Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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DeepEnigma said:
Every single major regulator had issues with the cloud. Even Canada, NZ, and Australia. They had data provided to MS's end game, only one accepted their typical "fine them later" remedy (EC), even though they agreed with the CMA's concerns.


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Canada never blocks things. They just approved two large telcom companies Rogers and Shaw to combine. All Rogers had to do is sell Off their small Freedom Mobile division which just went to another big telcom company.

Years back they also let Loblaws and Shoppers Drug combine who both were by far the biggest grocery chain and biggest drug chain into one massive company.

Canada has zero bite when it comes to clamping down on acquisitions.
 
Topher said:
If you want to say a politician stepped in and influenced what was supposed to be a supposedly independent government regulatory body then you are making my point for me. Fact is that if this wasn't Microsoft and some small company facing the exact same situation then whatever politician you are making excuses for would not have even bothered. So yeah, very hard to accept any of these naive arguments. What you are basically saying is that politicians rightfully subverted the CMA.......and somehow for the sake of "it's the right thing to do".

I find that laughable.
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I choked on my drink reading it. For the record, Banjo64 Banjo64 was not my drink.
 
Block that shit CMA cmon we need 500 more pages.

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StreetsofBeige said:
Canada never blocks things. They just approved two large telcom companies Rogers and Shaw to combine. All Rogers had to do is sell Off their small Freedom Mobile division which just went to another big telcom company.

Years back they also let Loblaws and Shoppers Drug combine who both were by far the biggest grocery chain and biggest drug chain into one massive company.

Canada has zero bite when it comes to clamping down on acquisitions.
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That's irrelevant to the issues they shared. The point is, they agreed with other bodies about the cloud end-game.
 
Jigsaah said:
Didn't Judge Corley talk about that in her decision as well. Like if I'm not mistaken, she was aware Microsoft were picking winners and losers
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Yes, she even backed up the regulatory bodies by saying "consoles will be extinct" and everyone will be on a sub service (cloud).
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It's a weak argument until it isn't, eh?
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Canada never blocks things. They just approved two large telcom companies Rogers and Shaw to combine. All Rogers had to do is sell Off their small Freedom Mobile division which just went to another big telcom company.

Years back they also let Loblaws and Shoppers Drug combine who both were by far the biggest grocery chain and biggest drug chain into one massive company.

Canada has zero bite when it comes to clamping down on acquisitions.
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Wasn't Canada kinda last minute as well? I remember seeing something about them not getting their decision in on time.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Yes, she even backed up the regulatory bodies by saying "consoles will be extinct" and everyone will be on a sub service (cloud).
If You Say So Shrug GIF


It's a weak argument until it isn't, eh?
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Well it depends, what was the rest of her reasoning. I don't recall.

To live in a world where everything is on Cloud makes me throw up a bit.
 
Jigsaah said:
Well it depends, what was the rest of her reasoning. I don't recall.

To live in a world where everything is on Cloud makes me throw up a bit.
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Start mentally preparing now. It's coming in 10-15 years (tops), even Windows OS will be cloud based with piecemeal features subbed in different tiers. You'll own nothing and be happy.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
Start mentally preparing now. It's coming in 10-15 years (tops), even Windows OS will be cloud based with piecemeal features subbed in different tiers. You'll own nothing and be happy.
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But wouldn't this happen regardless of this deal?

Seems like its a separate issue. If nothing else maybe this accelerates it.

I wonder what could be done to keep this from happening, because I don't believe blocking this deal would do it.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Start mentally preparing now. It's coming in 10-15 years (tops), even Windows OS will be cloud based with piecemeal features subbed in different tiers. You'll own nothing and be happy.
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I don't know if cloud based windows OS will ever be the norm. The issue is companies can't afford to have their whole desktop go down when their internet provider does. So I think that part will take more time.
 
Jigsaah said:
But wouldn't this happen regardless of this deal?

Seems like its a separate issue. If nothing else maybe this accelerates it.

