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Head of Xbox Phil Spencer will be on the Kinda Funny XCast tomorrow
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Cheers! I've added it to the OP.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
The ginger cuck creaming himself when Phil whispers hope and dreams in his ear
CherryFalls
Banned
Seems to be taking responsibility ''Im upset with myself'' he says and ''We will re think our process''
Stare-Bear
Banned
There you have it folks, Phil Spencer says RedFall is in a perfectly acceptable state for launch...
Starfield is going to be a MESS...
GHG
Gold Member
"I'm upset with myself"
Jesus christ this guy.
Edit: it actually gets worse the more he talks.
"what can we learn"
Dude, you've been doing this for how long? You're in what position again? No time for learning my friend, this should be your area of expertise.
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DJ12
Member
Exactly, there's a gif in this very thread from years ago asking about releasing games in a broken state."I'm upset with myself"
Jesus christ this guy.
Edit: it actually gets worse the more he talks.
"what can we learn"
Dude, you've been doing this for how long? You're in what position again? No time for learning my friend, this should be your area of expertise.
At least he's not trying to say its Bethesdas fault like that windows central piece, was fully expecting that to be his narrative.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Just finished watching the episode. This is how I did with my BingoCan we get bingo card predictions for what will be in this interview?
- "We are more committed/hopeful than ever for the ABK acquisition to pass."
(he literally used the word committed. I can't
)
- "We believe gaming is for everyone, no matter where you choose to play."
- "Redfall > Arkane did a wonderful job. We will learn from our mistakes."
- "Starfield is fantastic."
- "I have never been this excited for the future of Xbox games and Xbox."
-- (didn't say this)
- "We have the best lineup of games in the pipeline now in the history of Xbox."
- Complaints about Sony in the context of ABK.
- Phil talks about at length one old game that he has been playing recently.
(named-dropped a couple of games, but didn't mention it in any detail)
- Avoid questions about Game Pass and Xbox's profitability and sustainability, if asked. (the question didn't come up)>
- At least one extremely long-winded nothing-burger answer of a straight-forward question.
^^^
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Liamario
Banned
I agree, but what's happening with the quality and quantity lately.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The most shocking thing for me was his admission of failure -- that Xbox will never beat Sony or Nintendo in console sales "even if we make great games."
That is an extremely weird attitude to have for a leader that manages over 5,000 employees. Would be doing wonders for morale.
I'm time-stamping the video here. I'll post the full quote here as well after transcribing it.
"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us, and I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter.
When you're third place in the console marketplace, and the top two players are as strong as they are, and have, in certain cases, a very discrete focus on doing deals and other things that make being Xbox hard for us, as a team.
I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around. It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go, and you're building on Xbox, we want our Xbox community to feel awesome. But this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think doesn't really lay to the reality of most people.
There is no world where Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people start selling their PS5. That's not going to happen."
^^ The above is a summarized version. Full version in the following spoiler.
That is an extremely weird attitude to have for a leader that manages over 5,000 employees. Would be doing wonders for morale.
I'm time-stamping the video here. I'll post the full quote here as well after transcribing it.
"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us, and I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter.
When you're third place in the console marketplace, and the top two players are as strong as they are, and have, in certain cases, a very discrete focus on doing deals and other things that make being Xbox hard for us, as a team.
I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around. It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go, and you're building on Xbox, we want our Xbox community to feel awesome. But this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think doesn't really lay to the reality of most people.
There is no world where Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people start selling their PS5. That's not going to happen."
^^ The above is a summarized version. Full version in the following spoiler.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Jesus what a shitshow.
ChiefDada
Member
Emphasizing a stance that no one argued against. In other words, he's wasting our time.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Also, special Kudo to Parris. He asked some tough questions, while others were just sucking up to Phil as always.
I've always disregarded Parris because of his fanboy-ish tweets, his affiliation with Xbox related content, and his participation with Xbox's events. But credit where credit is due. He was much better than the other two panelists.
I'm especially disappointed in Gary. Instead of asking tough questions, he was sucking up to Phil and blaming PlayStation fans for their response to Redfall's failure, properly fueling console wars.
I've always disregarded Parris because of his fanboy-ish tweets, his affiliation with Xbox related content, and his participation with Xbox's events. But credit where credit is due. He was much better than the other two panelists.
