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Romania will donate the Patriot System to Ukraine !

Official news from Romania:

România trimite un sistem de rachete Patriot în Ucraina

România va trimite un sistem de apărare antiaeriană Patriot în Ucraina, a decis joi CSAT în ședință. România are la ora actuală două sisteme Patriot operaționale, al doilea intrând în dotarea armatei române săptămâna trecută. În schimb, țara noastră cere...

m.digi24.ro

 

[Liljagare]

Ukraine war briefing, with Agence France-Presse, Reuters and Associated Press

Ukraine war briefing: Boost to Patriot missile supplies for Kyiv – other countries will have to wait

South Korea, infuriated by Kim-Putin pact, considers arming Ukraine; Zelenskiy orders beefing up of power grid and its defences. What we know on day 849

www.theguardian.com

FT: US to redirect Patriot air defense orders to Ukraine until it has enough to defend itself.

FT: US to redirect Patriot air defense orders to Ukraine until it has enough to defend itself - Euromaidan Press

Systems destined for other countries will be diverted to help Kyiv protect its cities and critical infrastructure, with the US government set to halt all open orders until Ukraine has enough to defend itself from Russia’s air attacks.

euromaidanpress.com

Single Ukrainian Magura drone hit 4 Russian patrol boats at once, Kyiv claims.

Single Ukrainian Magura drone hit 4 Russian patrol boats at once, Kyiv claims

HUR initially reported only two boats had been hit during the attack in Vuzka Bay, which lies at the Chornomorske town on Crimea's western coast.

kyivindependent.com

 

[MisterFalcon]

100%. If going into battle was the only way to keep my family safe then I'd be in the front line without hesitation. If there was a way for me to get my family to safety then I'd do that as well.

Or maybe the best way to keep your family safe is to help the invaders win quickly and provide them with names of potential troublemakers. You and your family will be rewarded with one of the important positions now left vacant, as your family's wellbeing is the only thing to consider.

 

[IDKFA]

Or maybe the best way to keep your family safe is to help the invaders win quickly and provide them with names of potential troublemakers. You and your family will be rewarded with one of the important positions now left vacant, as your family's wellbeing is the only thing to consider.

No, I think fighting and/or becoming refugees would be better than condemning innocent people to death.

That's the last I'll say on the subject. No need to further derail this thread with hypothetical invasion scenarios.

 

[BlackTron]

Or maybe the best way to keep your family safe is to help the invaders win quickly and provide them with names of potential troublemakers. You and your family will be rewarded with one of the important positions now left vacant, as your family's wellbeing is the only thing to consider.

Yeah I wouldn't assume that siding with Russia would be a good way to keep anyone safe. Suddenly I have to worry about trouble from both my new "allies", and my old comrades whose space I plan to take up and now want to kill me.

 

[winjer]

US bans sale of Kaspersky software citing security risk from Russia | TechCrunch

U.S. officials imposed the “first of its kind” ban arguing that Kaspersky threatens U.S. national security because of its links to Russia.

techcrunch.com

The Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security said it imposed the "first of its kind" ban, arguing that Kaspersky threatens U.S. national security and users' privacy because the company is based in Russia.

"Russia has shown it has the capacity, and even more than that, the intent to exploit Russian companies like Kaspersky to collect and weaponize the personal information of Americans. And that's why we are compelled to take the action that we're taking today,"

"U.S. individuals and businesses that continue to use or have existing Kaspersky products and services are not in violation of the law, you have done nothing wrong and you are not subject to any criminal or civil penalties," said Raimondo. "However, I would encourage you in the strongest possible terms, to immediately stop using that software and switch to an alternative in order to protect yourself and your data and your family."

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Mate... you can't just complain that comments are 'underhand' because they disagree with you Like I said, just take it on the chin that you don't understand what's going on properly, and maybe go find out a bit more, and by all means come back to continue the discussion when you do.

After a few weeks of delving into a few things, I can honestly say, yep. You're all right.

I still think we're being screwed on an un imaginable level, though.

Us little folk are being fucked over something chronic.

 

[Liljagare]

Netherlands teams up with another country to supply Ukraine with Patriot missile system.

Netherlands teams up with another country to supply Ukraine with Patriot missile system

The Netherlands and another country are going to supply Ukraine with a Patriot system. Outgoing Defense minister Kajsa Ollongren announced on Friday that they succeeded in collecting parts that can then form a complete system.She would not reveal the other country helping supply the system. She...

nltimes.nl

 

[winjer]

LOL, they just parked a shed on top of a tank.
From the country that claimed to be the second biggest military power in the world.

 

[Gp1]

 

[BlackTron]

After a few weeks of delving into a few things, I can honestly say, yep. You're all right.

I still think we're being screwed on an un imaginable level, though.

