts for the immersion" leaves you speechless. The PSVR2 + PS5 combo is obviously going to give you better quality than a Quest 2. That's not exactly controversial.

Ohh those subtle stuffs. I honestly thought he meant that its going to provide some out of the world gameplay not possible on Quest 2

 

[Panajev2001a]

Ohh those subtle stuffs. I honestly thought he meant that its going to provide some out of the world gameplay not possible on Quest 2

Oh well, you make your own arguments up and win them ? Interesting… now sorry back to downplaying the improvements in PSVR2: higher resolution, better controllers, HDR visuals, etc…? Cherry on the cake would be if you were taking this stance and were also one of those that cried murder when PS3's Sixaxis controlled dropped rumble (due to the suit with Immersion).

Again, we will see with the 2 out of 11 titles announced so far you left out and for the other 9 how these enhancements affect the overall experience of the game. Subtle things that can make a bigger difference than you may want to admit when immersion is the key word to the VR experience. Also, not looking forward to any other game but the launch day lineup ?

 

[ArtHands]

Oh well, you make your own arguments up and win them ? Interesting… now sorry back to downplaying the improvements in PSVR2: higher resolution, better controllers, HDR visuals, etc…? Cherry on the cake would be if you were taking this stance and were also one of those that cried murder when PS3's Sixaxis controlled dropped rumble (due to the suit with Immersion).

Again, we will see with the 2 out of 11 titles announced so far you left out and for the other 9 how these enhancements affect the overall experience of the game. Subtle things that can make a bigger difference than you may want to admit when immersion is the key word to the VR experience. Also, not looking forward to any other game but the launch day lineup ?

I doubt so. But I am glad we can all agree that its going to be mostly Quest 2 ports or the same games on PSVR2.

Struggle to look forward to any other game since I can also play them on Quest 2 or PCVR like Among Us VR or No Man's Sky. I'll be playing TWD Saints & Sinners Retribution this Dec while I wait for more PSVR2 titles announcement

 

[SLB1904]

I doubt so. But I am glad we can all agree that its going to be mostly Quest 2 ports or the same games on PSVR2.

Lol. You hate boner for psvr2 is hilarious

Yeah that looks the same

 

[Resenge]

I doubt so. But I am glad we can all agree that its going to be mostly Quest 2 ports or the same games on PSVR2.

Struggle to look forward to any other game since I can also play them on Quest 2 or PCVR like Among Us VR or No Man's Sky. I'll be playing TWD Saints & Sinners Retribution this Dec while I wait for more PSVR2 titles announcement

Just like any new console release it's mostly cross platform games that bolster the 1 or 2 exclusives. Aint nothing new.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Lol. You hate boner for psvr2 is hilarious

Yeah that looks the same

Yeah the PS5 certainly destroys the Quest 2 hardware wise. Now pair the Quest 2 with a powerful PC and that can change to a certain extent. However the Quest 2 hardware is overall inferior to PSVR2s so some things can't be fixed like the lower screen resolution for example among other things.

 

[SLB1904]

Yeah the PS5 certainly destroys the Quest 2 hardware wise. Now pair the Quest 2 with a powerful PC and that can change to a certain extent. However the Quest 2 hardware is overall inferior to PSVR2s so some things can't be fixed like the lower screen resolution for example among other things.

Yeah but the thread tile is how you have to spend a billion dollar with psvr2

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah but the thread tile is how you have to spend a billion dollar with psvr2

I know it won't cost me over 1000$ since I already have a PS5. Pretty sure millions of others are in my situation as well.

 

[Black omnipotent]

Folks that understand technology and labor and also time and a bright future will get it, we can't stand in a twilight zone expecting CHEAP STUFF, the future is costly, and moving forward; if you are Broke don't get it, if your funds are Up, Then get it, stop complaining like little teen girls and get your money up, I respect this great Sony tech.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I doubt so. But I am glad we can all agree that its going to be mostly Quest 2 ports or the same games on PSVR2.

Shall I just give you access to my account so you can even more easily make both sides of the discussion ?

Without the PC attached, games like NMS are going to be vastly different between Quest 2 and PSVR2 also I expect the jump to be pretty massive between the PSVR1 and PSVR2 versions of the title. "Oh yeah but you can connect a PC and PS5 is not cheap" and we are back on the price differential being quite in favour of PSVR2 (looking like a good deal).

