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[FUBARx89]

Well that was uncomfortable and like anyone understood he can’t bind MS’s future with his words under oath.

Charade over.

This lawyer is pissed!

Eyyy, what have I missed?!

Last I heard it was dinner time.

 

[DForce]

Did the FTC Lawyer really compared third party deals with an Acquisition? Lmao

No.

Phil mentioned third-party deals from Sony and how it makes it harder for them to compete. The FTC lawyer brought up the fact that Phil decided to make games exclusive after the acquisition.

 

[adamsapple]

On this point I don't understand why a new judge wasn't requested on the grounds of conflict of interest?

Well, she did disclose it before hand, the FTC lawyers could have requested a different judge. I think they can do that even now if they want to, but it doesn't look like they're going to.

the FTC's lawyers come across very sloppy even if they have what it seems a good line of reasoning....i dont think they making as strong points as they could have.

The entire middle segment was wasted on talks about metrics.

 

[Warablo]

didn't he pretend that he took a commitment from spencer to ship CoD on Sony Cloud? before the judge cut him off?

Pretty sure they eventually agreed to putting it on PS Now/PS+, but not initially.

Sarah Bond taking over Phil Spencer would be bad. She's a total yes man (woman) corporate suit.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Well, she did disclose it before hand, the FTC lawyers could have requested a different judge. I think they can do that even now if they want to, but it doesn't look like they're going to.

I mean, if the competency of the FTC wasn’t questionable before these proceedings…..

 

[GHG]

Well, she did disclose it before hand, the FTC lawyers could have requested a different judge. I think they can do that even now if they want to, but it doesn't look like they're going to.

All of this is nuts.

This is like all those referees in the Premier League from the greater Manchester area.

Banjo64 will be able to relate.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They can’t deviate from facts, documentation, public statements and previous testimonies.

The whole makes a point.

and it was poorly used of those

 

[RickMasters]

So Phil is saying they are buying Activision but they don't plan on using the I.Ps like COD to grow the Xbox brand but then turn around and have been making games from Bethesda exclusive? Also wanted to make Minecraft exclusive? That's what they been doing but they expect people to believe they will now suddenly not do this with Activision IPs?

Except mincecraft and none of its spin off are exclusive……. Your assertion they “ wanted” minecraft exclusive is as empty as your assertion that they will make COD exclusive.


And let’s be honest…… for 70bn…… you should probably expect everything else to be exclusive. What mattters is that the big one (COD) stays on everything. With the revenue they make from COD they can fund Xbox exclusives and exclusive deals. It will serve them better as a cash cow than as an exclusive .

 

[DForce]

the FTC's lawyers come across very sloppy even if they have what it seems a good line of reasoning....i dont think they making as strong points as they could have.

He did his job by finding a loophole in Phil's under-oath statement.

Even if you think it was very sloppy, it was very effective to counter Phil's statement.

 

[Banjo64]

All of this is nuts.

This is like all those referees in the Premier League from the greater Manchester area.

Banjo64 will be able to relate.

City have no fans so it’s only Trafford Rovers benefitting from that.

 

[Vognerful]

All of this is nuts.

This is like all those referees in the Premier League from the greater Manchester area.

Banjo64 will be able to relate.

Bro if the EPL investigation and handling of Man City case and referees is 10% of CMA, we would have been in better place.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Were there audible groans from the courtroom after the FTC lawyers were stopped by the judge?

 

[Ogbert]

He’s testifying to his future plans as he sits in that chair. If plans change and they can prove he lied today there’s possible trouble. If they can’t prove a lie was made then changed plans mean no trouble. That’s just the way it is on this side.

That just seems.....absurd. As I say, happy to be corrected if this is a point of the US legal system, but the idea that a witnesses' statement only applies to their own intentions effectively renders the hearing meaningless.

In the UK, that would count as a commitment. Obviously the regulatory process is not inherently adversarial, but the decision reached would be based upon the commitment made (Spencer effectively offered a remedy; i.e. CoD will remain multiplat). For MS to turn around four years later and say 'sorry lads, Phil's a dickhead and he wasn't talking for the company' would get you laughed into court very, very quickly'.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Stadia guy wasn't briefed on what side he's on beforehand. He's describing that cloud gaming isn't a substantial separate market.

 

[tryDEATH]

That is technically true, but I think the FTC lawyer meant in terms of Sony qualifying as having access to providing cloud versions of COD games in their service the way various companies have been for the UK market (and I would assume, through automatic free cloud licenses similar to the cloud providers the EC seemingly amended MS's behavioral remedies to include).



You think this is about a simple "gotcha" when the "gotcha" is about a lot of small lies that get spotted and build up into a snowball. Step up to the 4D chess level, stop playing checkers.

It's not just simple gacha's, it the fact that they don't have the definite proof on which they can hang their whole case on. These small "lies" you refer to will be seen by the judge as strategic changes not an overarching nefarious tactic by Xbox and Phil. There's a reason why she asked him under oath to state that CoD will be on PS, which the FTC lawyers tried to address, but was shut down by the judge when the lawyer kept coming back as she understands the nuance the agreement between MS and Sony for the titles as it isn't carte blanche.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Except mincecraft and none of its spin off are exclusive……. Your assertion they “ wanted” minecraft exclusive is as empty as your assertion that they will make COD exclusive.


And let’s be honest…… for 70bn…… you should probably expect everything else to be exclusive. What mattters is that the big one (COD) stays on everything. With the revenue they make from COD they can fund Xbox exclusives and exclusive deals. It will serve them better as a cash cow than as an exclusive .

So it's okay for Microsoft to use their 70% cut off PlayStation sales to fund strategies that can be argued as "aggressive and highly competitive" to hurt PlayStation, but Sony can't use the 30% off COD sales on their own platform to pursue strategies that are in the best interest of funding moves for their console?