Us little folk are being fucked over something chronic.

Glad you took a breather to read up. The little people are getting a pretty good deal according to the arguments you now say are right.

How are they being fucked over exactly?

 

[T-0800]

Glad you took a breather to read up. The little people are getting a pretty good deal according to the arguments you now say are right.

How are they being fucked over exactly?

Probably thinks his local school is being denied funding and is being sent to Ukraine instead. The money being spent on Ukraine is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Liljagare]

61!! artillery systems..

 

[BlackTron]

Probably thinks his local school is being denied funding and is being sent to Ukraine instead. The money being spent on Ukraine is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

That's what I mean, this has been explained to him already, he says we're all "right", except...not. Huh?

 

[FunkMiller]

After a few weeks of delving into a few things, I can honestly say, yep. You're all right.

I still think we're being screwed on an un imaginable level, though.

Us little folk are being fucked over something chronic.

Kudos for doing that

How do you feel that we're being screwed? Did you see the post I made about what percentage of money is going to Ukraine from the US budget? It's such a tiny sum of money, that will result in a better and more prosperous west for all of us, once the fighting is done. Weakening the Russia/China axis will fundamentally change the balance of trade power. The US will benefit more than anyone else from that.

 

[Wildebeest]

LOL, they just parked a shed on top of a tank.
From the country that claimed to be the second biggest military power in the world.

There is some logic to it in that it was effective as some defence against cheap drone attacks, but when the western munitions are flowing it's as useful as a chocolate teapot against them.

 

[MisterFalcon]

In theory, turning a tank into a heavily protected APC is a solid idea. The Canadians did in WW2, Israel did it with captured Soviet tanks and it would be a more effective use of a T-62 hull.
Of course, those countries took off the turret to save a massive amount of useless weight and space to put to better use. Keeping the turret on just makes it look slightly more dangerous at the cost of decreasing every other useful attribute.

 

[Ozriel]

After a few weeks of delving into a few things, I can honestly say, yep. You're all right.

I still think we're being screwed on an un imaginable level, though.

Us little folk are being fucked over something chronic.

The bulk of the US aid money comes from a valuation of U.S. stock being sent to Ukraine.

How many schools and bridges would you convert 15 year old Strykers and HIMARS into?

 

[Artoris]

In theory, turning a tank into a heavily protected APC is a solid idea. The Canadians did in WW2, Israel did it with captured Soviet tanks and it would be a more effective use of a T-62 hull.
Of course, those countries took off the turret to save a massive amount of useless weight and space to put to better use. Keeping the turret on just makes it look slightly more dangerous at the cost of decreasing every other useful attribute.

yes but you can use tanks as mobile artillery

 

[BlackTron]

It is easier to blame problems on external factors like the war than to confront the internal ones that are really screwing people.

 

[FunkMiller]

It is easier to blame problems on external factors like the war than to confront the internal ones that are really screwing people.

Bingo. There are a lot of people in the US who want to convince Americans (and in other western democracies of course) that they're being screwed by money going to Ukraine... when in actual fact internal politics and poor management are far more to blame for problems in the country.

Rule of thumb: anyone screaming about how bad it is to help Ukraine are hiding/obfuscating the real problems being caused by them.

 

[MisterFalcon]

yes but you can use tanks as mobile artillery

The T-62 is the worst possible tank for that. Its gun is too big for the turret which leads to a very slow reload time and having to aim the gun to a specific position to have the room to reload.
And as stated in the video (of course they could be lying to make Russia look bad) the gun is locked into place and the tank had no ammo on board.

I've seen footage of a turtle tank firing its gun so not every one has its ammo removed.But still it removes much of the functionality of a tank to build a shed on it.

 

[Nonehxc]

The bulk of the US aid money comes from a valuation of U.S. stock being sent to Ukraine.

How many schools and bridges would you convert 15 year old Strykers and HIMARS into?

And there has been already two accounting corrections because that U.S. stock was appraised at first as 'spanking shiny new kind for kind todays prices' when, in fact, there are lots things going back 40-50-60 years and unsellable, not because bad, but because buyers really like 'spanking shiny new top of the shizz'.

Which in turn gave a span of +10b between the 'spanking shiny new' and what was really valued at.

 

[BlackTron]

But still it removes much of the functionality of a tank to build a shed on it.

Like for example, the shed knocks out the tank's surveillance tech.

 

[Nonehxc]

South Korea's State Adviser: Russia's transfer of technology to DPRK will lift restrictions on arms transfers to Ukraine

South Korea's National Security Advisor Chang Ho-jin has named the conditions under which Ukraine will receive weapons

mil.in.ua

While all the rest of us enjoy K-Pop, Russia is gonna love the K-Boom.

