SenjutsuSage
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Your ability to read a news story and understand something completely different just to cheerlead for MS is incredible, really, it takes talent to come up with this.
And what will you say when I'm right?
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Why would you think they couldn't negotiate on a new price for the new bill of goods?
Its also slightly fishy that they are saying they can't calculate what ABK looks like with CoD removed. Its not a mystery, anyone could figure out which studios are involved in its production. And certainly the Blizzard and KIng elements are completely separate entities.
Well, based on that we can predict which elements MS as new owner values and which it doesn't, and knowing that we can then safely predict where the axe is going to fall heaviest once the new management decides to do its first "efficiency" layoffs.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
You guys are way more into this than I am .. lol I really don’t care either way as last time I bought an activision published game was sekiro. But I do think it’s silly to want this to fail.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
I just wonder will you be ok if you're wrong.
Mr Moose
Member
Unfortunately Sage is a digital clock.
3liteDragon
Member
All I heard here was “iT’s AlL AbOuT KiNg & cAnDy cRuSh”, what changed?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Yeah man remember when MS made Skyrim and it was like day and date on PlayStation, these regulators man.
Are you ok?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Yeah we got a few additional pages in this thread.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I'm a grown up bro. If I'm wrong, I'm going to make a shit ton of money either way through the activision stock that is still going to perform and be boosted by a $3 billion breakup fee from Microsoft. It would be the greatest ever financial year in the history of Activision Blizzard with massive releases like Diablo IV and the new COD dropping this year.
So, really, even in a deal failure I'm pretty well okay with either outcome. These discussions between us is more about what we want to happen and what we think will happen. I both want the deal to happen, and remain far more convinced than not that it will be approved. Why would I be bent out of shape if it fails? I would literally be right here taking all the shade from everybody and admit that I got it wrong with zero hesitation.
Pelta88
Member
I just want to give a huge shout out to everyone who called bullshit when Microsoft started lying about their intentions. Claiming that the deal wasn't about COD when everyone and their grandmother knew that's all the deal was about...
The regulators followed "our" common sense advice and put that PR up against scrutiny. When we finally got down to the nitty gritty, it's clear that the deal was always and totally about COD. Which is why they refuse to divest.
You know who you are. Salute to all of you.
The regulators followed "our" common sense advice and put that PR up against scrutiny. When we finally got down to the nitty gritty, it's clear that the deal was always and totally about COD. Which is why they refuse to divest.
You know who you are. Salute to all of you.
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ChiefDada
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The poor don't have the luxury of objectivity (owning multiple platforms). Whether its world wars or console wars, it's always the poor that get sent to the battlefield. Leave us be and let us war in peace.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Who would had guessed someone buying Activision would want to hold onto COD. I would have never imagined.
If someone offered to buy Coca Cola, I wonder if they'd be willing to sell off Coke drinks and just live off Disani water, Fairlife milk and Frutoipia.
If someone offered to buy Coca Cola, I wonder if they'd be willing to sell off Coke drinks and just live off Disani water, Fairlife milk and Frutoipia.
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jm89
Member
Other day brother tried to argue that xcloud only exists in the same building as azure servers and doesnt need azure. He's on a roll.
I just love the ever changing narrative about CoD from some folks tho:
Its gonna be exclusive!
to
Its gonna be exclusive after [insert year here]!
to
It was never gonna be exclusive!
Now, I was one of those saying MS were probably more happy about getting King and they should do whatever it takes to get King. Forget CoD.
Now its hard to tell what's important to MS. One month its mobile, now COD is more important...
Ok....
lol, sounds about right.
Topher
Identifies as young
The poor don't have the luxury of objectivity (owning multiple platforms). Whether its world wars or console wars, it's always the poor that get sent to the battlefield. Leave us be and let us war in peace.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Brad Smith out there lecturing people about the Mandala effect.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
No it was mobile, and COD also has a big presence on mobile so it wouldn't make sense to sell it and lose the whole point of the acquisition, to have a major foothold in mobile.
People forget this so they keep focusing on consoles, but consoles is what Microsoft is already letting COD on every platform, so that doesn't make sense.
They want the money from mobile, which is where Activision makes most of their money, not console COD.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
So are we back to $40K again then?
DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
As many mentioned before me: Elder Scrolls VI.
But MS did it with so many other titles fans now decided to totally ignore. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 is another exclusive deal that'll keep the game away from other platforms. And will I be able to play Hellblade 2 on my Playstation or Switch like I could with the first (well-received) part?
I'm also waiting to finally be able to play Dead Rising 3 on my Playstation. But this won't happen, right?
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GHG
Gold Member
He's going to tell us he meant 40k rubles, not dollars.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Phil Spencer: This deal is all about that milk and that juice. Not Coke.
CMA: So you want Fruitopia then?
Phil Spencer: No
GHG
Gold Member
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Xcloud does NOT use Azure buddy. Xbox Cloud Gaming does not use the Windows OS, it doesn't stream PC games at all. It doesn't even use the Azure IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service.) Please do read the documents before trying to challenge me on some of these things.
Xcloud only gives you the console version of Xbox titles, not the PC versions. The Windows OS isn't used, PC versions of titles aren't used, Azure's IaaS isn't used. They're nothing more than console motherboards mounted in blades that are racked in data centres. It use to literally be consoles themselves racked in data centres before they housed them in a clever server blade design using only the motherboards.
Repeat after me. Xbox Cloud Gaming does not use Azure.
Xbox Cloud Gaming is running off of the Xbox console operating system. Not Windows PCs, not the windows PC OS, not running PC games, not running off the Azure IaaS.
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JLB
Banned
Of course on cloud. Maybe regulators should have a word on it and prevent Sony from not allowing other options on its platform (just trying to have the same altruist mood that many have on this thread).
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They didn't pull their games from the platform. That's the key point.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The poor don't have the luxury of objectivity (owning multiple platforms). Whether its world wars or console wars, it's always the poor that get sent to the battlefield. Leave us be and let us war in peace.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
My boy Brad sure has panties ruffled here. Must have slam dunked it. All those Xbox games on PS are going to be hard to argue around.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
They didnt even pull Minecraft from Nintendo/Sony platforms. They could had just funneled it all to Xbox and PC but they didn't. And back then, MC was still in it's infancy as a PC focused title. But MS let it sell basically across any platform on Earth. Expansion, not contraction.
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Badlucktroll
Member
Wait, is Microsoft counting the games from companies that they bought that were on playstation and multi platform already before they bought them, against internally produced Sony games? They really use their checkbook to talk. Damn.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Actually, the first thing Microsoft did was declare their intentions to stand by the exclusivity contracts for Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo as PlayStation timed exclusives, and then to commit to full lifetime updates for all existing games on all existing platforms, such as Fallout 76 and The Elder Scrolls Online. What they didn't do is pull down the content they now owned from other platforms, which they're well within their rights to do. They also didn't do this with Minecraft, despite being absolutely able to. New Zenimax Media games being announced as exclusive titles, like Starfield, is both expected and justified.
Microsoft is employing an interesting strategy of not every game it owns being exclusive. It just committed to new Call of Duty games on Nintendo, for example. This is likely to hedge their bets to insulate their gaming division from another Xbone disaster, where no one buys the console in the first place. The "walled garden" approach works when you're top dog, like Sony, because you can charge whatever you want when people are lining up for your hardware. When no one wants your console, like the OG Xbone, you don't even have a garden to wall in. Microsoft is trying to be smarter in how it makes its money. Microsoft is trying to strengthen the console and subscription walled gardens with purchases like Team Ninja and Zenimax, while shoring up its overall gaming business with un-walled gardens like Minecraft and ABK. I don't believe we've seen a platform holder do this before, so it's hard to really comment more than that. We're in uncharted territory.
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ChiefDada
Member
You don't have to have played it for it's significance to affect you, regardless of which position you agree with.
JLB
Banned
Not these, but others. Sony is in a monopolistic position that is affecting the market. They should be under scrutiny, similar to what happened with Apple and iOS. No reason why they dont allow Xcloud or Gamepass on its platform.
This is like if MS patches W11 to prevent Sony games from running on it.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
And what's wrong with that? What matters is is it true or not. Microsoft had all legal rights to pull those games for sale from Playstation, but didn't do so.