I'm especially disappointed in Gary. Instead of asking tough questions, he was sucking up to Phil and blaming PlayStation fans for their response to Redfall's failure, properly fueling console wars.
DJ12
Member
Oh dear. Defo pulling out of the console hardware market.
If xbox continues, think it will just be a pc gaming box they sell for a premium.
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azertydu91
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killatopak
Member
That's such a defeatist attitude wtf? That just fosters them to not do enough effort to make great games.
Do you really want your leader to say that you lost before the battle has even begun?
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SEGAvangelist
Member
I think the Redfall response is a mixture of things. Console wars? Certainly. Lots of fanboys relishing the fact that this game is not good, and if you don't see that, you are blind. It's also happening right around the time of the CMA decision, so that adds fuel to the fire. I think Phil's response is good for the most part, and I do think the review scores would have been 5-10 points higher had the game launched with 60fps, little things like breakable car windows and building windows, stealth kill animations and less bugs in general. All the current circumstances led to the traditional pile-on we see in these cases, and now the websites are joining the pile-on with late review scores like a 4/10 from IGN. An IGN 4/10 is pretty much a 1/10 from any other publication, and Redfall is bad, but it's not IGN 4/10 bad. I do agree that 3 months delay wouldn't have fixed the creative problems with the game, so Phil was in a hard place. Cancel the game and kill team morale of a good team that made Prey or just push out the game and cut your losses. I'm not sure what the right decision was, but obviously the game is a stinker. Dark times ahead for Microsoft since all eyes on Starfield, fair or not.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Can't WAIT
Another really "authentic" interview by the REAL game journalists
Really hope they ll have some really good set up to segway into pre written PR monologuing... I ment questions to be answered by the XBox CEO who let's be honest... is just a gamer like you n me guys!
Another really "authentic" interview by the REAL game journalists
Really hope they ll have some really good set up to segway into pre written PR monologuing... I ment questions to be answered by the XBox CEO who let's be honest... is just a gamer like you n me guys!
digoutyoursoul
Member
I don’t get or like that attitude at all. It’s clearly a people problem. If you have the right people, invest, go after big talents to boost your internal teams across the board of course they can compete.
I know people take the piss, it’s cool, I get it but I’m disappointed in what’s happening at Xbox. It’s like people are deliberately putting road blocks on things that can be fixed. Creating a narrative that it can never be possible to compete with Sony or Nintendo, of course it can, it needs the right people to do that.
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TropicanaTwista
Member
Was my biggest take away. Also, like maybe try? How can you honestly say that without even trying it.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This is HUGE!!
The above is a summarized version. Full version in the spoiler below.
The above is a summarized version. Full version in the spoiler below.
"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us, and I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter. When you're third place in the console marketplace, and the top two players are as strong as they are, and have, in certain cases, a very discrete focus on doing deals and other things that make being Xbox hard for us, as a team, that's on us, not on anybody else. Our vision is that everybody who's on console has to feel like they have a great experience and they're a first-class citizen. They've invested a ton in our platform, but we are not in a position, and I see it out there, I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around. It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go and you're building on Xbox, we want our Xbox community to feel awesome. But this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think doesn't really lay to the reality of most people. Like 90% of the people every year who walk into a retailer to buy a console are already a member of one of the three ecosystems, and their digital library is there. This is the first generation where the big games that they're playing were games that were available last gen. When you think about Fortnite and Roblox and Minecraft, the continuity from generation to generation is so strong. I see a lot of pundits out there that kind of want to go back to the time where we all had cartridges and discs, and every new generation was a clean slate, and you could switch the whole console share. That's just not the world that we are in today. There is no world where Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people start selling their PS5. That's not going to happen. So what we have to do, and we have this unique vision because we see what creators want to do, creators want to build games that can meet players on any screen, people play with their friends regardless of what other screen they're on, and the console is the core of the Xbox brand, there's no doubt. So, we will stay focused on making sure that console experience is awesome. But I know some people want to hold us up of just being a better green version of what the blue guys do, and I'm just going to say, there's not a win for Xbox in staying in the wake of somebody else. We have to go off and do our own thing with Game Pass, with the stuff we do with xCloud, and the way we build our games
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Men_in_Boxes
Banned
He has an unhealthy relationship with a giant corporation. He's drained because he works for them, not the public.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Imagine Sony saying that after PS3!