 

[Lunarorbit]

The bulk of the US aid money comes from a valuation of U.S. stock being sent to Ukraine.

How many schools and bridges would you convert 15 year old Strykers and HIMARS into?

Pretty sure that bridge up by Palin is made from old himars

 

[Gp1]

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I can't. I just can't.

Can anyone explain to me, or try at least, what hitting a drone with a stick would accomplish?

 

[zeomax]

I can't. I just can't.

Can anyone explain to me, or try at least, what hitting a drone with a stick would accomplish?

The blades on the propeller are not protected and you can very easy break them. This is probably what he tried to do.

 

[Liljagare]

When the factory of the Diehl Group in Berlin was burning last month, suspicions that this was no accident were already making rounds. Russian terrorists and their quislings were previously caught in preparing an attack. Apparently, we are getting proof that this was in fact a Russian terrorist attack after all.

A new attack on Kharkiv killed at least one person and wounded 11 on Sunday, according to local officials. Mayor Ihor Terekhov said the city was attacked by a guided bomb and that around half of Kharkiv was without electricity because of the strike.
Armed militants attacked two Orthodox churches, a synagogue and a traffic police post in Russia's southern republic of Dagestan, killing a priest, a church security guard and at least six police officers, Russian state news agency Tass said Sunday. Dagestan's ministry of internal affairs said a group of armed men fired at a synagogue and a church in the city of Derbent, located on the Caspian Sea. Almost simultaneously, reports appeared about an attack on a traffic police post in the capital of the largely Muslim region, Makhachkala. Russian media later reported that five gunmen involved in the attack had been killed.
Ukraine's energy operator Ukrenergo said on Sunday that rolling electricity blackouts would be imposed nationwide throughout Monday because of increased Russian attacks on power stations. Ukraine has had to impose power restrictions since May due to intense Russian attacks. The more severe power outages will start from midnight Sunday and last until midnight Monday, Ukrenergo said
Serbia has sold hundreds of millions of dollars of ammunition to western countries that have likely helped Ukraine's fight against Russia, President Aleksandar Vucic said in an interview with the Financial Times. Russia and Serbia have traditionally been close. But the Financial Times reported on Saturday that exported ammunition that ended up in Ukraine through third countries is estimated at about 800m euros, a figure that the Serbian president acknowledged in the interview was largely accurate.

Ukraine war briefing: Russia blames US for deadly Ukrainian attack on occupied Crimea

Moscow says responsibility for strikes using US-supplied Atacms missiles ‘borne above all by Washington’. What we know on day 852

www.theguardian.com

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[FunkMiller]

When the factory of the Diehl Group in Berlin was burning last month, suspicions that this was no accident were already making rounds. Russian terrorists and their quislings were previously caught in preparing an attack. Apparently, we are getting proof that this was in fact a Russian terrorist attack after all.

I wonder what super harsh reprisals the German government will undertake for this attack on their sovereign soil?

No Christmas card for Putin this year?
A strongly worded letter?
Olaf wagging his finger with a furrowed brow?
Only inviting 90% of their Russian oligarch chums to the annual Bundestag knees up?

 

[winjer]

 

[Liljagare]

 

[Liljagare]

Russia sentences 15-year-old schoolboy to 5 years for criticizing Putin regime and war against Ukraine.

https://khpg.org/en/1608813775

 

[Mattdaddy]

Every time I see those loss numbers, its mind blowing.

My god... 8,000 tanks destroyed.

Google tells me the US only has 5,500 tanks in its arsenal lol.

It says Russia has/had about 12k.

I mean I know theyre pulling old pieces of shit out of storage and throwing them out there... but is there the possibility they actually run out?

Or do they just buy more from China/North Korea or something? I mean damn, cue the THATSALOTOFDAMAGE.gif

 

[Darius87]

Every time I see those loss numbers, its mind blowing.

My god... 8,000 tanks destroyed.

Google tells me the US only has 5,500 tanks in its arsenal lol.

It says Russia has/had about 12k. of tankers

I mean I know theyre pulling old pieces of shit out of storage and throwing them out there... but is there the possibility they actually run out?

Or do they just buy more from China/North Korea or something? I mean damn, cue the THATSALOTOFDAMAGE.gif

their running out before tank loss were in double digits now only single digit and they getting more crappy, the question is will russia runs out of tankers before tanks?

 

[FunkMiller]

Every time I see those loss numbers, its mind blowing.

My god... 8,000 tanks destroyed.

Google tells me the US only has 5,500 tanks in its arsenal lol.

It says Russia has/had about 12k.

I mean I know theyre pulling old pieces of shit out of storage and throwing them out there... but is there the possibility they actually run out?

