feynoob
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bender, when would you give me back my whisky?
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Topher
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Wow....Xbox twitter folk seemed emotionally affected by all this.
How is he not wrong?
"Feds likely to challenge Microsoft's $69 billion Activision takeover"
"The Federal Trade Commission is likely to file an antitrust lawsuit to block Microsoft's $69 billion takeover of video game giant Activision Blizzard, maker of the hit games Call of Duty and Candy Crush, according to three people with knowledge of the matter."
I read the article. Not seeing how the article and the headline don't match.
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3liteDragon
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Swift_Star
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Good. As they should, this deal should be blocked.Wow....Xbox twitter folk seemed emotionally affected by all this.
How is he not wrong?
"Feds likely to challenge Microsoft's $69 billion Activision takeover"
"The Federal Trade Commission is likely to file an antitrust lawsuit to block Microsoft's $69 billion takeover of video game giant Activision Blizzard, maker of the hit games Call of Duty and Candy Crush, according to three people with knowledge of the matter."
I read the article. Not seeing how the article and the headline don't match.
Topher
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Making me agree with Schierer here.
I'm not sure it should be blocked, but I see some Xbox twitter folks are showing what their journalistic integrity is worth. Jack shit. It is fine to favor the brand you cover, but at least call things like it is. Sounds to me like Jez Corden is more interested in keeping his following riled up and enraged than accurate reporting. And I used to respect the guy.
Swift_Star
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I think it should be block because it's as unhealthy as Disney buying fox (that should've been blocked too). But, yeah, your points are valid.
feynoob
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Big companies shouldnt be able to buy big publishers like its a pizza. That is not good for anyone. Dont care who it is. Its bad for everyone period.
Banjo64
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laynelane
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This train, as it turns out, can be stopped.
On a more serious note, there's been so many twists and turns going on throughout this whole thing. It's all very interesting.
feynoob
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Topher
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I'm happy that the government isn't just rubber stamping this. That was my fear. Too much favoritism goes to those who contribute the most to political campaigns. If the FTC goes through with this challenge then I gotta say I respect them for it.
Well he works for Windows Central so he is preaching to the choir.
ChorizoPicozo
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That is too big.
ChorizoPicozo
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Is this relevant?
Interfectum
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ChiefDada
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Me thinks you are taking all this way too personally, gangsta.
Agreed with your first paragraph, but hard disagree with the last one above. We've been at $60 for two generations in a row. It's been long overdue for price adjustment; insane inflation only added additional supports this. Game quality is a tenant to Sony's competitive advantage and I have to imagine the bulk of that price hike is covering competitive labor market in the gaming industry. Which leads me to the bolded - This quote from Sony has been misinterpreted so many times it's beyond ridiculous at this point; "Faced with weaker competition, Microsoft would be able to increase prices AND lower quality and innovation". These two acts applied together on a product/service produced inorganically via a merger is an antitrust no-no! Sony's price increase have economic merit for both hardware and software.
remember_spinal
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All this time everyone was focused on the CMA but it was the FTC they should have been worried about. Jim Ryan has spies everywhere
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GhostOfTsu
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I love Lina Khan. I hope she's president soon.
R3claimer117
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Lol 
man so many wishful thinking going on here. This deals going to happen. FTC hasn't won any cases and if they keep losing Lina will be ousted. I really don't think she's going to throw her career away fighting Microsoft who has better lawyers than them to prove Microsoft is anti competitive in a market where it's currently in last place.
man so many wishful thinking going on here. This deals going to happen. FTC hasn't won any cases and if they keep losing Lina will be ousted. I really don't think she's going to throw her career away fighting Microsoft who has better lawyers than them to prove Microsoft is anti competitive in a market where it's currently in last place.
ZehDon
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So, Sony raising its prices is actually beneficial to Microsoft - as long as Microsoft doesn't want to better compete. Brilliant. To compete with Sony, it's competitors just have to weather the most turbulent economic period in the last century, shrinking their profit margins, all while Sony is free to raise its prices, keeping its profit margins thick. It's almost as if - hear me out - Sony's dominant position affords it the luxury of raising its prices when its competitors can't... unless they don't want to be competitors anymore.
