Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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Gone said:
Except that the FTC lawyer isn't smart in any way, shape or form.
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Dude.....just stop

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PaintTinJr said:
No surprise Phil didn't see the trap there, and Tom being no better at forming an argument thought it was a win situation for a tweet.

Phil is now on record that he understands the financial situation of how the merger works, and can no longer defer a question as beyond his knowledge, where the the FTC would get that transcript read back to him to discredit him completely.

Only a dumb person would fail to see a smart person intentionally playing dumb and then think they were smart by saying exactly what that person had wanted them to say.
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The lawyer ... probably ..

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Elios83 said:
The same chances your throwaway account will last here :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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The PI will be granted, it's confirmed guys :messenger_grinning_sweat:

But seriously what's up with these people...
they really think they don't stick out with all their accounts with 10 posts in 5 years only attracted by this thread, all parroting the same propaganda with posts like " lololol FTC will be destroyed".
 
Elios83 said:
The PI will be granted, it's confirmed guys :messenger_grinning_sweat:

But seriously what's up with these people...
they really think they don't stick out with all their accounts with 10 posts in 5 years only attracted by this thread, all parroting the same propaganda with posts like " lololol FTC will be destroyed".
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Stealth trolling is a lost art on the young. I blame twitter.
 
jm89 said:
I mean the judge not asking for clarification doesn't change the fact that nothing was guaranteed it would be binding to microsoft, there is alot of stuff that get missed in court hearings that can be clarified later anyway. Regardless i don't even see the console SLC sticking anyway.
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Again, Sony signing the deal would be a binding contract that Microsoft will have to ship CoD on playstation for at least the next 10 years.
 
Gone said:
Again, Sony signing the deal would be a binding contract that Microsoft will have to ship CoD on playstation for at least the next 10 years.
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So you're saying that what Phil stated yesterday has no value?
But the whole thing about yesterday was just that statement under oath.
The rest was just FTC pushing Phil into admitting they wanted to make everything exclusive in the past including Minecraft.
If the legal reality is that Phil Spencer's words can't bind the companies he has only proved his personal good faith and nothing more.
The problem for FTC is if Phil has legally ruled out the possibility to foreclose COD to Playstation. In that case they need to change their arguments focusing on other things like Gamepass getting COD day one and the cloud market like CMA and EU did.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
They were revealed in these proceedings. MS can opt out at any time for any reason at any time.
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Are you talking about the 10 year CoD deal with Sony or the 10 year cloud agreement with Boosteroid etc ? I can't find a reference to the first one.
 
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VinnyG said:
We going in circles

Is today well know that Sony uses its dominant position to corner the competition .. depriving it of games, dlc, special modes all this obviously spending a fraction (or sometimes for free) of what the competition has to spend in order to obtain nothing lasting. We must not hide behind a finger, we know that if it weren't for the money that Ms has any other competitor thanks to sony's cornering would have already declared bankruptcy. Sony is ruthless and Ryan's total mindshare policy is the same. Given the expansion of the video game market which today is bigger than that of music and movies combined, Ms, as a trillion-dollar company, has woken up and has simply decided to invest by treating opponents clearly economically much weaker with the same aggressiveness as the Xbox division has been treated for the past 15 years.
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Microsoft messed itself up with messaging and marketing during the start of xbox one and ps4 no fault of Sony. They lost last generation.
 
Slikk360 said:
Microsoft messed itself up with messaging and marketing during the start of xbox one and ps4 no fault of Sony. They lost last generation.
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According to them, they lost this generation as well. So reward a losing brand with buying up the industry?

Doesn't sound logical.
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
Both the FTC and the CMA are anti-trust regulators. If Microsoft is making anti-competitive moves, these 2 regulatory bodies will counter them. That's literally their (only) job.
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If your only answer to an argument is to shout, then you're already losing the argument.

Some of all competitors practices are uncompetitive and I think all governance of any industry is more productive when it is impartial and holistic.