Xbox has 58 titles on Playstation, Playstation has 2 (MLB The Show franchise and Destiny) on Xbox.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
The deal is pretty much toast. CMA wants divesting of COD/ABK or a mix of divesting and aggressive behavioral remedies. Their documents made this very clear but Brad Smith is telling them to take 10 years of COD or go fuck themselves. Exactly what CMA said wasn't good enough in their documents. He's hoping to gain the acquisition of COD/ABK through the court of public opinion when the public have no say in whether the deal goes through. If he's hoping that pressure from Twitter and fanboys will make the regulators change their mind about their recommendations for this deal then he's even more delusional than the clowns on Reee and Twitter fanboys.
Mr Moose
Member
Xcloud does NOT use Azure buddy. Xbox Cloud Gaming does not use the Windows OS, it doesn't stream PC games at all. It doesn't even use the Azure IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service.) Please do read the documents before trying to challenge me on some of these things.
Xcloud only gives you the console version of Xbox titles, not the PC versions. The Windows OS isn't used, PC versions of titles aren't used, Azure's IaaS isn't used. They're nothing more than console motherboards mounted in blades that are racked in data centres. It use to literally be consoles themselves racked in data centres before they housed them in a clever server blade design using only the motherboards.
Repeat after me. Xbox Cloud Gaming does not use Azure.
Project xCloud
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Yoboman
Member
I'll never get over the fact she was acting the whole time and is actually decently smart
Badlucktroll
Member
Well they aren't counting Sunset Overdrive, which Sony now owns the rights to and they didn't pull it off of Xbox after they bought Insomniac. https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/597411-sony-now-owns-rights-sunset-overdrive-yoshida-confirms
Which is the only game i can think of from a company Sony bought, that is Xbox exclusive. I don't see any internally produced Xbox games on playstation (No halo, gears, or forza) Just like i don't see God Of War, Last of Us, Uncharted, ect on Xbox. Seems kind of like they bought all that stuff to blackmail Sony. Do they expect them to put all their crown jewel exclusives on xbox because they bought a ton of third party developers? Did they do that to find a way to use Sony's exclusives against them? The regulators aren't stupid, and know this. Are they offering Halo, Gears, and Forza?
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Sentenza
Member
I mean, no shit. This is the equivalent of "We'll approve your purchase of Coca-Cola Company if you sell off any right to produce original Coke".
Anyone who thinks this was a reasonable request must be mentally challenged.
EDIT: Jesus Christ,
StreetsofBeige
. :|
Anyone who thinks this was a reasonable request must be mentally challenged.
EDIT: Jesus Christ,
StreetsofBeige
. :|
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FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Just like I've been saying since the beginning, this deal was ALWAYS about COD,
MS doesn't give a shit about King or Activision/Blizzard. It was always about COD.
They've completely shown their ass now that CMA has called their bluff.
This deal is an even worse state than it was before these meetings today. If CMA says they aren't pleased with 10 years of COD and behavioral remedies then this deal is completely dead.
MS doesn't give a shit about King or Activision/Blizzard. It was always about COD.
They've completely shown their ass now that CMA has called their bluff.
This deal is an even worse state than it was before these meetings today. If CMA says they aren't pleased with 10 years of COD and behavioral remedies then this deal is completely dead.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Absolutely correct. Besides the submission docs you have there, it's been common knowledge in the gaming spheres and media too e.g. IGN
Here's a pic of the specialised blade hardware, from memory I think they can customise up to 6 per blade server, densities and hardware may have iterations these days as I think the pic is from 2021ish -
What is used is the regional Azure datacentres to house and give connectivity, security etc. This is the same as Sony recently partnering with Azure/MS for their cloud solution (source Sony.com press release). We wouldn't claim Sony streaming uses Azure now would we?
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lefty1117
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I don't see how any of these companies have a leg to stand on in the non-exclusivity argument when all of them regularly acquire studios. Sony has just done it in smaller pieces over a longer time, coupled with timed exclusives, platform exclusive DLCs and on and on. They didn't get to 80% or whatever MS said it is on accident. The "vertical" argument is also dumb when you consider Apple, Google, Comcast and others have built verticals around platform/distribution/content over the years. Are they going to go back and break all that up?
Yoboman
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