With VR, resolution + dynamic range of colours (HDR) + FoV + visual detail + frame rate… visual quality in general matters quite a lot, even for the same games. You are trying to handwave away and minimise visual differences in a medium where they can still be pretty key to the immersion factor which in itself is the reason you play with VR headsets to begin with .

 

[MasterCornholio]

Shall I just give you access to my account so you can even more easily make both sides of the discussion ?

Mods would probably change your tag.

GAFs Unpleasant Artist

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's ok for PSVR2 to not be a massive hit, its obvious that Sony doesnt expect it to be with their mediocre investment in it here. Not everything needs to be defended so hard.

Its not going to do that well.

 

[ArtHands]

Lol. You hate boner for psvr2 is hilarious

Yeah that looks the same

That's a PSVR2 game..no wait. That isn't.

 

[ArtHands]

Shall I just give you access to my account so you can even more easily make both sides of the discussion ?

Without the PC attached, games like NMS are going to be vastly different between Quest 2 and PSVR2 also I expect the jump to be pretty massive between the PSVR1 and PSVR2 versions of the title. "Oh yeah but you can connect a PC and PS5 is not cheap" and we are back on the price differential being quite in favour of PSVR2 (looking like a good deal).

With VR, resolution + dynamic range of colours (HDR) + FoV + visual detail + frame rate… visual quality in general matters quite a lot, even for the same games. You are trying to handwave away and minimise visual differences in a medium where they can still be pretty key to the immersion factor which in itself is the reason you play with VR headsets to begin with .

I wouldn't say its hand wave, especially considering even the devs isn't bother to use these to sell their PSVR2 games from the trailers.

 

[midnightAI]

That's a PSVR2 game..no wait. That isn't.

But anyway, PSVR 2 isn't going to be judged on the Quest ports, you are acting like all we will see is that. (Actually going forward I think you'll find that Devs will make the game for PSVR 2/PC and then downscale the games for wireless Quest, so really Quest will be getting the ports)

 

[ArtHands]

But anyway, PSVR 2 isn't going to be judged on the Quest ports, you are acting like all we will see is that. (Actually going forward I think you'll find that Devs will make the game for PSVR 2/PC and then downscale the games for wireless Quest, so really Quest will be getting the ports)

You proved my point...same game.

 

[SLB1904]

You proved my point...same game.

Just trow the damn towel
Same game lmfao

 

[ArtHands]

Just trow the damn towel
Same game lmfao

They are literally the same game with the same gameplay. You are unhappy I guess, but ok.

 

[SLB1904]

They are literally the same game with the same gameplay. You are unhappy I guess, but ok.

Sure ignoring everything else

 

[RJMacready73]

I'm definitely in 2minds about this, keeping swinging back and forth between day1 or waiting a year and see how the library expands, so far the only thing I've seen that screams buy it is Horizon & Resi8 plus Starwars for the Kid, I need to see some bigger better games, NMS I'll give another shot but I'd love to see a proper port of Skyrim+mods (I know ain't happening) and at least Alyx within launch window, those Quest2 ports look awful and o boy did they miss and trick and not develop a new Astro Bot for it.

Has there been any mention about in built video player app? I've a ton of 3D blurays and loads of 3D rips, I'm one of those that actually liked 3D movies, have still held onto my Sony X93c to play them on occasion but I'd love a huge cinema type app for this + 3D audio headphones, would make for a great movie experience when everyone has fucked off to bed

 

[ArtHands]

I'm definitely in 2minds about this, keeping swinging back and forth between day1 or waiting a year and see how the library expands, so far the only thing I've seen that screams buy it is Horizon & Resi8 plus Starwars for the Kid, I need to see some bigger better games, NMS I'll give another shot but I'd love to see a proper port of Skyrim+mods (I know ain't happening) and at least Alyx within launch window, those Quest2 ports look awful and o boy did they miss and trick and not develop a new Astro Bot for it.

