You mean prior to this merger? Go back and read the thread. 5 CoDs, Crash 4, THPS 1-2. There are plenty.
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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MasterCornholio
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Thought Sony said their business model couldn't afford thst. If anything they would continue to delay their 1st party releases to remain profitable.
feynoob
Banned
It's not.
Do none of you guys pay attention to CMA argument against MS?
Fess
Member
Wow. If this is true then they’re truly dropping the ball in a historical way right now. I mean it’s only one of the biggest gaming PR opportunities of the year. I’m sure it’ll do wonders for their platform to not even show up after a dead year like this.
Anectodal evidence. I’ve spent 95% of my console time on PS5 this year, and I actually like Xbox. I always planned to play Starfield on PC and I don’t play first person shooters so Redfall is whatever. Maybe throw me a bone here MS, hm? What am I actually supposed to look forward to for Xbox?
feynoob
Banned
Nope, regulators won't do that.
The only service that managed to get COd games was PS+. And that was, when Sony had marketing rights for COD.
Even them don't have any COD game after 2018. Despite having their other games.
Which brings to put point, if Activision weren't interested in those service, then they weren't going to get that game.
So the market isn't impacted by that.
If this deal fails, that would still be the case. MS would have a hard time getting COD on their service, because of Activision stance.
feynoob
Banned
Never trust Jez on this matter. Even the beard guy.
MS would have presence there due to starfield and their 2023 games.
So it was possible before.why not after the deals MS and Activision struck in 2021? They will never have marketing rights after if it goes through too.
Black Ops 4 came to PS+ just last year July 2021.
They were though.
That's their argument but I don't buy it. it seems only so that it can pass regulators. I'm not sure how much that will convince regulators.
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Fess
Member
Hope so, they can’t pause their whole business to get this deal through, this year has been bad enough as it is, they need to show they’re alive.
DarkMage619
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First off I thankfully don't have to prove anything to people who in many cases would rather quit gaming than purchase a system from another company. Second please post where I celebrated gold prices going up. I said the price going up sucks but there are plenty of other ways to get it for the original price. I also said I disliked Kinect and I refused to buy the original X1 but even with all that I never claimed to be neutral I claimed I own all systems and have the right as a customer to complain about practices I do not like that affect me personally. It is not complicated.
Who cares about timed exclusives? I acknowledged MS has done them and mentioned Tomb Raider. Still doesn't make this acquisition illegal.
Funny coming from you but OK.
PlayStation will have CoD longer than Xbox gamers had Street Fighter 5 or Final Fantasy 7 remake. Ten years is lots of time and there is no proof that deal won't get renewed. Minecraft and it's spin-offs hit PlayStation and no deal was made for that at all.
Also if CoD does go exclusive who cares? That is not illegal. If MS paid fair market price for the IP they are entitled to use it as they see fit. MS has the right to make their platform more attractive to customers that is called competition. Just like when Sony signs deals and gets exclusives.
Sony skips shows all the time. MS barely has any titles even up for an award this year. Best believe when games like Redfall and Starfield drop you'll hear about it.
feynoob
Banned
It will convince the regulators, since their main concern is the fair of sub service. They were worried that activision content would make gamepass attractive, when in reality such a case wont exist, because those services and gamepass wouldnt have gotten those games before the purchase.
After the purchase, MS is going to take the risk of losing revenue for gamepass with COD. Because of how much COD generates. And day1 gamepass is definitely going to hurt MS.
What do you think is the purpose then?
Clearly we disagree there because it was the case.
Their issue was that MS would use it to make other subscription services uncompetitive with a risk of foreclosure. How has it addressed that?
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Why are you so embarrassed about being an xbox fanboy?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't see why they have to stop from appearing at the show for trailers for games they have already announced and new release dates
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Quote me where I said the acquisition is illegal.
I have to repeat myself multiple times because you're clearly not paying attention.
They offered a 10 year deal. That's it.
Minecraft is an ongoing game and you're bringing that up.
See? You're still not paying attention.
Again, show me where I'm calling the acquisition illegal.
And who cares? You're the one preaching that it will not hurt casual consumers. LOL.
I can't believe I have to point all of this out to you because you're not paying attention.
onesvenus
Member
That's not necessarily true either. For a third party it might not be possible to expand CoD availability by reducing income of sales. For a first party it might.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
You whine a lot.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fess
Member
I already know about Starfield and Redfall, I don’t need to hear more besides a Starfield release date. I want to see Fable, something from The Coalition, Hellblade 2, stuff like that. Having nothing at all on TGA is a terrible idea.
feynoob
Banned
That was their first concern, before this document.