Shouting in the face of a company serves little purpose.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
lucious lyon wtf GIF


And people argue why some oppose this acquisition when Microsoft has already offered 10-year deals! lmao.
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It's a very normal stipulation to have in a contract and the rationality of an unforseen circumstance can be challenged in court. In other words, if Microsoft wants to use that clause to unilaterally amend the deal and nVidia disagrees, nVidia can sue and judge/jury can decide whether it was reasonable or not.

Your attempt at a gotcha is nothingburger
 
splattered said:
Are you sure they wouldn't have just stood up at the table and said "I'm sorry but this is inadequate" ? Worked for Sony :p
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lol....don't think they have that leverage. And if we think about what Sony did though......Jim Ryan essentially threw that 3 year deal back at Microsoft and is going to end up, at the very least, with a hand-on-the-Bible, sworn oath, in court iron-clad pledge for Call of Duty to be on PlayStation permanently.

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Thirty7ven said:
If a regulator raises competition concerns and MS does nothing but obfuscate, deceive, and be contrarian to facts, how can a regulator argue its points which contradict MS's without looking confrontational?

Sorry but this new narrative of "regulators are being mean to MS" is a bunch of bullshit.

Look at how MS reacted when the CMA moved to block. Friendship was over, went out there and made threats to a nation. And then the talk about them closing the deal anyway and go against the law.
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The narrative for over a decade now has been "everyone is mean to xbox".
This is nothing new at all.
 
Foilz said:
They're business doing business things ensuring their business makes money. Just like Sony is doing the EXACT same thing. No one believes MS is being the saint of the industry but the proposal they've put forth have been good or like by millions.
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Why are you not mentioning the millions who don't like the idea of this deal going through?
Oh, right, it doesn't fit your narrative, so everyone who's against it just ceases to exist.
 
Topher said:
lol....don't think they have that leverage. And if we think about what Sony did though......Jim Ryan essentially threw that 3 year deal back at Microsoft and is going to end up, at the very least, with a hand-on-the-Bible, sworn oath, in court iron-clad pledge for Call of Duty to be on PlayStation permanently.

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Ehhh Jim Ryan probably would have thrown back ANY deal offered by Microsoft. 3 year, 10 year, infinite... Ultimately I think he just doesn't want Microsoft's name attached to any of these studios/franchises. That's realistically all it probably comes down to. Phil didn't put his hand on the bible for Jim, he put it there for Microsoft and the court to show good faith and be transparent that they will be true to their word about Call of Duty. As far as the rest of the franchises go though... Well that's going to be a case by case basis.
 
Topher said:
You have extensive knowledge of contracts at this level?
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What, and you don't ? :messenger_grinning_sweat:

jk, when even my work contact has options to renegotiate, I think it's a safe bet multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts would too.

Either way, that contract is for Nvidia, we don't know if the same terms have been sent to Sony and Nintendo for CoD, which was poppabk poppabk 's original point.
 
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splattered said:
I mean to be fair Nvidia did sign the thing... If they weren't comfortable with it they wouldn't have.
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Yeah, that's fine, but if other companies (e.g., Sony) or regulators (CMA) do not see this as adequate, then that's also equally fair. The CMA called out these contracts specifically as inadequate (if I recall correctly), and I can see why they'd say that.
 
splattered said:
Ehhh Jim Ryan probably would have thrown back ANY deal offered by Microsoft. 3 year, 10 year, infinite... Ultimately I think he just doesn't want Microsoft's name attached to any of these studios/franchises. That's realistically all it probably comes down to. Phil didn't put his hand on the bible for Jim, he put it there for Microsoft and the court to show good faith and be transparent that they will be true to their word about Call of Duty. As far as the rest of the franchises go though... Well that's going to be a case by case basis.
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Except we know that Jim had a positive outlook on the acquisition (or at least not entirely negative) after discussing with Spencer and Kotick so something doesn't add up there. If Jim Ryan had not thrown this whole thing back at Microsoft then I think events that followed would have changed dramatically.

adamsapple said:
What, and you don't ? :messenger_grinning_sweat:

jk, when even my work contact has options to renegotiate, I think it's a safe bet multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts would too.
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If this is so common and generic then why wasn't Microsoft ok with airing it all out in court? They actively fought against it.
 
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