Or do they just buy more from China/North Korea or something? I mean damn, cue the THATSALOTOFDAMAGE.gif

Welcome to the main reason this shitshow has been allowed to go on for so long. It's basically destroying the Russian military machine and their economy. Stupid cunts.

 

[Mattdaddy]

Welcome to the main reason this shitshow has been allowed to go on for so long. It's basically destroying the Russian military machine and their economy. Stupid cunts.

Yeah good point, basically using Ukraine as a playground to bleed out Russia. Geopolitics are a dark motherfucker.

 

[Tams]

Yeah good point, basically using Ukraine as a playground to bleed out Russia. Geopolitics are a dark motherfucker.

Don't put the onus on us.

Russia could stop all this today. They won't, but they could.

 

[winjer]

Welcome to the main reason this shitshow has been allowed to go on for so long. It's basically destroying the Russian military machine and their economy. Stupid cunts.

I don't think this is planned. The USA doesn't want to destroy Russia and it's economy.
I think this is just pure incompetence and lack of foresight.
Be it in the USA or EU, we don't have the most intelligent, competent leaders. A lot of them are dumb asses.

Just remember that, after the fall of the USSR, the USA and Europe, gave several Billion to Russia and former soviet states, to avoid a collapse of their economies and military.
And this was when Russia and the USSR were a much bigger threat than today.
All that aid was meant to assist with the change to a modern, capitalist system. But it also included aid for agriculture modernization. And the maintaining of state services.
Despite the USSR being a great threat. The thought of a bunch of rogue states, with no rule of law, with nuclear weapons, was much worse.
Today, the same reasoning can be made, that if the Russian federation collapses, we might have a disintegration of any rule of law, in a country with the most nukes in the world.

 

[Liljagare]

Ukrainian air defenders shoot down nearly all Russian targets attacking Ukraine overnight.

Ukrainian air defenders shoot down nearly all Russian targets attacking Ukraine overnight

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

New DeepStateMap update. In the past 24 hours or so, Ukraine has liberated some 4.5 km2 east of Terny (north Donetsk area).

Meanwhile, Russia has taken 0.3 km2 near Vymivka (Siversk direction) and 0.3 km2 at Krasnohorivka.

Additionally, Russia is trying to open up a new salient in northern Kharkiv direction, this time to the northwest of the city. They haven't had much success yet, and only one village (Sotnytskyi Kozachok) is in the gray zone.

Not alot of tank losses, but fever have been reported on the battlefield, and more and more that are seen are the aged T-54, first year of service 1948 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/T-55).

 

[BlackTron]

Welcome to the main reason this shitshow has been allowed to go on for so long. It's basically destroying the Russian military machine and their economy. Stupid cunts.

Don't put the onus on us.

Russia could stop all this today. They won't, but they could.

I don't think this is planned. The USA doesn't want to destroy Russia and it's economy.
I think this is just pure incompetence and lack of foresight.

Regarding this topic, I found this video from a few pages back pretty thought-provoking. But don't assume it's just a long winded video saying "can't bc nukes", gotta hear the guy out.

I agree.

 

[Liljagare]

Russia Loses Last Black Sea Missile Ship – Putin Demands Better Protection.

Russia Loses Last Black Sea Missile Ship – Putin Demands Better Protection

Putin urges increased protection for the fleet against long-range missiles, after Ukraine eliminates another missile ship in Sevastopol, forcing Moscow to move the fleet to mainland Russia.

www.kyivpost.com

 

[Nonehxc]

Fuckin A'

US in talks to send Israel’s Patriot systems to Ukraine

Transfer of up to eight batteries would mark shift in Israel’s relations with Moscow

www.ft.com

That's 8 full batteries, with C&C, Radar and several launcher pods each, I think 64. That can pretty much shield Ukraine and free some to intercept those flying fucks again.

Next news will be, S. Korea is bringing in the goods.

Keep making friends, Putin.

 

[Lunarorbit]

This north Korea situation is interesting. These dudes are gonna get blown the fuck up with the quickness. Russia is gonna attempt to make these bastards do zerg rushes just like all the other ethnic minorities and foreign troops they bring in.

North Korea has no fighting experience. Or any armor to bring that would be better than those heaps that are already being pulverized. I think this could back fire in a huge way for Russia.

This isn't Wagner that's been incorporated into the russian army. This is a foreign country that speaks a completely different language than Russia. Their logistics are so fucked anyway but it could get worse

 

[GutsOfThor]

North Korean soldiers are going to defect en masse lol

 

[winjer]

Russia will probably just use the NK troops as cannon fodder.

 

[Nonehxc]

Russia will probably just use the NK troops as cannon fodder.

NK troops will probably use NK troops as fodder.

 

[winjer]

NK troops will probably use NK troops as fodder.

Also true.
NK soldiers are on a highway to hell.