The outline is the finding of this new document. The case that the CMA was going to argue for, has no basis due to this info, because activision werent going to put their new products on those services before the purchase.
CMA is losing their argument with new info. IF Activision dont want to put their games on sub service, then sub services wont see activision games on their platform.
CMA would need new argument here.
I just told you now. Those sub services never had a chance with activision games. The only reason gamepass is getting them, is because its now a 1st party studio. Without that, gamepass wont get those games either.
What your argument should look like is EA and Ubisoft. Those publishers allow their games on sub services. IF MS buys them, then there is a risk of harm there. Because those games were present on those services. Even Bethesda could be in this category. So CMA argument has strong evidence. But with activision, its not.
R3claimer117
Member
Just because they say that for public pr doesn’t mean that they want to. Sony continues to do business in s very Shroud way. Same thing with raising the prices they did it in every territory except where Microsoft was competitive that alone should tell you why competition is good for consumers. Cause if Microsoft is all of a sudden now competitive in all those markets they can’t do things like that which benefits gamers. Same thing for Microsoft a competitive Sony means they have to stay active and continue to do the right things as well.
R3claimer117
Member
They’ll have to put games in their plus subscription they know if this deal goes through it’s going to force their hands. That’s the whole point of why they’re fight so hard to stop they don’t want to change how they operate at all. They want to maintain the status quo. This deal going through changes the landscape and will force them to change their operations.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
So embarrassed I bought one and told people about it. I hardly sleep at night especially with the thought of you judging me for it.
This whole thread is about an acquisition that some feel should be blocked because they think it's illegal. I am continuing to focus on the topic of the thread. I never said that YOU claimed it was illegal I asked you to point out how it was since you appear to opposed to it. That's should be the basis for it to be blocked. If you support the deal then there is no argument.
Haha
Minecraft has 2 spin-offs. Including a new game coming out next year. Both have/will hit PlayStation. Who isn't paying attention again?
The deal is not hurting consumers. Anyone is free to continue to play CoD including PlayStation gamers for 10 additional years minimum. Switch gamers will also GAIN access to CoD. It also gives consumers more choices on how to pay. Pay attention.
Well if MS wants to focus on their own shows I can understand the possibility of them skipping the show. It doesn't help that Xbox games rarely get nominated for this show in the first place. Plus they showed Hellblade last year and we still know little else about it. I think they'll have plenty of opportunities to show off upcoming games in the future.
Proves how important competition is.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I can't wait until Fable is released. I hope they stay true to the originals. From the trailer it seemed promising.
What's shrouded? Their financial reports offer more information than most businesses, especially MS and xbox.
MasterCornholio
Member
What numbers are Sony hiding?
I don't believe they can lie about costs increasing to their investors. But maybe I haven't seen the evidence that proves thst they are taking advantage of their position and increasing prices to widen their profit margin.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Did I say you celebrated the Gold price increase or did I say you defended Microsoft for it?
The original point was that you’re an Xbox fan, you were the one denying it and saying you’re a gAmInG fAN (laughable). Just embrace it lad, no one will judge you if you drop the pathetic pretence.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ok....it is fine if that is what you think but you are basically calling bullshit on Microsoft's arguments downplaying the impact of the acquisition.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, you weren't paying attention and now you're making excuses for it. You keep saying, "The acquisition isn't illegal" when that's NOT what we were talking about. I replied to your comment about a statement YOU made and it had NOTHING to do with the FTC's approval of the deal fo if it was illegal or not, but you keep bringing it p as if it's relevant.
Read your comment again because it's still you.
You said Minecraft AND its spin-offs. You should have said Minecraft spin-offs. People use Minecraft as "proof" yet ignore what MS is doing with Elder Scrolls.
Let's take a look at your hypocrisy.
Notice how Sony deals "sucks" because it keeps games off of other platforms.
You're saying it sucks because other gamers outside of the PlayStation platform cannot play it. Don't use the "It's PlayStation platform" excuse because games like Street Fighter V was released on PC.
The reason why I replied to you in the first place was because of your hypocrisy. You go on rants about how Street Fighter V and Final Fantasy deals were bad for non-PlayStation gamers, but completely ignore what Microsoft is doing to the franchises they're acquiring.
