mansoor1980
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long story short '' jim wont compromise on PRINCIPLES''
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HeisenbergFX4
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Punished Miku
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I don't follow or listen to Jez like you all do. But it's been obvious to me for a few years that Sony is basically unstoppable. It's the main reason I've supported this deal, because no one is left that can possibly compete against them. Not Google, Amazon, Tencent. MS is last place, burning billions, cheaper system, innovative sub service and are still not moving the needle that much.
Where I disagree with Jez is that MS still has a ton of studios and plenty to compete, but I don't think they'll ever pass Sony. If MS ever decides it's just not worth it, then there's no one left. This is why I've never truly understood all the hate MS gets. They're the last one holding the line right now against a virtual monopoly. Nintendo already gave up and tried to carve out their own side market.
An arrogant, completely unchecked Sony is the worst possible outcome for everyone - including Sony gamers. Everyone should be hoping MS still finds it worth it to invest in gaming.
DForce
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It's relevant to your post. It was likely factored into their decision because they made a comment about it in their findings.
You're not getting the point.
The CMA will probably not enforce a 10-year deal on CoD on the PlayStation platform.
However, if Sony accepted the 10-year deal last year, then this deal would have probably gone through by now.
3liteDragon
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Varteras
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If I'm understanding it correctly. It can still happen but some serious concessions must be made.
Microsoft has to either give up Call of Duty and all studios associated with it, give up Activision entirely including the Call of Duty IP, give up Activision and Blizzard (though it sounds like they keep Call of Duty if they do that but I could be wrong), or watch the deal get blocked. The CMA has said that behavioral remedies are possible, like ensuring Call of Duty is on all platforms at absolute parity for a long time, but they probably won't go that route. Behavioral remedies are a pain in the ass to keep up with.
Heisenberg007
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jm89
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Thirty7ven
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That thread is clown shoes. Really shows the level of IQ in that place. A bunch of broke ass morons.
DeepEnigma
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Yes it is. Latency is based on speed of light transmission based on distance to the server farms. The further away, the more latency you will have.
Team Andromeda
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OK, Jim
mansoor1980
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Team Andromeda
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They will given SONY prices aren't cheaper and the whole point of cloud is you don't need 'a expensive console'.
feynoob
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HeisenbergFX4
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SlimySnake
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This is something I brought up last year. Taking on more studios means increasing your first party budget which in turn reduces the resources and budget you can assign to your existing studios.
We saw this just a week ago when MS laid off devs from 343, Coalition and even Bethesda. They clearly cant afford to keep them all. Bringing over the 10,000 devs (or was it 3,000?) from Activision is only going to make things worse.
They have not become more productive since the Bethesda acquisition. Their audience have not received MORE games. They were not able to open up with infinite war chest to help ship Starfield on time or start concurrent development on the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout to ensure more consistent releases from the best Zenimax studio. It's been three years since Doom Eternal came out and not a single teaser has been released. Why? Coalition last released a game over 3 years ago, still no teaser. Let alone a trailer or game footage.
They are unable to manage these studios let alone able to help them reach their full potential. They should be going on hiring sprees instead they are laying off people. Why go after cod at all? Your userbase is already getting the game. What is the value to your gamers? Gamepass? Sign a contract for it to come to gamepass when sony's current deal expires. Hell, its something you shouldve done SIX years ago when Gamepass was first announced. I doubt Activision and Sony sign 6 year contracts so they had at least 2-3 occasions to make their bid.
Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are all disingenuous publishers. Nintendo charging $70 for their 3 gen old game is final nail in the coffin for me. These companies are all trash. But at least they continue to release games. MS just needs to focus on that. Cant buy Infinity Ward? Hire them all out by offering pay raises and promotions. Go after the talent. Not the IPs. Sony and Nintendo despite all their problems at least understand that much.
laynelane
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I wonder if she realizes how arrogant she comes across? With ABK's guidance, the "UK economy can grow productively and sustainably" is quite the overreach.
feynoob
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In other words "please approve the deal so I can cash on my stocks".
Aguero9320
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I totally get the point. The CMA doesn't (or certainly shouldn't) care what Sony wants or 'accepts'.
I totally do not have time to explain why to you, but broadly, if a competitor in any industry got to decide whether a rival company's merger went ahead or not there would be no need for a CMA or any other similar body, as no merger or acquisition would ever happen in a competitive market. Rivals would block anything.
They are independent for a reason. If the CMA deems 20 years, 10 years, five years or five minutes to be the acceptable standard then that is their position. Sony (and Microsoft) can try to argue the point, but they get to make up their own minds and say deal or no deal.
I agree, if Sony had accepted the deal would have been waved through, because the commitment would have been formalized. That Sony didn't play ball doesn't mean the terms were onerous, they aren't the 'fairest judge' in this scenario.
Best to wait and see.
feynoob
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She has money on the stock. If the deal is approved, she will make money.