Has there been any mention about in built video player app? I've a ton of 3D blurays and loads of 3D rips, I'm one of those that actually liked 3D movies, have still held onto my Sony X93c to play them on occasion but I'd love a huge cinema type app for this + 3D audio headphones, would make for a great movie experience when everyone has fucked off to bed

No mention of build in video player app. and hey some people claim those apps are totally different from Quest 2 so they should look great.

 

[midnightAI]

They are literally the same game with the same gameplay. You are unhappy I guess, but ok.

oh, sorry, thought you wanted a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest (seeing as how PSVR 2 will 'only' be getting ports.

Fine...






And that's just announced ones, we don't yet have the full launch list and so there may be more surprises (Firesprites horror game maybe?)

 

[Resenge]

oh, sorry, thought you wanted a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest (seeing as how PSVR 2 will 'only' be getting ports.

Fine...






And that's just announced ones, we don't yet have the full launch list and so there may be more surprises (Firesprites horror game maybe?)

Super excited for Switchback and Firewall.

 

[midnightAI]

It's ok for PSVR2 to not be a massive hit, its obvious that Sony doesnt expect it to be with their mediocre investment in it here. Not everything needs to be defended so hard.

Its not going to do that well.

Modest investment, where do you get that from? has Sony released their financials about PSVR 2 development?

Or are you talking about marketing? It's still 3 months out so you can't judge that yet (I still believe we will get a PSVR 2 state of play or full Sony showcase soon(ish)).

 

[drezz]

oh, sorry, thought you wanted a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest (seeing as how PSVR 2 will 'only' be getting ports.

Fine...






And that's just announced ones, we don't yet have the full launch list and so there may be more surprises (Firesprites horror game maybe?)

Im super exicted for Crossfire
Even if the Crossfire games on other platforms have had a bunch of miss and "okay" games, this one seems like a good mix of a Cod looking shooter with Time Crisis (The red circle indicator when you are about to be hit) but free roaming and not peak and fire linear based.
4Player coop military shooter is just what im looking for, just hope it is crossplatform so I can play with others that dont have PSVR2.

 

[midnightAI]

Im super exicted for Crossfire
Even if the Crossfire games on other platforms have had a bunch of miss and "okay" games, this one seems like a good mix of a Cod looking shooter with Time Crisis (The red circle indicator when you are about to be hit) but free roaming and not peak and fire linear based.
4Player coop military shooter is just what im looking for, just hope it is crossplatform so I can play with others that dont have PSVR2.

I don't know why, but I didnt include that one because I thought it was cross platform (as in coming to Quest 2). But yeh, looks good.

 

[ahtlas7]

Yeah the great thing about cellphone powered VR is you can feel the momentum of the visuals, really transports you back to 2001. Game on.

Stepping back in history. The time before Zucker wrinkles.

 

[MasterCornholio]

You proved my point...same game.

But better visuals.

I think that's what your trying to say. I'm glad you like PSVR2.

 

[MasterCornholio]

They are literally the same game with the same gameplay. You are unhappy I guess, but ok.

But you are saying the visuals are better.

If you don't like PSVR2 you need to stop making a case for it. It makes you look bad IMO.

 

[MasterCornholio]

oh, sorry, thought you wanted a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest (seeing as how PSVR 2 will 'only' be getting ports.

Fine...






And that's just announced ones, we don't yet have the full launch list and so there may be more surprises (Firesprites horror game maybe?)

Ahhhh fire.

 

[drezz]

I don't know why, but I didnt include that one because I thought it was cross platform (as in coming to Quest 2). But yeh, looks good.

Thats great!
Just means I get to play 4player with non PS5 owners... If it has crossplay suppoert? Like After the fall.

Will be great too see the differences between PSVR2 and Quest 2 when it comes out.

 

[midnightAI]

Thats great!
Just means I get to play 4player with non PS5 owners... If it has crossplay suppoert? Like After the fall.

Will be great too see the differences between PSVR2 and Quest 2 when it comes out.

Well, I think it may be exclusive, I just wasn't certain (still not), but looking at the trailer more closely I don't think it will be on Quest (native) without major cutbacks

 

[clarky]

Im with the OP. Numbers speak for themselves, if 95% of your base doesn't give a shit then time to move on.