I know you're going to say, "They bought the publishers so they're entitled to do whatever they want." The same can be applied to third party deals. They made a deal with the publisher.
People can see what you're doing and it's best not to deny it at this point. LOL.
gothmog
Gold Member
Right. Kotick might be despised by gamers but as far as I can tell he's pretty bulletproof in investment circles.
R3claimer117
Member
It’s not about hiding numbers Sony is generally always trying to squeez consumers out of every dollar they can. Now that’s most businesses but in their case they increase first party games prices to 70 then the console price. As far as I know they’re the only first party to do this. It’s because they know they’re the market leader they can throw it around like that considering Microsoft outside of us and Uk is not as competitive. Now this deal will definitely change that cause now Microsoft will be able to bring gamepass to mobile which now shifts how they operate and will force Sony to also change and be more consumer friendly then they have been which is only good news for gamers. Idc what the fanboys say if all of sudden Sony first party games are day and date on plus they’ll be shouting through the roof.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Bruh this deal isn't going to force day one games. You're deluded lmao
sainraja
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R3claimer117
Member
Both companies are doing the same thing. Microsoft is understating the value of abk coming under them and Sony is overstating their direness and hyperbole about it taking them out of business. Sony though in my opinion is going to far as to out right intrude in a business transaction of other companies that haven’t broken any Anti trust violation. While also throwing their third party partners and first party studios under the bus by saying without call of duty they can’t maintain their business. Also if they did turn down a ten year contract for call of duty because they’re hinging on ending the deal if it pass and they turned down the contract going back to negotiate with Microsoft now is going to be different. Idc what Phil’s saying publicly Microsoft does not like what Sony’s doing publicly right now and this will be a sort of Cold War going forward where they say all the right things publicly but internally will be very shady goings between these two.
R3claimer117
Member
If you think in a world where every COD game and every blizzard game and everything is available on gamepass. You think PlayStation players will continue paying 70 dollars when they can pay 140 dollars and share gamepass with 5 people? You’re the delusional one Sony understands this which is why they’re clawing tooth and nail to stop it. Not to mention all the upcoming games Microsoft is holding the cards on. There’s a reason they pushed starfield back you’re not going get any release date for big games out of Microsoft till this deal closes. If they close this anything they buy after this will be small in comparison cause now they can go get individual studios privately owned where they don’t have to deal with so much regulators. Even if they bought another publisher won’t be anywhere near 70 billion it will be 5 4 Maybe 6 which is what most of the Japanese publishers are valued at. So this is once in a lifetime move and both companies know this.
HoofHearted
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Crispy Gamer
Member
They still own 7 million some odd shares I wouldn't look too much into that
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
So, people who want to play Sony FP games aren't going to because gamepass exists?
R3claimer117
Member
Doesn’t mean they can’t do it in the future that’s not a legal document
Hows Sony going to justify charging the same as gamepass if they’re not putting their game in there day and date after all the activision content goes in there?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They don't need to justify it. Your only option to play Sony FP games is through them. Not gamepass
sainraja
Member
They publicly posted that on their blog and it is their statement. It certainly counts more than anything you or anyone else who shares your opinion is going to say.
gothmog
Gold Member
Why does Sony need to justify anything?
R3claimer117
Member
Lol if you guys think Sony’s not worries or doesn’t have to do anything. They sure as hell don’t share that sentiment with you. Cause they’re publicly battling to not be in that scenario.
sainraja
Member
When it comes to Destiny and The Witch Queen was in no way a small expansion, that is exactly the type of new iteration you are going to see. Unless Bungie's plan for Destiny changes, it will be updated continuously, on an ongoing basis. The Witch Queen and upcoming Light Fall are basically the next iteration of Destiny.
R3claimer117
Member
No different then the public statements that Phil’s made that’s been quoted to death on blogs and gaming websites. If people say that doesn’t mean anything why should this?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
We know they're worried. Not for the delusional reason you're thinking off lmao
sainraja
Member
OK. We're talking about Bungie here and what they have said about their IP (what I was addressing in this thread). That is what was being discussed. Not what Phil said or didn't say.
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R3claimer117
Member
Making silly facetious arguments are stupid when the company it self is saying it can’t exist without those FPS COD games. That’s their words not mine.
Ass of Can Whooping
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That has fuck all to do with day one FP releases lmao
Banjo64
cumsessed
I can testify to this. I was going to buy God of War Ragnorök for £69.99, but instead I’m just spending 100 hours blowing down buildings with friends in Crackdown 3.
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