I wonder what could be done to keep this from happening, because I don't believe blocking this deal would do it.
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Yes, it's going to happen regardless. It's the ultimate end-game for software/digital IP owners.

The argument regulators are making, is that one company should not control the keys to the kingdom and consolidate all the 3rd party IPs and control and foreclose into only their sub service when the time is right (for them) and those "10 year" agreements end. Once where they keep all the profits to boot.
 
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mayham2199 said:
I don't know if cloud based windows OS will ever be the norm. The issue is companies can't afford to have their whole desktop go down when their internet provider does. So I think that part will take more time.
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It's already here with Citrix and VMware.

Thin clients with no os, they connect to the cloud to open a vm or download a simple desktop with citrix shortcuts.
 
DaGwaphics said:
Realistically the deadline is probably moot now. ABK and MS have some latitude in deal to make an extension without shareholder approval and with the CMA offering some assurances regarding this new proposal it would be strange for the deal to break up now. I assume MS will push hard to get the agreement with the CMA completed before the start of the FTC proceedings as that increases the difficulty ten fold there, though they don't seem worried about the US at this point.
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They can't do an extension without acti board approval imho, the deadline is firm not conditional.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
It's already here with Citrix and VMware.

Thin clients with no os, they connect to the cloud to open a vm or download a simple desktop with citrix shortcuts.
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Yes and of the many many clients my company provides IT support for I've only ever encountered one company that used it. In fact I'm glad you brought that up because it only furthers my POV that a cloud OS will never be the norm. I setup that company with dummy terminals almost 15 years ago and I've never meet another client that's tried to do the same.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Start mentally preparing now. It's coming in 10-15 years (tops), even Windows OS will be cloud based with piecemeal features subbed in different tiers. You'll own nothing and be happy.
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10 years? No not a chance! For cloud being the only option it will need many more than a decade.
 
mayham2199 said:
Yes and of the many many clients my company provides IT support for I've only ever encountered one company that used it. In fact I'm glad you brought that up because it only furthers my POV that a cloud OS will never be the norm. I setup that company with dummy terminals almost 15 years ago and I've never meet another client that's tried to do the same.
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You can build continuity emergency measures, but they're more popular than you believe, they collectively have close to 20 billion per year of revenue.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Every single major regulator had issues with the cloud. Even Canada, NZ, and Australia. They had data provided to MS's end game, only one accepted their typical "fine them later" remedy (EC), even though they agreed with the CMA's concerns.


See above.
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Which countries prohibited it tho
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
They can't do an extension without acti board approval imho, the deadline is firm not conditional.
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The deal even has verbiage in it about negotiating an extension. Plus, the shareholders that voted for it before would vote for it again with even more fervor than before if the roadblocks have been cleared. The stock sinks like a stone with a failure, that doesn't benefit them.
 
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I can't wait in two years when Microsoft is buying EA or Ubi and the same people here conclude *this* is the only way MS can compete and we have pie charts showing how poorly MS manages a brand that been around for over two decades now, ignoring they were in gaming before.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
You can build continuity emergency measures, but they're more popular than you believe, they collectively have close to 20 billion per year of revenue.
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That might be more popular than I think but they aren't that popular if I'm just not seeing them. My company deals with a lot of law firms and energy companies and they do not use that sort of stuff.

Laptops seems to be the most popular choice everywhere I go. It's just way more convenient than a dummy terminal or a cloud OS. Plus if users have to go back on lockdown for another covid like event all your employees are ready to work remotely.
 
A lot of hand wringing over a cloud issue that virtually all bodies determined wasn't important enough to block. Was it mentioned? Sure. Was weighed as important? Not really. Not by the vast majority.
 
mayham2199 said:
I think even 20 is being gracious. Unless they resolve the issue of companies losing their desktop if the internet goes down there's no way it becomes the norm. Companies would never agree to that when there's no real benefit.
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Yeap and for games too. To be the only option is not on horizon. Internet infrastructure ww is really bad.
 
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