 

[drezz]

Well, I think it may be exclusive, I just wasn't certain (still not), but looking at the trailer more closely I don't think it will be on Quest (native) without major cutbacks

That was my orginal tought as well, a quick google and I can't see anywhere saying its on Quest 2... Hoping for PCVR then, with crossplay.
If not, then at least I can play it solo.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Modest investment, where do you get that from? has Sony released their financials about PSVR 2 development?

Or are you talking about marketing? It's still 3 months out so you can't judge that yet (I still believe we will get a PSVR 2 state of play or full Sony showcase soon(ish)).

Well, yeah. You may be right. Let's look to see how it plays out by February.

Modest investment I mean, little interest to have anything but meta quest 2 ports and one game in Horizon.

Where are the big Sony invested AAA titles like Half Life Alyx...where is the port for half life Alyx? That would be the first port of call for any big headset launching. Also, named ports for stuff like Astro bot from PSVR 1.

Why would you wait to announce this stuff and not make a big splash of excitement at announcement. Its just got me confused

 

[Resenge]

 

[hlm666]

Has there been any mention about in built video player app? I've a ton of 3D blurays and loads of 3D rips, I'm one of those that actually liked 3D movies

Hahahahaha you don't need try hide why you really want the video player.

 

[drezz]

Half Life Alyx port

I'd think its 50/50 for that game in particular.
Either way im sure games are in the pipe for both VR and flatscreen, many in AAA territory. And them beeing hybrid is more and more likely.
Thinking again, GTA6 with hybrid.
That would be a real boost for both VR and Hybrid games in general, just hoping one or the either dont end up beeing a shackle too the main game.

Little Timmy's mind be blown watching private strippers show in VR on GTA6 while parents are crying in the doorway-

 

[midnightAI]

Well, yeah. You may be right. Let's look to see how it plays out by February.

Modest investment I mean, little interest to have anything but meta quest 2 ports and one game in Horizon.

Where are the big Sony invested AAA titles like Half Life Alyx...where is the port for half life Alyx? That would be the first port of call for any big headset launching. Also, named ports for stuff like Astro bot from PSVR 1.

Why would you wait to announce this stuff and not make a big splash of excitement at announcement. Its just got me confused

Like I said, I really do believe that Sony is holding out their other first party games/major third party games for some form of showcase/state of play.
Insomniac are VR experts (Stormland is amazing) so I wouldnt be surprised if they are working on something, Firesprite too have a horror game in the works (other than Horizon), London Studio and Asobi both made games for PSVR 1 and both studios have been used previously to show off hardware (Asobi made astrobot for VR, camera, PS5 included game, London Studio made VR worlds/PSVR demo disc). There are also rumours of a new Wipeout game for PSVR 2 that isnt a port of Wipeout VR for PSVR 1 but I'd just be happy with a port to be honest.

 

[Tomi]

If it fails, it will fail

End of discussion!

 

[Tams]

Hahahahaha you don't need try hide why you really want the video player.

Cheaper to get some N Real Airs for that though.

Edit: Plus, with them not being entirely enclosed, you'll be able to make sure you don't make too much of a mess/leave too much evidence.

 

[ArtHands]

oh, sorry, thought you wanted a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest (seeing as how PSVR 2 will 'only' be getting ports.

Fine...






And that's just announced ones, we don't yet have the full launch list and so there may be more surprises (Firesprites horror game maybe?)

A grand total of 4 games is a minority against the numerous ports from Quest 2 tbh.

 

[ArtHands]

But you are saying the visuals are better.

If you don't like PSVR2 you need to stop making a case for it. It makes you look bad IMO.

I doubt so. I was told there's a quality difference, but those games on PSVR2 ain't have wireless in return for better visual, which makes them rather on par.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

It's pretty clear there are two things holding back PSVR2. The price and the library. Once costs come down (or Sony is willing to take a loss) the only thing missing will be a killer app. Sony needs a big exclusive that gets people excited and brings in impulse buyers who would not have otherwise considered VR.


I think we're getting closer. It I don't see what it would be. For me, I'd be thrilled with what may be coming in the not so distant future. RE8, a new Astro Bot game, Half-Life: Alyx. But I don't see a Halo type game changer exclusive that will drive adoption of the platform for people who haven't been enticed by VR yet. A $300 price point and that one game would make all the difference.