If you can't see the double standards here, get a better mirror.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

28 pages since this morning roughly? Christ my dudes. That Minecraft thing is pretty juicy. Anything else of note? Been scrolling quickly through, haven't noticed much else.

 

[Nydius]

Except mincecraft and none of its spin off are exclusive……. Your assertion they “ wanted” minecraft exclusive is as empty as your assertion that they will make COD exclusive.


And let’s be honest…… for 70bn…… you should probably expect everything else to be exclusive. What mattters is that the big one (COD) stays on everything. With the revenue they make from COD they can fund Xbox exclusives and exclusive deals. It will serve them better as a cash cow than as an exclusive .

Oh for fucks sake, this tired bullshit again.

First of all, it's no one's "assertion", it was Spencer's own words. Spencer wanted Minecraft to become an exclusive, but was prevented from doing so by Notch's contract agreements.

Secondly, this "Microsoft won't turn a mega game exclusive, it's a cash cow" nonsense when Starfield, arguably Bethesda's biggest release since Skyrim, was purposely bought and made exclusive, thus leaving all the money they could have gotten from PlayStation sales on the table. If maximizing profit was their goal, they wouldn't have immediately shut down the multiplatform development of Redfall and Starfield. Profit clearly isn't what they give a shit about. Preventing others from competing is.

 

[Topher]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

Oh for fucks sake, this tired bullshit again.

First of all, it's no one's "assertion", it was Spencer's own words. Spencer wanted Minecraft to become an exclusive, but was prevented from doing so by Notch's contract agreements.

Secondly, this "Microsoft won't turn a mega game exclusive, it's a cash cow" nonsense when Starfield, arguably Bethesda's biggest release since Skyrim, was purposely bought and made exclusive, thus leaving all the money they could have gotten from PlayStation sales on the table. If maximizing profit was their goal, they wouldn't have immediately shut down the multiplatform development of Redfall and Starfield. Profit clearly isn't what they give a shit about. Preventing others from competing is.

Indiana Jones too.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It's not just simple gacha's, it the fact that they don't have the definite proof on which they can hang their whole case on. These small "lies" you refer to will be seen by the judge as strategic changes not an overarching nefarious tactic by Xbox and Phil. There's a reason why she asked him under oath to state that CoD will be on PS, which the FTC lawyers tried to address, but was shut down by the judge when the lawyer kept coming back as she understands the nuance the agreement between MS and Sony for the titles as it isn't carte blanche.

You're missing something here. The FTC get those small little lies and contradictions now in order to weave them into a larger point in the days to proceed from here. It's not like they are only getting these admissions now to then forget about them later on.

 

[Venom Snake]

I just can't about how Phil is spinning this 70bn deal lol.

As we all know by now, the reason why MS made such a deal is clear and unambiguous. There is a certain logic at the core of this decision, and no matter how many reasons and promises you are able to stack up on it, everything will find its way back to that logic. Just the very reason why MS fails so hilariously trying to push these twisted narratives proves its existence, not so deep below.

At this stage, it's just a waste of time and resources but they have to continue this show, somehow.

Good shit for someone who's into third-person embarrassment.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

Past tense, indeed.

 

[gothmog]

Does it really matter if the FTC loses this? Seems like it's critical to only Microsoft.

 

[adamsapple]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

 

[Topher]

"There is NO cloud gaming service that has Activision content today"

-Microsoft lawyer

 

[Iced Arcade]

this guy isn't helping them

 

[ManaByte]

 

[gothmog]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

I mean it did for like 5 minutes. Then it got googled.

 

[Kilau]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

In theory.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Topher]

this guy isn't helping them

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Fat Frog is doing the best he can, bro

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Yes because one executive's opinion on one product is 100% transferable as the opinion of others who would view it differently.

Maybe Grubb should just be quiet and stick to getting 50% of his gaming rumors wrong. He's good at that, not much else.

 

[Yoboman]

What is this trial about? Isn't it just to put enough doubt in the judges mind to stop MS from closing over the FTC?

 

[SirKicksalot]

Stadia making damage from beyond the grave lmao

 

[GHG]

It's like they still haven't read the CMA's conclusions.

In the same way that Phil hadn't even read the proposed contracts between Microsoft and Sony for COD.

 

[Dane]

FTC seeing their witnesses claim otherwise

 

[Astray]

What is this trial about? Isn't it just to put enough doubt in the judges mind to stop MS from closing over the FTC?

Trying to get a prelim injunction to force MS to go through the entire CAT appeal.

 

[Topher]

"I don't know what to do with my hands"
-Google dude

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Man the FTC I hope they nail those closing arguments; that will make or break it, for either side.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

And that's a wrap!. The trial resumes on Tuesday, then continues on Wednesday and Thursday (closing arguments).

 

[Topher]

I thought someone was clapping but it was YouTube dude beating his chest

 

[GHG]

Closing arguments aren't until Thursday.

So that's when those of you who expect ace attorney should tune in.

 

[Darsxx82]

Google guy saying Stadia competed with Xbox and PlayStation. lol

I thought the GOOGLE representative was testifying against MS-ABK and not in favor. LOL

 

[Gambit2483]

"I don't know what to do with my hands"
-Google dude

 

[tmlDan]

I thought someone was clapping but it was YouTube dude beating his chest

he's killing me, i can't, he prob doesn't even know what's happening but he keeps making hand gestures and saying 2-0

 

[Yoboman]

Bro said "if"

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I thought someone was clapping but it was YouTube dude beating his chest

Same! THis fucking dude!

 

[Edgelord79]

Why is this thread live? And it’s Friday! Whoooo!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I was gonna make eggrolls today but it's already 6:33...

eh, I guess I'll make them anyway.