She doesn't give a crap about anything else.
splattered
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I'm a playstation player and I never received a survey about this... UK exclusive survey or a load of bullshit? Maybe this is why MS is requesting documentation from Sony, could be completely fabricated bullshit and that would be a really bad look for Sony if they get caught lying to regulators.
Hitchyhero
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As someone who despises COD, I know cod is big but it's not big enough to cause MS to have a monopoly in this industry like it's being made out to be?
CMA don't know much about the industry and is getting a lot of their info from Sony fanboys. Sony has the biggest games in the industry, and yet MS can't buy a few companies because it will hurt competition? In my opinion, there's no competition atm when it comes to who's the dominant platform
CMA don't know much about the industry and is getting a lot of their info from Sony fanboys. Sony has the biggest games in the industry, and yet MS can't buy a few companies because it will hurt competition? In my opinion, there's no competition atm when it comes to who's the dominant platform
DeepEnigma
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They've been raising prices in India long before anyone did in the "west" or "first world." But lemme guess, fuck India and one of the largest populations in the world, right? Beta testing price increases in India has been going on for quite some time by MS.
They tried raising Xbox Live Gold prices (doubling them) when their shills said they were going to drop the online fee, and received massive backlash for it.
They only played short-term PR durring the holidays, and that's all you recently remember. Then raised the prices right after to $70.
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feynoob
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Excuse me?
COD made x360 huge. That is how big this game is.
It sells 10m-20m a year these days.
Why do you think MS wants to get Activision?
Take COD away and MS would walk away.
IFireflyl
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Microsoft proved it could compete with Sony during the Xbox 360 era. Then they shit the bed so hard with poor management and anti-consumer decisions (like their initial always online DRM scheme, not being able to re-sell used games, and forcing people to buy a Kinect) that they went from strongly competing with Sony to the back of the race with the Xbox One era. Microsoft never needed this acquisition. They only ever needed to remove their own foot from their ass.
Edmund
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I have a returned from the front lines with victory my brothers.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DenchDeckard
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While I agree to an extent, I think a lot of people will just move to PC and steamdeck etc combos.
Sony, are pretty much untouchable. They've used their market lead to keep their market lead and their fan base are as dedicated as Apple fans. It's an almost impossible market to crack.
I think everything will turn out fine to be honest. I really dont think Sony could stop games from coming to PC as that would be far too of a bad move to make. A lot of people hate microsoft, to hate microsoft so Sony have it easier....
..I wouldnt want to count on them trying to go up against the Steam fan base though.
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Punished Miku
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360 was a combination of many fortunate factors for MS. MS brought on PC developers for console exclusives, because they found it far easier to program for the system which was a bit more similar to PC. Bioware, Bethesda mainly. Bungie has a few hits as well. PS3 cell architecture shit the bed. All that has changed and can't be replicated. Sony has PC-like systems now, and WRPGs aren't new on consoles like they were. I don't really think the 360 era is that relevant to today's market at all. If anything, it shows that it took multiple flukes for MS to catch up, and Sony I think still outsold them that gen, starting with a $600 system.
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feynoob
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Now go and purchase Activision.I have a returned from the front lines with victory my brothers.
Sony needs your help.
Mr Moose
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It's the CMA so yes, it is UK. They were also tipped off that you're a green rat so they didn't send it to you.
ToadMan
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Or the opposite.
1. This isn’t Sony vs MS, its regulator/consumers vs MS
2. So far, MS seems to be on the losing side. Sony is comfortable with that result, why would they voluntarily provide more data now? The regulators are doing the job.
As the sales patter goes, when you get the answer you want, stop talking and thats what Sony are doing.
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Team Andromeda
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I'm Welsh boyo
Americans.
graywolf323
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I still find it kinda nuts that Xbox got Octopath 1 but isn’t getting 2 while PlayStation didn’t get 1 and is getting 2
DForce
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And you still don't get it.
This is about the 10-year deal specifically. I'm telling you the 10-year deal is probably NOT enough for the CMA - However, it would probably be enough if Sony accepted it because they're not worried about competition beyond the 10-year agreement.
And where in my post did I say Sony gets to decide?
I never said they get to decide what to do, I said they will probably be more open to passing the deal if Sony agreed with the 10-year deal. This would mean Sony would no longer object to the deal since they accepted the 10-year offer.
XXL
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Varteras
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I still find it kinda nuts that Xbox got Octopath 1 but isn’t getting 2 while PlayStation didn’t get 1 and is getting 2
Mr Moose
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Prove it, say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Ever heard of Nintendo my friend? They just made a console thats on track to becoming the best selling console of all time
laynelane
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Orbital2060
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So the CMA adopted all of Sonys arguments and made those their own?
Banjo64
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feynoob
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Sorry about that.
I was just gassed about American people hyping up MS pull.
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