Which other platform holder increased the cost of its first party titles - titles which are used to sell the platform? Demon's Souls was the first and established the next-gen tax. Sony worked diligently to send a very clear message: next-gen costs more. Why? Because it knew it could, and as a platform holder, it could make it stick. 2K on it's own could do nothing. Activision actually tried inflating the cost of its games back during the Xbox 360 era, and I believe it used MWII 2009 as the spearhead - though, I'd have to check the details to be sure. If I recall, in Australia at least, this was actually reviewed by the ACCC, and the cost of the games came back down. Activision Blizzard couldn't make the price hike stick. This time around, thanks to Sony's efforts as a platform holder (credited in the article), the hike stuck - despite criticism and backlash.
Not really. Sony hiked its prices because it knew it could, and now its claiming that if its competitors can actually compete, then those competitors might raise their prices - which is now harmful to consumers, apparently. Sony is employing a fairly technical regulator pacification strategy known as "throwing shit at a wall".
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R3claimer117
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What you're thinking is going to happen won't and she's not going to be president of the United States either ever!
remember_spinal
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Lol
Microsoft has a hell of a battle ahead of them, from all fronts. FTC, CMA, EU, and CHIIIIIIINA
Its gonna be a bumpy ride for sure
R3claimer117
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So Sony's lawyers are arguing in the UK that Microsoft could raise their console price in a market they're dominating in which they've raised prices ? Holy shit lol
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InverseAgonist
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*gulp*
R3claimer117
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Activision pulled out of China completely already. EU can't block it they already have a pr battle with that my PlayStation guy. CMA is reading like Sony so in court that won't hold up either. The FTC won't win that case and Lina doesn't want a losing record she loses against Microsoft her career is over.
Swift_Star
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Aged like milk
Swift_Star
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No way this deal will go through without some harsh compromises. If anything, they might forbid to make any A/B games to be exclusive to MS ecosystem. Good.
Swift_Star
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That's not how this works.
R3claimer117
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How's he wrong though has the deal been stopped? Everything's speculation until they do.
Swift_Star
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It's not been stopped yet and if it goes through, MS will have to compromise hard. It is what it is. Sorry, green guy.
R3claimer117
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Governments can't dictate what companies do or how they run their businesses. Government can't run the companies just like they couldn't tell Disney don't take all your stuff off Netflix they can't tell Microsoft that. Consent decree to allow call of duty on PlayStation for x amount of years sure. Anything else is not happening.
Swift_Star
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Yes, they can, that's what laws and regulations are for. It's not a free for all. Sorry to burst your bubble.
R3claimer117
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You're seeing through a fanboy lens and not logic blue guy!
Swift_Star
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R3claimer117
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Not how it works suggest you do more research.
ChiefDada
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The IGN Xbox clan has been on full meltdown the past 24hrs
Lol what about the DOJ? This was a couple days ago and believe me when I say I know this case very well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/books/penguin-random-house-simon-schuster-deal.html
Lol
Lol what about the DOJ? This was a couple days ago and believe me when I say I know this case very well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/books/penguin-random-house-simon-schuster-deal.html
Swift_Star
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Yes, it actually is how it works. Companies aren't free to do whatever they want. There are laws and regulations in place. This isn't the first Industrial Revolution… lol
Swift_Star
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The IGN Xbox clan has been on full meltdown the past 24hrs
Lol what about the DOJ? This was a couple days ago and believe me when I say I know this case very well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/books/penguin-random-house-simon-schuster-deal.html
That guy is completely delusional if he thinks it'll be that easy to buy Japanese companies.
remember_spinal
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The IGN Xbox clan has been on full meltdown the past 24hrs
Lol what about the DOJ? This was a couple days ago and believe me when I say I know this case very well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/books/penguin-random-house-simon-schuster-deal.html
I love these xbox shills on twitter threatening sony with microsofts money about how many companies they're gonna buy with this "70 billion dollars" if sony doesn't back down.