SEGAvangelist
Member
That kind of response is typical of someone who lives for internet validation.
Zuzu
Member
Yeah, there’s something seriously wrong with their reviews process if it reviewed fairly well internally
DJ12
Member
To be fair to Phil on this, that was different.
Now both brands have converged to off the shelf pc parts essentially, this is a far bigger deal than it was with the ps360 generation.
TheRedRiders
Member
I'm not an Xbox gamer but man it is concerning hearing what Phil is saying, he lacks so much vision, which is something the Xbox brand needs right now.
Games always sell hardware, it's a tried and tested method for success in the console space, it always has been and Xbox should have known that since the 360 era.
Games always sell hardware, it's a tried and tested method for success in the console space, it always has been and Xbox should have known that since the 360 era.
Sony
Nintendo
He's not wrong. I've been saying this for years. Having more games, better games and a cheaper pricepoint didn't help Xbox 360 outsell the PS3. The PS3's early years were also a PR disaster. Yet YoY PS3 outsold the 360. You can't compete with Sony and Nintendo on unit sales. The only thing you can do is increase your revenues in new markets, which they have been doing.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Laying the groundwork for a shift in concept. Basically removing Xbox console from the board.
Nydius
Member
I see he had to throw out some obligatory red meat for the rabid fanbase and their constant Xbox persecution complex.
As if Microsoft didn’t have a “discreet focus” on limiting Sony’s access to COD content when they began moneyhatting timed exclusive DLC back in the 360 era? Or they didn’t have a “discreet focus” on removing products from PlayStation when they bought a multiplatform developer group and immediately told them to can development on PlayStation versions?
Anything to pass the buck and play victim. “It’s not our fault guys, Sony keep targeting us!”
Mmhmm.
Sure Phil.
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DJ12
Member
If I mocked up reviews to falaciate myself they would all be 11 out 5 as well.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wait... did he just say, "even if we made great games, shit won't matter nor move the needle?" (paraphrased)
Lord have mercy on the brand.
Lord have mercy on the brand.
Desprado123
Member
So here is the summary and take from the video.
1) Phil admit that they are not going to follow Sony approach with Exclusive and Xbox Games will be more diverse.
2) He knowledge that game was not a early access and it was a priced at $70 so bug, performance and AI issues has no justification.
3) He knows that what Xbox fans are saying on social media like "MS should sell Xbox to another company" or "change the management".
4) He said that Redfall was in the middle of development and as many "Sony Fans" were right that Xbox management has a terrible communication and no studio tried to help them even Xbox management did not care as he admitted himself.
5) He was not really in a happy mood at all. Looked very pissed and upset.
6) He admitted that Redfall IGN preview were running on PC, which everyone kind of know that most of Xbox exclusive run on PC ,therefore, Xbox fan had a expectation of this game running at 60 fps, which he thought this was an error from our side, and now these things will not happen.
Summary is that He knows that his management and his team is totally incompetent that is all i can say by seeing the interview.
1) Phil admit that they are not going to follow Sony approach with Exclusive and Xbox Games will be more diverse.
2) He knowledge that game was not a early access and it was a priced at $70 so bug, performance and AI issues has no justification.
3) He knows that what Xbox fans are saying on social media like "MS should sell Xbox to another company" or "change the management".
4) He said that Redfall was in the middle of development and as many "Sony Fans" were right that Xbox management has a terrible communication and no studio tried to help them even Xbox management did not care as he admitted himself.
5) He was not really in a happy mood at all. Looked very pissed and upset.
6) He admitted that Redfall IGN preview were running on PC, which everyone kind of know that most of Xbox exclusive run on PC ,therefore, Xbox fan had a expectation of this game running at 60 fps, which he thought this was an error from our side, and now these things will not happen.
Summary is that He knows that his management and his team is totally incompetent that is all i can say by seeing the interview.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the last beat is so fucking....
this guy is so clueless.
this guy is so clueless.
Kacho
Gold Member
This is thread worthy
The reviews are late because Xbox sent the review codes late and the review embargo was on launch day. This just reinforces that the game is a 4/10. They could have given a review embargo a week before release but of course that would tank the game's sales and engagement even more.