Week one: "Microsoft is just trying to stay competitive and offer gaming to more people"
Week 60: "Microsft will burn this industry to the ground if sony doesn't back down!"
Swift_Star
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Yeah, they lack self awareness and just proves everyone's fear further. That's precisely what everyone is afraid of: MS buying the whole industry.
I love these xbox shills on twitter threatening sony with microsofts money about how many companies they're gonna buy with this "70 billion dollars" if sony doesn't back down.
Week one: "Microsoft is just trying to stay competitive and offer gaming to more people"
Week 60: "Microsft will burn this industry to the ground if sony doesn't back down!"
mansoor1980
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back off sony or else microsoft will buy all of japan
twitter meltdown is always sweet
twitter meltdown is always sweet
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ChiefDada
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Wha... What do you think is going on here? What do you think this entire thread is about? Regulators can shut this entire thing down.
R3claimer117
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Government don't run companies or pick winners and loser. Please tell me how Microsoft who's in last place in the video games market is now a monopolistic force that Sony can't compete with? How's game pass bad for consumers? Regulation exist to stop anti competitive behavior there's none of that here in this instance. Sure if Microsoft buys activision and turns around tomorrow and puts in a bid for take two or embracer then yes that be concerning not what's happening now.
R3claimer117
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Dude please do some research. Regulators can't just block the merger can you at least read the tweets from the people posting the article. The FTC can sue to block it and they can lose as well. Same with cma and eu can't just stop deals unlawfully because you think something not how that works.
mansoor1980
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take the 10 year deal JIM
if not then........................
if not then........................
remember_spinal
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Cheezewizz
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Based on what steps have actually taken place at this point as well as the history with these types of M/A... You're setting yourself up to look incredibly foolish in the future.
There hasn't been a single concession requested from even a single regulatory agency, and here you are... Celebrating, and throwing out "I told you so's" left and right.
Tiago Rodrigues
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This tweet reads like a brainless fart from gaf...imagine thinking MS would just march into Japan and acquire everything to "retaliate" because they are salty over Sony helping blocking the Activision deal even if it doesn't make any business sense to them...as if that's how it works
MS, a north american company acquiring Square-Enix it would mean they would get a big manga business as well...the company is much more than videogames and their interests align much more with Sony than MS. Capcom has probably god knows how many deals with Sony...even if they get them, they'd probably be blocked to have plenty of their next games on Gamepass...weren't there some documents that showed that? And isn't Capcom sort of a family business? And Atlus? Isn't that a Sega studio? Does that mean Sega would sell Atlus to MS? (after Sony having a rumored exclusive with Persona 6...which would make the studio irrelevant for years to them, specially now that they got previous Persona entries) Or are we still waiting for next wednesday for the obvious Sega acquisition?
I could see MS going after another studio or western publisher...but going to Japan just to get back at sony...this guy is delusonal. There's also the clear fact that Sony didn't just sit around all year...i'm sure they are quiet because of this deal alone...doesn't mean there aren't conversations going on with studios and publishers about possible acquisitions...maybe some in Japan. If anything i see Sony investing in studios like From Software even after the Elden Ring success and MS was nowhere to be found.
On a more serious note and forgetting about the tweet i quoted, I think MS should be more interested in emerging markets like Korea and China...places they could at least TRY and get ahead of Sony for once...but no. As usual they have no vision whatsoever and are letting Sony carve their way through those two countries while they are being left behind in new territories yet again. That's why Playstation has Genshin Impact and MS was left behind. That's why Sony is now starting to see some results from work they started in 2016 while MS was working on a rental service since their games weren't actually selling well back then and only now, 6 years later they are going like "oh...maybe we should be doing that as well!"
MS should start acting instead of reacting and buying their way in this industry. Just my two cents.
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Thirty7ven
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